BHO Plan has worked to perfection

[8537]

He has not returned it to the tax payer either
until it goes back into the US treasury it is gone
65 billion of it he cannot any way
thats what the UAW still owes us
ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
This is the only real cash we have got back form GM
U.S. Treasury Receives $11.7 Bln From GM Stock Sale
Adding Up the Auto Bailout: $80 Billion and Growing - TIME

You are mistaken. Excess TARP funds weren't moved out of the general fund. The money isn't placed at the discretion of Treasury until it is needed.

So what your saying is the 350 billion that Obama has been given is not being held against our total debt?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Only the portion that was spent.

And the program stopped distributing funds last October so no more will be spent from it.

 

[JRK]

The reason nobody can take anything you say seriously is because you can't even get your numbers right. Bush only added $2.5 trillion to the deficit? You may as well have said that he ran a balanced budget through all eight years, because both are flat out lies.

The Bush Deficit, the Clinton Surplus and TARP by Gregory Hilton | The DC World Affairs Blog
that information speaks for its self
GWB without intrest added about 2.5 trillion
You may not like the truth, but calling me a liar does not change it
do you have a link that does not include the intrest from the past?
no
because the information Inprovided is the same

I love the way you manipulate numbers for your own benefit. In the past, you have specifically argued that Clinton never had a surplus because the debt increased in 2008. Then you turn around and use the surplus for 2008 and credit it to Bush, lmao. First of all, Bush, nor any president, does not get credit for the budget their first year because the fiscal year begins during the prior administration. Bush's numbers need to be calculated from 2001 through 2009, not 2000 through 2008. Secondly, ignoring interest payments is a complete joke and you know it. You are just playing with numbers to make things look much better than they are. Instead of being honest, and admitting that Bush increased the deficit by approximately $5 trillion, you use fuzzy math to reduce the number in half. But when it comes to Obama or any other Democrat, you will manipulate your numbers in the opposite way. This is why I say that anything you say is an absolute joke.

I have not manipulated anything
I have supplied links to deficits in 2 different ways of looking at them
I never claimed GWB should have got credit for 01,
and as far as 09 numbers, GWB did not sign that budget, BHO did. I never claimed that some portion of the 09 numbers should not have been held against GWB in fact the very first thread within this topics is very clear stating that
I have also supplied links to back that up. DO YOU READ ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU WRITE?
DID YOU NOT READ THIS?
Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures
President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

CLARIFICATION: Of course, this Washington Post graphic does not perfectly delineate budget surpluses and deficits by administration. President Bush took office in January 2001, and therefore played a lead role in crafting the FY 2002-2008 budgets. Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for the FY 2009 budget deficit that overlaps their administrations, before President Obama assumes full budgetary responsibility beginning in FY 2010. Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years.

I have not done anything but supply accurate information that you do not read, you assume BS and you try to spin it

 

[JRK]

You are mistaken. Excess TARP funds weren't moved out of the general fund. The money isn't placed at the discretion of Treasury until it is needed.

So what your saying is the 350 billion that Obama has been given is not being held against our total debt?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Only the portion that was spent.

And the program stopped distributing funds last October so no more will be spent from it.

TARP due to end, but funds to live on - MarketWatch
how much of this 255 billion is Obama's?
AIG is the only one I am aware of that GWB had any part in other than the first bunch that GM and Chrysler got 9that was suppose to be all they got)

In a memo to employees and shareholders, Chrysler said it would receive $4.0 billion of initial funding from the TARP.

Chief Executive Rick Wagoner of GM said he was confident the company wouldn't need more than the $18.0 billion in loans it has asked for to survive a worst-case scenario.

This was the lies that Bush was told back in December 2008
it made it up to about 75 billion with GMAC

GM And Chrysler Covered By TARP - Forbes.com

 

[8537]

So what your saying is the 350 billion that Obama has been given is not being held against our total debt?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Only the portion that was spent.

And the program stopped distributing funds last October so no more will be spent from it.

TARP due to end, but funds to live on - MarketWatch
how much of this 255 billion is Obama's?
AIG is the only one I am aware of that GWB had any part in other than the first bunch that GM and Chrysler got 9that was suppose to be all they got)

In a memo to employees and shareholders, Chrysler said it would receive $4.0 billion of initial funding from the TARP.

Chief Executive Rick Wagoner of GM said he was confident the company wouldn't need more than the $18.0 billion in loans it has asked for to survive a worst-case scenario.

