Bernanke Deficit Warning

You're telling a lib to "man up"?

Ain't gonna happen.. they're the neediest, most pathetic bunch on the planet. It's all gimme, gimme, gimme. Fucking children.
 
Obama now at 53% disapproval rating.... 40% STRONGLY disapprove.

Yeah.. sinking ship for sure. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
I am more worried about the lack of national health insurance.

We pay twice as much per capita for healthcare as the rest of the industrialized world, because the insurance companies own Congress. If we could bring down healthcare costs, and increase taxes on the rich to the level they were at when Clinton was in office, we could solve the deficit.
1. Healthcare can be reformed without spending an additional penny.

2. The hundreds of healthcare regulations need to be reformed, and we're already paying several hundred Congressmen to do just that.

3. This is because the current money we are spending on healthcare is wasted on systemic inefficiency. We need to whip our healthcare system into shape, not feed it more government-funded doughnuts.

Wouldn't it be nice if all that was addressed even a decade ago. We'd be all finished with this particular crisis by now.
 
Debt and Deficits

A Brief History
Jimmy Carter (D) held the office of president from1977 to 1980, at the end of which the debt stood ~$ 1 trillion. Ronald Reagan (R) and George Bush Sr. (R) inherited both the debt and a large suite of ‘sacred cow’ social programs, along with an economy which went up and down over the twelve years they spent breaking the Soviet Union. Like Carter their conditions were far from optimal. Carter faced an OPEC embargo which smashed the American economy, and Reagan and Bush labored in an attempt to defeat he Soviets without bloodshed by tempting them to bankruptcy with an arms race. Bill Clinton faced neither of these difficulties. He reaped a peace dividend, downsizing and economizing the military to an extent impossible for his two Republican predecessors. He also was blessed with the most vibrant economic boom ever seen anywhere in the globe. A boom caused, not by any policy, but by the internet revolution. George Bush Jr. (R) saw the economy crumble as he entered office; less than a year later the events of 9/11 pushed him into war and he carried the nation with him for seven more years. In his first year Barak Obama has seen the debt soar to ~$12 Trillion. The GDP for 2008 was, according to the IMF, slightly more than $14.4 trillion.

A Word of Warning
It does not matter if Clinton could have paid down the debt during the years of the internet boom. It does not matter if Reagan and Bush Senior’s bloodless victory over the Soviets was made Pyrrhic by the cost. It does not matter if Bush Jr. was an idiot or if Barak Obama is surrounding himself with ideologues hostile to the American way of life. The ONLY thing that matters at this juncture is reducing the debt before the IMF takes over and reduces the US to a second tier economy.

The Budget, Debt and What Might Be Done
Break the budget into several sections; Pork, Interest, General Operating Expenses, Social Security, Welfare and Other Entitlement Programs, Defense, NASA/Research, and the War on Drugs. Each section adds to the total budget and the current budget is too much, increasing the Debt faster than GDP growth, so each section must be examined for possible reduction. These divisions are not those typically used, but are chosen more for an eye to dividing how they might be reduced.
Pork could, in principle, be completely eliminated. If Obama is truly serving the interests of the USA he can, and should, refuse to sign a budget with a single identifiable bit of pork. Each congressman and senator should be willing to do the same, but Obama can simply demand an open vote of any override should he use such a veto. He might try the catchy slogan “The Pork Stops Here.” The voters should firmly indicate that they will toss anyone out who overrides a “No Pork” veto.
Interest on existing debt cannot be changed by any appreciable amount, it is what it is. Only by reducing the debt can future budgets have lower interest.
General Operating Expenses is a catchall for those costs not covered elsewhere. Like any company in trouble, the employees might get a pay cut. This is doubly true for Senators and Congressmen who should be first in line to volunteer, as part of their love and concern for this great republic.
Social Security is a tricky issue. The government has spent decades collecting a specific tax to fund Social Security; despite their raiding those funds to create the illusion of lower deficits, the money was supposed to be set aside for retirees. Retirees who are often too old or decrepit to easily get decent jobs. Leave it for a later examination. Phasing down Social Security may prove necessary, and reducing Medicare/Medicaid is vital.
Welfare and Other Entitlement Programs should be informed the teat has run dry. Potentially more damning, they don’t work; cancel them entirely.
Defense can be slashed to the bone. Mothball ships, demobilize troops, and pull all the remainder back to US territory.
NASA/Research is another tricky portion. In general any society which falls behind technologically suffers serious effects. The US, despite deficiencies in primary education, still leads the world in research to an extent that with only ~5% of the global population we have ~25% of the GDP, and, at $47,000, one of the higher GDP per capita. Fortunately the total NASA/Research budget is moderately small relative to these others, so it might be possible to save our future while still making the budget work.
War on Drugs expenditures represent another failed program and should be eliminated along with welfare.


