Before Social Security???

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    What did people do before the Devil's spawn, in the person of FDR, established an expectation of universal dependence upon the government by signing the Social Security Act of 1935?

    I don't recall ever seeing in the history books any mass paupers graves or a plethora of retired persons walking the streets as "bag" people. I am not talking of the Great Depression era but the times before that; how in the world did people retire and manage to survive without governmental assistance?

    If people actually saved for their retirement back then or families actually took helped take care of their retired members, what great societal changes occured that ended those practices?

    How did Americans become so dependent upon the government for their retirement when that dependency did not exist before 1935? Did the members of society suddenly experience mass stupidity and quit saving or planning on their own?

    Now, when we are threatened with the collapse of the Social Security system, there is a great gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands and cries of "What will we do?". Whatever happened to the great American attribute of self-sufficiency and of taking care of one's own?

    I am sure that, in 1935 when FDR was promising everyone milk and honey, they thought that he and the Democrats had at last helped all Americans find those streets paved with gold and that everyone would now be taken care of by the Federal government.

    Did they also, at the same time, forget that there is no such thing as a free lunch? Or, did the Democrats, like the Pied Piper, lead America down the path that would destroy individual self-sufficiency and foster instead eternal dependence upon the government?

    Was this supposed to be our ticket to the promised land?
     
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    Gee, I thought I was the only one who thought FDR was the reason the United States became such a lazy, good for nothing paradise.
     
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    FDR was a commie loving SOB that got us involved in a war we should not have been in and then gave half of Europe to the commies!!!! Not to mention the path to ruination he started the US of A down!!!!
     
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    Now hold on a minute there. Japan attacked us, so surely we should have at least gone after them. Also, most of the European countries were getting their asses kicked by Germany and if the US didn't do something who would have? The Russians even though Stalin didn't think Germany would attack when they did and did not have them ready? Yes, they pushed back the Germans and won, but they lost so many people and they could have easily lost.
     
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    this all sounds like the start of a huge disinformation campaign designed to make social security look like the plan of the evil socialist party in america that has silently invaded and taken over the democratic party. :tinfoil: :tinfoil: :tinfoil:
     
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    While it is quite clear that FDR was a socialist and started the Demos down the current path they are on i'm quite sure he is turning in his grave at the thought of them supporting pole smokers and child killers. As for WWII we were attacked, if there is a war we most definitely should've been in it was that. That argument is more suited for WWI or maybe Vietnam although I think Vietnam was more of a loss pinned on politicians rather than the military.
     
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    I don't like a lot of the Democrats, but I never understood why so many people vilified FDR. He seemed like a good president to me and, like you said, he would be turning over in his grave about a lot of the shit that's going on now.
     
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    I liked FDR. He got the economy going again and yes, he set up many social programs to provide gov't assistance, so I can see why republicans would hate him.

    WWII is the only war I think we should have been in in the last century. Which is worse, a Third Reich, or a Europe controlled by the USSR? We'd have to deal with him sometime. And the commies weren't so bad, if they hadn't existed, we may never have been to the moon, or weapon systems would be crap, and technology in general would be way behind.
     
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    I've got nothing against the man, personally. But his socialist agenda has hurt this country. With the further degedation by the following democratic presidents, there seems to be no end to it.

    Unfortunately, FDR weakened all that was good about this country. His motives might have been good but that doesn't mean the results have been. Also, he may be upset about how widespread the liberalism has become - but, and this is an important but - de should not have formed the snowball with which the decent people in this country are being buried underneath (socialism).
     
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    Ok, Here is your history lesson. Social Security was passed because of the rampant poverty rate amongst senior citizens. Most were forced into what they called "County Homes" which were essential poor farms. Families did what they could, but seniors had nothing to fall back on. Social Security was designed to provide seniors with a "pension" so that they could continue to live at home. The system was set up so that workers would pay into the fund and then at retirement age recieve their pensions. Social Security was supported far more than most New Deal programs; even Conservative Republicans voted for it. It stood to reason, seniors had helped to build America, so America should thank them by providing a small pension. Of course the life expectancy ran closer to 65 then. Now more people than ever are living into their 80s, so the system is becoming more strained. I would agree that some updating needs to occur.

    FDR was hardly a "socialist" He acted first to help banks and businesses by infusing banks with cash. Roosevelt also acted to create jobs and infrastructure at the same time. It was FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority that brought electricity to many parts of the south. It was FDRs National Recovery Administration that kept the film industry alive. Other FDR programs increased federal wildlife reserves, helped farmers, and built roads, bridges and dams. Roosevelt gave his life for his country. I would point out that Roosevelt did not nationalize a single industry. The most important think FDR did was to provide calm, stable leadership to a country brought to its knees by economic depression. FDR gave people hope.

    FDR didn't "give half of Europe to the commies" Stalin had already taken it before we got to Berlin. There was little FDR could've done about it. And don't forget, Russia lost a lot of people fighting the Nazis. Had it not been for their toughness, the world might be a much different place today. Their obviously flawed political system, notwithstanding, the Russians probably saved the world from the Nazis. They held and held and held the eastern front until the U.S., Britain and other allies could get an attack going from the West. If you don't believe pick up an American History book.

    That's the history folks, take it or leave it.

    acludem
     

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