Baptist Pastor from Florida rips Kim Davis a new one.

[peach174]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

 

[mdk]

Maybe they can get some faggot donations?

A 'faggot donation' is just like a regular donation except that the stationary they use is tasteful and the envelope beautifully adorned.

The bundle of burning sticks for heretics to be burn at the stake spiritually, really ain't all that pretty to watch unless your a sadist.

A bundle of burning sticks is also known as a faggot. lol.

See you thought I was talking about something different

I know what you are talking about, as it is neither deep nor complex. Luckily it should not be too hard for you to find more burning sticks. You should start by removing the stick from your ass.

 

[Preacher]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

If he was a pastor and knew the bible he would also know that ALL of your sins prior to becoming a christian (for Kim it was 4 years ago) are wiped away once you are saved. Just another asshole talking out of his ass.

 

[RodISHI]

Maybe they can get some faggot donations?

A 'faggot donation' is just like a regular donation except that the stationary they use is tasteful and the envelope beautifully adorned.

The bundle of burning sticks for heretics to be burn at the stake spiritually, really ain't all that pretty to watch unless your a sadist.

A bundle of burning sticks is also known as a faggot. lol.

See you thought I was talking about something different

I know what you are talking about, as it is neither deep nor complex. Luckily it should not be too hard for you to find more burning sticks. You should start by removing the stick from your ass.

There see that "ass" is heavily on your mind evidently.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

Wrong.

Obergefell did not 'redefine' marriage, to maintain it did is a ridiculous lie.

Marriage is the same now as it was before the ruling: a union of two equal, adult, consenting partners not related to each other in a relationship recognized by the state – unaltered, unchanged, and not 'redefined.'

 

[mdk]

A 'faggot donation' is just like a regular donation except that the stationary they use is tasteful and the envelope beautifully adorned.

The bundle of burning sticks for heretics to be burn at the stake spiritually, really ain't all that pretty to watch unless your a sadist.

A bundle of burning sticks is also known as a faggot. lol.

See you thought I was talking about something different

I know what you are talking about, as it is neither deep nor complex. Luckily it should not be too hard for you to find more burning sticks. You should start by removing the stick from your ass.

There see that "ass" is heavily on your mind evidently.

Fish gonna swim, bird gonna fly.

 

[the_human_being]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

Wrong.

Obergefell did not 'redefine' marriage, to maintain it did is a ridiculous lie.

Marriage is the same now as it was before the ruling: a union of two equal, adult, consenting partners not related to each other in a relationship recognized by the state – unaltered, unchanged, and not 'redefined.'

Here!!

Kentucky - Marriage | Laws.com

 

[The Rabbi]

Had no idea you were a Baptist, Herr Christfolgender. That would explain about half your stupid posts. Advanced AIDS and alcoholism would explain the other half.

This thread is not about me. Try to be an adult for once in your life and stay on topic.

No, I am not a Baptist. I am a Jew. But that doesn't mean I can't post words or opinions from people who are non-Jews. it's called debate and adult discussion.

The adults in the room understand this, Herr Schwanzlutscher-und-Schlucker. You don't.

Sorry to hear you have advanced AIDS. Godspeed to you.

LOL! Debate. You dont know the meaning of the term. You cherry-pick stories about conservatives doing negative things or conservatives saying negative things about other conservatives and then post them to stir shit.
I dont have advanced AIDS. You are projecting. So if you arent a Baptist, what? Lutheran. Makes sense. Martin Luther hated Jews just like you do.

 

[The Rabbi]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

Wrong.

Obergefell did not 'redefine' marriage, to maintain it did is a ridiculous lie.

Marriage is the same now as it was before the ruling: a union of two equal, adult, consenting partners not related to each other in a relationship recognized by the state – unaltered, unchanged, and not 'redefined.'

Wrong.
KY state constitution, among many many others, defined marriage as "between one man and one woman." The USSC threw out that defintiion. T hat is called redefining marriage.
You are a dunce.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Here he is...

And here's a link to the church website. You can call for verification.

mccormick road baptist church | Who We Are

(407) 886-4957

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

You make a pretty nice argument, and you word it very well, too. But before she is duty sworn to uphold the laws or her state, she is first duty sworn to uphold the US Constitution, and by extension, the interpretation of law that comes from the US Supreme Court. This issue of federal vs. state was cleared up a long, long, long time ago.

And consequently his argument fails.

 

[the_human_being]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Here he is...