This was the lies that Bush was told back in December 2008
it made it up to about 75 billion with GMAC

GM And Chrysler Covered By TARP - Forbes.com

Bush spent all 350B of the first TARP traunch. The allocations are public information.

Obama spent much less than 350B of the second traunch.

And in the end, the total bill for the program is expected to be much less than 100B. Worth it? Maybe so or maybe not.

 

[JRK]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Only the portion that was spent.

And the program stopped distributing funds last October so no more will be spent from it.

TARP due to end, but funds to live on - MarketWatch
how much of this 255 billion is Obama's?
AIG is the only one I am aware of that GWB had any part in other than the first bunch that GM and Chrysler got 9that was suppose to be all they got)

In a memo to employees and shareholders, Chrysler said it would receive $4.0 billion of initial funding from the TARP.

Chief Executive Rick Wagoner of GM said he was confident the company wouldn't need more than the $18.0 billion in loans it has asked for to survive a worst-case scenario.

This was the lies that Bush was told back in December 2008
it made it up to about 75 billion with GMAC

GM And Chrysler Covered By TARP - Forbes.com

Bush spent all 350B of the first TARP traunch. The allocations are public information.

Obama spent much less than 350B of the second traunch.

And in the end, the total bill for the program is expected to be much less than 100B. Worth it? Maybe so or maybe not.

Agreed
To me the bank bailout was a no brainer
this is why Obama voted for it and GWB signed it

 

[candycorn]

The left on this message board cannot deal in reality, nor can they ever debate these issues with facts

I do not understand this

To claim the deficit we face today should not be judged by policy is nuts, its a hack job and I never would have believed it to be true

Just a question:

Where was the tax increase to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Just a question
Where was the tax increase to bail out the UAW?
the failed stimulus?
the 350 billion of tarp that Obama refuses to give back?
to fund Obama-care?

And for the record
I have become a supporter of a vat tax to support the one war we have left

There is a huge difference in defending this country and 1 trillion dollars in slush funds for unions and the Dem party

Yeah...Afghanistan was a REAL threat...as was Iraq. Dumbass.

Alot of the people who kept their jobs are not union people; car dealers, salesmen, truck drivers, etc...

So there was no tax increase to pay for the wars, you admit that.

Obama wants to raise taxes on the richest Americans to pay for his programs you dumbass. None of your boys in Congress want that of course.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfVYjRnxys]‪Bradley Whitford 2004 Mock Presidential Ad‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[candycorn]

In the world Obama brought to the white house his mission was and continues to be 2 things
1) Grow the size of goverment
2) Perfect the the role of the taking wealth from those who earn it, and give it to those who do not

When he took office the housing sector along with the UAW had collapsed. The housing sector collapse had threatened to bring down the financial sector.
The tax payer and 250 billion dollars prevented the later.

Obama then took advanatge of the fear people where seeing right in front of there eyes. The jobs that where lost when the banking industry was collapsing and the loss of the housing sector he used to increase the size of goverment by trillions of printed money knowing full well every thing he was doing would do little.
With that accomplished he added another huge amount of debt yet to be seen with his massive goverment takeover of the health care sector

Now its time to end with perfection his plan, a plan that was allways about the 2 things I started this Topic with.
The redistrubution of wealth being the later.
We have no choice now but to tax the wealth of those who are taxed to much now.

Obama must be stopped
We must vote him out in 2012
Take a hard look at what he has done and ask your self what giving the UAW 80 billion did for the creation of jobs?
What did the takeover of our health care system do to create jobs? A take over that was done with no way to fund it, how many jobs did it create
We know his 500 + billlion dollar slush fund he called a job stimulus has failed. We have lost close to 6 million jobs since 2008

Now we are facing a debt crises that cutting spending will not be enough, not enough when real UE is cose to 20%
Obama and his last oblective now is within his grasp and while the press and Obama still blame GWB
A blame that if any of us would just stop for 1 minute and look at these events a blind man would come to sse that BHO has worked his magic to perfection by not allowing the housing crises go to waste


Think about it

Gee, could you imagine just how illiterate this boob sounded BEFORE the editing?

He saved the auto industry; no serious economist thinks differently,
Bush was the President who expanded the size of government beyond the pale,
Healthcare wasn't "taken over", it's nothing like that at all,

True, politicians never let a crisis go to waste. Which is why we are in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... The cost is billions per month, the gain? Minimal at best.

