Barack Obama Commander in Chief

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    Two influential liberal groups have sent the presumptive Democratic nominee a letter pressing him to support cuts to defense programs to pay for universal preschool, relief for Americans facing foreclosure on their homes and expanded benefits for military veterans.


    Now Obama must balance tough talk on national security with the desires of many Democrats to slim American military power.


    Liberal groups and lawmakers have targeted the Department of Defense’s largest acquisition program: the Joint Strike Fighter program, which will provide more than 2,000 aircraft to the Navy, Marines and Air Force.


    The Black Leadership Forum and LULAC wrote that cutting the program “would free up $1 trillion in the federal budget.”


    “America could fund years of universal healthcare at $120 [billion] a year; we could fund universal preschool with $35 billion.”


    Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), co-chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said the rapid growth of defense spending compared to domestic spending in recent years is “outrageous.” She wants to slim defense programs and boost education and healthcare funding.


    TheHill.com - Left presses Obama to cut defense


    To cut a program like the JSF or some of the programs listed here, will not only harm this countrys defense posture for years to come, it would put the United States in a position where existing systems would not be able to compete with the ever expanding technologies of the adversaries that the US Military will face.

    WASHINGTON, March 3, 2008 – China not only is a rising international economic power, but also is a rising military power with new and developing capabilities that have global implications, according to the 2008 China Military Power Report released today.

    David Sedney, deputy assistant secretary of defense for East Asia, announces the release to Congress of the 2008 Defense Department Report on the Military Power of the People's Republic of China, during a March 3,

    The annual report mandated by Congress analyzes China’s military development and strategy and says that the country spent as much as $139 billion, more than three times its announced defense budget, modernizing its military forces last year.

    That amount dwarfs the military budgets of Russia, Japan and South Korea, and has been the driving force behind the country’s military transformation, fueled by the acquisition of advanced foreign weapons and far-reaching organizational and doctrinal reforms.

    DefenseLink News Article: China Military Expansion Could Have Global Implications

    In come cases , US Military personnel are operating aircraft developed in the 1940's in the case of the B-52, and in the case of the US Navy's latest fighter the F-18 E/F your talking about a 4th generation fighter developed in the early 90's. In the sad case of the USAF , just now, F-22's are comming online to replace aircraft developed in the 1970's. To look at the DoD as this big potential cash cow to fund and ever growing list of social programs, shows a fundamental lack of knowledge about this nations defense posture. To even suggest making cuts in these programs while US Military forces are deployed in two different combat zones is not only short sighted, it suggests that an Obama Administration would place the US Military in a position of weakness when it desperatly needs to rebuild after years of neglect.
     
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    I know...it would be terrible if instead of spending more than the rest of the world combined on our military we would only pay, by far, the most.
     
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    I'm glad you agree with me Larkinn, but it is not a question of how much money we spend, it how that money is spent. The DoD has for years spent money on programs that have gone no where and after many years and many billions spent in development costs they were simply cancelled. Take the Crusader Artillery Unit, or the Comanche Scout Helicopter, just those two programs cost the tax payer billions of dollars , want to know that we have to show for it? Two Comanches in storage and two Crusaders on display in Kansas. If the DoD were managed properly and programs were managed properly then perhaps the Air Force would not be flying a tanker that is over 50 years old, and perhaps American companies that employ American workers would not have to lay of thousands of workers because the 767 line is due to shut down because the DoD keeps bouncing the contract and has for many years. So now to suggest that we keep flying 50 year old technology for another 10 years or so then redevelop new systems after that, your talking about a Military that will have little Air capability compared to it's advasaries that have given the green light to a massive build up of 5th generation aircraft like the SU-47.
     
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Navy1960 again.
     
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    World Military Spending:

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    What is needed is to eliminate no bid contracts and look at cutting waste from the DOD budget.

    We need to get rid of all the civilian support functions taking over what used to be normal military support functions. The food was just fine when I was in and we had military cooks. We are spending far more with this type of civilian contractors and aren't getting any better service. Civilian drivers don't have to go into dangerous zones.

    We pay more for the Haliburton's and other civilian support functions than if we used our own troops.

    Among other things, my dad was a military cook in WW II and he was proud of it.

    This privatizing everything only guarantees more money for friends of the privatizers.
     
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    We don't need no durn military. We gotta make sure that fat lady gets fed.
     
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    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has announced a comprehensive modernization of Russia's armed forces and its nuclear arsenal. The plans call for a complete overhaul of the country's nuclear deterrant, including a new generation of nuclear submarines and cruise missiles, as well as spy satellites and an improved missile defense system. The upgrade would be completed by 2020. Earlier this month, Moscow said it was boosting its defense budget by 25 percent to 96 billion dollars.
    Russia announces major military expansion | World News | Deutsche Welle | 27.09.2008

    Now oppose that with Barack Obama's position on Missile defense;

    Obama Position Paper: “Missile Defense Requires Far More Rigorous Testing To Ensure That It Is Cost-Effective And, Most Importantly, Will Work.” “In a world with nuclear weapons, America must continue efforts to defend against the mass destruction of its citizens and our allies. But past efforts were both wasteful and ineffective, pursued with neither honesty nor realism about their costs and shortfalls. We must seek a nuclear missile defense and demand that those efforts use resources wisely to build systems that would actually be effective. Missile defense requires far more rigorous testing to ensure that it is cost-effective and, most importantly, will work. Barack Obama has been a leader to ensure that we are investing in sound defenses not merely against missiles, but also against the more likely scenarios of attack, via ‘loose nukes’ and the terrorist delivering a weapons of mass destruction to the United States. Finally, our deployment of missile defense systems should be done in a way that reinforces, rather than undercuts, our alliances, involving partnership and burdensharing with organizations such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.” [Obama Defense Position Paper]

    Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Monica Coleman's Blog - Crew Chief Turf #29: OBAMA CAMPAIGN RESPONSE AND FACT CHECK: MCCAIN FALSE ATTACK ON DEFENSE SPENDING

    Overall Test Record:
    • Across all programs, 35 of 43 “Hit-to-Kill” intercept attempts have been
    successful since 2001
    • 11 of 11 “Hit-to-Kill” intercepts have been successful since 2007
    Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense: 15 of 17 intercept attempts, 2 failures
    • Includes two SM-2 blast fragmentation, non hit-to-kill intercepts
    • Failures:
    FM-5 interceptor divert control malfunction;
    FTM-11 fire-control malfunction
    Ground-based Midcourse Defense: 7 of 12 intercept attempts, 1 “no-test”
    • Failures:
    IFT-4 kill vehicle infrared sensor cooling malfunction;
    IFT-5 kill vehicle failed to separate from booster;
    IFT-10 kill vehicle failed to separate from booster;
    http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/pdf/testrecord.pdf

    Unproven?, again this shows a lack of knowledge on Barack Obama's as to the abilities of new systems. It would again be a mistake to assume that Missile Defense is one of those programs you just chop up given the current climate in the world.
     
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    Oh no, Obamalama's right, we don't need no durn defense, we just need to feed that fat lady.
     
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    Calm down. President Obama will meet with them. Then they will realize we mean them no harm. They will back off and dismantle. We'll pave the way, dismantling our old nukes too. Soon, you'll see, we'll teach the world to sing...
     

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