Bible prophet murdered over words about woman's sex life...your thoughts?

[The Irish Ram]

It was the same Jesus, that hung on the cross at Passover, that upset the tables, and stole nothing, and murdered no one. For the sake of clarity, let's stick to that one. The Bible does...

 

[aris2chat]

The Jews did kill Jesus. They broke their own rules to get it done. The spokesman for the Roman Empire, Pilot, pronounced Christ innocent.
Anon, I am surprised at how sensitive your stomach is. Hope you are feeling better. John was not the one that started Christianity. That would be the disciples. John was the one that leaped in his mother's womb when Christ's mother visited his mother. John and Jesus were cousins. Many prophets of God were killed by man.

Temple found he was guilty of blasphemy but he was sentenced by the roman for crimes against the roman state which he was crucified for.

>>He consistently appropriated titles of divinity reserved only for Caesar to himself. During the Jewish high holy days of Passover, he rode into Jerusalem in open mockery of Caesar’s own entry, complete with kingly fanfare. Even worse, during a moment when thousands of Jewish pilgrims converged on Jerusalem — a time when the threat of seditious rebellion increased exponentially — Jesus interrupted the Empire’s commerce by wrecking the tables of the freelance bankers and merchants at the Temple, brandishing a weapon and making threats about tearing down the religious holy place.

Incitement. Sedition. Terrorist threats.

In the eyes of the Empire’s law, Jesus was guilty indeed of all these. And the Romans executed him for it, as was their law allowed. Even by the Christian scriptures’ own reasoning, Jesus’ execution was not a travesty of justice at all. As Paul writes in Romans, the government is “God’s minister, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil,” and the the government does not bear the sword in vain.<<

Regarding several posts prior to this, starting with chat's, Pilate was the voice of the Roman Empire in that area, and found no guilt in Christ. And that was AFTER Jesus knocked over the corrupt money changers tables and was accused of sedition, and various other crimes. It was on the insistence of the Jewish priests that Rome condemn him also. The Priests broke more than a few of their own laws to find Jesus guilty. Allowing a trial to take place at night< (3 of them). Renting a robe during a trial, refusing to let the accused present witnesses...
The only thing the Romans cared about was to keep peace in the region while it was teaming with pilgrims. If you read the records Nicodemus kept of the proceedings you'll know exactly what was said and by whom. Pilate was not pleased with the priests prior to Christ's execution, and even less so when the news spread that Christ had returned.

Actually scripture does indicate that the Jews couldn't execute without Roman approval, but there is no mention of them requesting the Romans interfere with their stoning of Stephen, for instance.

Finally, there was no revolt by Christ or His followers, no incitement to revolt, and Jesus, the Christ, even prevented Peter from killing a Roman soldier that came to arrest Him. No tax revolt. To the contrary, when asked about the tax burden the Romans had placed on the Jews, Jesus told them to give Caesar what belongs to Caesar, while holding a coin with the likeness of Caesar on it in His hand. Bill got more than a few things wrong.
Rome wanted status quo. The Temple priests wanted Christ dead. The Romans wanted the priests to settle down and if it meant killing a Jew, then so be it. No big deal to Rome. Very big deal to the Pharisees
.

and the gospels were picked for the bible by what emperor??? You think there was not political whitewashing for the gentile audience?
Pilate was recalled to rome for excessive brutality, you really think he cared if Jesus was innocent or guilty?
Philo of Alexandria portrayed Pilate as a monster and Tacitus view as much the same. Eusebius and Orosius suggest he was ordered to commit suicide by Caligula. No exactly glowing descriptions.
Even the Nicene Creed claims Jesus was killed by Pilate. This was not a nice man with an ounce of empathy for a single jew.

 

[HaShev]

It was the same Jesus, that hung on the cross at Passover, that upset the tables, and stole nothing, and murdered no one. For the sake of clarity, let's stick to that one. The Bible does...

See you have the Christs confused because this image called Jesus is what you were taught, but that is not Historically correct.
The one sentenced at Passover was Yeshu son of Mary dated 100bc. Punishments on a high holiday are to rare to be coincidence, the historical accts and the description is undeniable the passover christ is the 100bc figure. He was stoned and hanged not crucified on Passover. This is why the NT says slew and hanged (see source below)*
but your oral traditions mixing many christs into one new figure will has 2 hometowns, 2 jobs, 2 blames, 2 sentencings span many eras, 2 ages he lasted till death one saying 33 John saying closer to 50 (cause Theudas died in 45ad the pne closer to 50) new birthdate, new name historical figures don't fit the eras etc.

*Source: Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree" Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree" Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree" 1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree" Galatians 3:13 "Christ... being made a curse upon us... Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"
Under Rabbinic Law, criminals are to be stoned (John 8:3-11.) The 'Jesus' mythos was stoned (slew) and then hung on a tree -- which is what the Christanic mythologies say.
The cross is a later addition(300ad) which has been soundly debunked.

additional evidence: research the date Lysanias died in 35bc, Herod 4bc so both can't be in the accounts of an AD christ. The evidence through the widows mite story a Jannaeus coin not a Herod coin. Herod never killed babies the fleeing towards Egypt story comes from Yeshu fleeing with his Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parrachya who is accurately dated as is king Jannaeus in the 100bc era who they fled towards Egypt during the revolt. When he came back he brought forbidden maggis sorcery and underworld teachings that got him sentenced, Just like some states would sentence Benny Hinn for his scam act which is why he had to move.
Additional evidence; Yehuda and Theudas are mentioned as other Christs in book of acts, but gets their death sequences mixed up, but why would they twist the times unless to confuse or hide something. NT says Theudas 45ad died before Yehuda 6bc. How do you mess that up?