Boob?
why is it the liberal mind has so much anger in it?

Why is it your mind can't figure out how to craft a sentence?

The american tax payer bailed out the UAW, Obama has saved nothing

Wow, you sure do hate having a black man as your county's leader.

Do you think people would stop buying cars because GM went chapter 7?

No, they'd just buy more foreign models hurting our trade imbalance even further.
Those who could afford it that is. Those who would lose their jobs--you know...Americans---would likely not be able to afford the rice rockets.

Health care has not been taken over? how do you know?

I work in the field.

Your democrats in congress voted to defend this country after 9-11 also. Now you may not agree with that choice
but that choice was Bi partisan
Senate approves Iraq war resolution - CNN

Good for them...of course the intelligence they based their vote on was cooked, cleaned, and fried before hand. Or do you deny that well-known truth as well?

See how simple this debate thing is?

It would have to be simple for you to understand it.

why is it you libs attack the messenger and ignore the message?

have a good day

Congratulations on correctly spelling 4 words in a row there. Nice job.

 

[candycorn]

No one is talking specifics, its all "smoke and mirrors". The simple question is "when will SS & Medicare become insolvent"? Also, what percent of what we spend will we be borrowing? (currently 40%)

I really think we need to start with a clean sheet of paper and go expenditure by expenditure in the next fiscal year.

That would include removing SS and Medicare from the general pool
do you agree?

Yes.

 

[JRK]

Just a question:

Where was the tax increase to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Just a question
Where was the tax increase to bail out the UAW?
the failed stimulus?
the 350 billion of tarp that Obama refuses to give back?
to fund Obama-care?

And for the record
I have become a supporter of a vat tax to support the one war we have left

There is a huge difference in defending this country and 1 trillion dollars in slush funds for unions and the Dem party

Yeah...Afghanistan was a REAL threat...as was Iraq. Dumbass.

Alot of the people who kept their jobs are not union people; car dealers, salesmen, truck drivers, etc...

So there was no tax increase to pay for the wars, you admit that.

Obama wants to raise taxes on the richest Americans to pay for his programs you dumbass. None of your boys in Congress want that of course.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfVYjRnxys]‪Bradley Whitford 2004 Mock Presidential Ad‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]​

Dumb ass?
thats about a 1st grade response to a very complicated situation

Did the democrats do anything to pay for the wars? they had both houses from 07-2011

Dumb ass again?so the rich who pay taxes all ready, like I do (I am not rich) are the problem?
Dumb ass?

And as far as non union people keeping there jobs
Why do you think people would have stopped buying cars because the UAW was no more?

You think we could have supported those places that made the parts for those cars with maybe a couple of billion? until they switched over to making parts for Ford, Honda, yota?

The ones that would have picked up the slack? that are built right here in the United States?

Dumb ass?
really
I would be embarrassed right about now

 

[JRK]

Gee, could you imagine just how illiterate this boob sounded BEFORE the editing?

He saved the auto industry; no serious economist thinks differently,
Bush was the President who expanded the size of government beyond the pale,
Healthcare wasn't "taken over", it's nothing like that at all,

True, politicians never let a crisis go to waste. Which is why we are in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... The cost is billions per month, the gain? Minimal at best.

Boob?
why is it the liberal mind has so much anger in it?

Why is it your mind can't figure out how to craft a sentence?


Wow, you sure do hate having a black man as your county's leader.


No, they'd just buy more foreign models hurting our trade imbalance even further.
Those who could afford it that is. Those who would lose their jobs--you know...Americans---would likely not be able to afford the rice rockets.


I work in the field.


Good for them...of course the intelligence they based their vote on was cooked, cleaned, and fried before hand. Or do you deny that well-known truth as well?

See how simple this debate thing is?

It would have to be simple for you to understand it.

why is it you libs attack the messenger and ignore the message?

have a good day

Congratulations on correctly spelling 4 words in a row there. Nice job.

Candy corn what happened to you?
And what words I have I spelled in correctly?

Race card, you pulled out the race card?
Are you kidding me?
Obama is part white and I do not hold that against him candy corn. GROW UP

And as far as working in the medical field
I did not know Obama-care had even started yet except some tax increases. You got a vision into the future?

You went from a person I respected to a left wing hack with zero class in 2 threads

WHY?