Now look at just how much there was to save in the 2008 budget
Defense 613 Billion
Social Security 612 Billion
Medicare and Medicaid 682 Billion
“Other Mandatory” 303 Billion
Interest 249 Billion
Other Discretionary 520 Billion
Try cutting down to Saves
Defense 100 Billion 513 Billion
Social Security 612 Billion 0
Medicare and Medicaid 500 Billion 182 Billion
“Other Mandatory” 200 Billion 103 Billion
Interest 249 Billion 0
Other Discretionary 200 Billion 320 Billion
Total Saved 1.118 Trillion
Total Expenses 1.861 Trillion ~13% of GDP
Tax 2.861 trillion ~ 20% of GDP and reduce the debt to 13.4 trillion.
Failure to control the budget may also tempt some states into seceding in order to escape the onrushing economic meltdown. Attempting to defeat them would as surely bankrupt our nation as attempting to defeat the USA ruined the USSR. The above example was not meant as an outline, rather as an indication of how difficult paying the current best has become.

On Phasing Down Social Security
Stop all payments to Social Security, replace the current OASI with general tax (perhaps one which is not regressive). Freeze all benefits. Anyone who has not yet paid into Social Security will never receive benefits. Make the cost part of the general budget. This will prove a heavy burden on those retiring twenty years from now as they will receive severely curtailed benefits but will not have much chance to earn after the monkey of debt is off the public’s back, but that is the only option except;
Cut off social security now. Completely. Do the same with Medicare/Medicaid.[ The people who are retired and living on OASI checks are the ones who routinely allowed the politicians to spend from that fund. None put their foot down to stop them. Do that and the above sample could save an extra 1.12 trillion allowing the debt to be eliminated that much faster and ending the specter of “under supported future expenses.”
Before anyone cries “but what happens to all those old people?” let me remind everyone that long before there existed Social Security there were old people. They worked, lived with their children or lived off accumulated savings. Presumably that is what will happen to these old people. After all they asked for ti by reelecting politicians who routinely overspent.

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You DO realize I hope, that much of that is way too radical. For starters, plenty of jobs would be available almost overnight just for sanitation workers whose new responsibility would be shoveling dead bodies off the streets and removing old people from tenement buildings who starved to death.

You worry about the IMF taking over the monetary system? By depleting our defense as suggested, that places the United States in such a vulnerable non-defensive position that Outer Mongolia could invade and win. And don't think for a moment that our real enemies aren't just patiently waiting for such vulnerability.
 
Perhaps you could remind him of this before he continues creating multiple new trillion-dollar programs?

Just sayin...

I am more worried about the lack of national health insurance.

We pay twice as much per capita for healthcare as the rest of the industrialized world, because the insurance companies own Congress. If we could bring down healthcare costs, and increase taxes on the rich to the level they were at when Clinton was in office, we could solve the deficit.

Cue....Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey circus music...your a broken record

adding an additional 800 billion dollars+ of debt will solve the deficit how?

Kinda like cutting taxes and increasing the debt will solve the deficit.

Both are pretty silly.
 
Actually Obama is the only one who can solve this mess.

Only Nixon could have gone to China.

Yeah, sure. Obama is "the one". Keep drinking that Kool Aid. :lol:

He is the president of the United States.

Only the president and the Congress can cut spending and raise taxes.

You are really living in fantasy land. Obama is not planning on cutting spending, he is increasing it at the fastest pace in history.
 
Looks like it's CYA time at the Fed. :eek:

Yup, Bernanke is on record, and NOW can't be held accountable. :lol:

Bernanke is not responsible for the fiscal deficit. And he is correct on the deficit.

History will judge whether or not the Fed and the government did the right thing.

In the meantime, I own a lot of gold.
Bernanke and his Fed toadies are responsible for monetizing the debt.

In case you haven't heard, the Fed is buying up T-bills in the secondary market, after more or less promising that they weren't going to monetize the debt.

I'd get some junk coin, too....You're going to need something to buy necessities when the USD crashes.
 
You DO realize I hope, that much of that is way too radical. For starters, plenty of jobs would be available almost overnight just for sanitation workers whose new responsibility would be shoveling dead bodies off the streets and removing old people from tenement buildings who starved to death.
The same people who will certainly starve to death if the IMF shuts down the US government and cancels internal debt (Social Security) payments to cover foreign debt. Unless they have family, savings, a church charity program or the ability/will to work.
You worry about the IMF taking over the monetary system? By depleting our defense as suggested, that places the United States in such a vulnerable non-defensive position that Outer Mongolia could invade and win. And don't think for a moment that our real enemies aren't just patiently waiting for such vulnerability.
Some facts
Outer Mongolia has neither navy nor ports. Until they take some (from China or Russia) they are NOT a threat of any sort.
$100 billion buys a lot of coastal defense. Attack is far more expensive
Luxembourg has a standing army of 800, but no one is invading them and their GDP per capita is higher than the USA. Talk about a country just inviting invasion, heck it happened twice in the first half of the 20th century. Oh wait that was because they were between Germany and France, my bad.

If we cannot reduce Social Security, or Medicare, where can we get the money? Carter certainly spent very little on defense, and no one invaded then.
 
He is the president of the United States.

Only the president and the Congress can cut spending and raise taxes.
Perhaps you could remind him of this before he continues creating multiple new trillion-dollar programs?

Just sayin...

I am more worried about the lack of national health insurance.

We pay twice as much per capita for healthcare as the rest of the industrialized world, because the insurance companies own Congress. If we could bring down healthcare costs, and increase taxes on the rich to the level they were at when Clinton was in office, we could solve the deficit.

Only a dopey lib would want to pay more for a shittier service. :eusa_whistle:

And make everyone else pay also.
 
Obama will. he'll increase deficit spending until we have to increase taxes or go bankrupt. It's his version of the Kobayashi Maru.....:clap2:

Actually Obama is the only one who can solve this mess.

Only Nixon could have gone to China.

Yeah, sure. Obama is "the one". Keep drinking that Kool Aid. :lol:

What I think he's trying to say is Obama has the credibility with the liberal base to propose reforms to Medicare and Social Security (you know, the bulk of the budget). Of course, that rests of the assumption that the Republicans won't turn on a dime and argue against their own positions just to spite Obama.
 
Perhaps you could remind him of this before he continues creating multiple new trillion-dollar programs?

Just sayin...

I am more worried about the lack of national health insurance.

We pay twice as much per capita for healthcare as the rest of the industrialized world, because the insurance companies own Congress. If we could bring down healthcare costs, and increase taxes on the rich to the level they were at when Clinton was in office, we could solve the deficit.

Only a dopey lib would want to pay more for a shittier service. :eusa_whistle:

And make everyone else pay also.

Pay more for shittier service? That's the system we have right now.
 
Right....America's health care services are sooooo bad that Canadians are flooding hospitals and clinics in Seattle, Minneapolis and Buffalo to get procedures on demand. :rolleyes:

Want to do a comparison of the number of Canadians that come to America to medical care to the number of Americans that go to India and other places in Asia for care? Not that it's a relevant point, since no one is proposing we adopt a system like Canada's (though Canada's outcomes are just as good as ours at half the cost).
 
Right....America's health care services are sooooo bad that Canadians are flooding hospitals and clinics in Seattle, Minneapolis and Buffalo to get procedures on demand. :rolleyes:

Want to do a comparison of the number of Canadians that come to America to medical care to the number of Americans that go to India and other places in Asia for care? Not that it's a relevant point, since no one is proposing we adopt a system like Canada's (though Canada's outcomes are just as good as ours at half the cost).

if the outcomes were just as good and half the cost, EVERYONE would be saying Canada's system should implemented here.
 

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