View attachment 50114

And here's a link to the church website. You can call for verification.

mccormick road baptist church | Who We Are

(407) 886-4957

Carla, wonder of wonders!! I never ever dreamed in my heart of dreams that I would ever find common ground with you. I have!! Well said.

 

[the_human_being]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

You make a pretty nice argument, and you word it very well, too. But before she is duty sworn to uphold the laws or her state, she is first duty sworn to uphold the US Constitution, and by extension, the interpretation of law that comes from the US Supreme Court. This issue of federal vs. state was cleared up a long, long, long time ago.

And consequently his argument fails.

I don't expect you to be man enough to take back calling me a liar but I at least expected you to be a somewhat honest camper about it. I posted the link to Kentucky marriage law for you to see for yourself.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

You make a pretty nice argument, and you word it very well, too. But before she is duty sworn to uphold the laws or her state, she is first duty sworn to uphold the US Constitution, and by extension, the interpretation of law that comes from the US Supreme Court. This issue of federal vs. state was cleared up a long, long, long time ago.

So she runs the risk of being placed under arrest by the governor of Kentucky if she violates the Kentucky law? I say the judge should have ordered the Kentucky legislature to convene and pass legislation that coincides with Federal Law in order to prevent just such conflicts as these from occurring. What the Supreme Court did was make new law that voided the will of the people in several states. That judge over-reached, even the ACLU said so.

Wrong.

The Supreme Court invalidated state measures that violated the due process and equal protection rights of gay Americans, making no 'new law,' to maintain that it did is a lie.

Nor was the will of the people 'voided,' to maintain that it was is also a lie.

The residents of the states that passed un-Constitutional measures hostile to gay American never had the authority to deny same-sex couples their inalienable rights – one does not forfeit his inalienable rights merely as a consequence of his state of residence; that the Supreme Court invalidated those measures repugnant to the Constitution is the fault of the states that enacted them, they have only themselves to blame.

 

[the_human_being]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

Wrong.

Obergefell did not 'redefine' marriage, to maintain it did is a ridiculous lie.

Marriage is the same now as it was before the ruling: a union of two equal, adult, consenting partners not related to each other in a relationship recognized by the state – unaltered, unchanged, and not 'redefined.'

Wrong.
KY state constitution, among many many others, defined marriage as "between one man and one woman." The USSC threw out that defintiion. T hat is called redefining marriage.
You are a dunce.

And he's a liar as well. The Supreme Court trotted out there and changed the definition of Kentucky's marriage law as well as some other states and then turned around and went off to dine on lobster tail leaving a lot of local and state governmental officials subject to jail and lawsuits instead of even making a minor attempt at staving off the collateral damages stemming from their decision. That clerk could have been sued by some other party for issuing the licenses in violation of Kentucky law. The state attorney general could have arrested her for issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. She was caught in the crosshairs. She was doomed to violate either one law or another. It should be the Court's responsibility to foresee things like this. The state of Kentucky should have gone to jail if anyone needed to - not that little county clerk.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Which in no way mitigates the accuracy of his observations.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

I guess we can say the same about you.

 

[the_human_being]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

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Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

You make a pretty nice argument, and you word it very well, too. But before she is duty sworn to uphold the laws or her state, she is first duty sworn to uphold the US Constitution, and by extension, the interpretation of law that comes from the US Supreme Court. This issue of federal vs. state was cleared up a long, long, long time ago.

So she runs the risk of being placed under arrest by the governor of Kentucky if she violates the Kentucky law? I say the judge should have ordered the Kentucky legislature to convene and pass legislation that coincides with Federal Law in order to prevent just such conflicts as these from occurring. What the Supreme Court did was make new law that voided the will of the people in several states. That judge over-reached, even the ACLU said so.

Wrong.

The Supreme Court invalidated state measures that violated the due process and equal protection rights of gay Americans, making no 'new law,' to maintain that it did is a lie.

Nor was the will of the people 'voided,' to maintain that it was is also a lie.

The residents of the states that passed un-Constitutional measures hostile to gay American never had the authority to deny same-sex couples their inalienable rights – one does not forfeit his inalienable rights merely as a consequence of his state of residence; that the Supreme Court invalidated those measures repugnant to the Constitution is the fault of the states that enacted them, they have only themselves to blame.

Whatever happened to government by the people, for the people, and of the people? Are five Supreme Court justices "the people"? 75% of Kentucky voters passed the Kentucky Defense of Marriage Law by majority vote. It was the will of the majority - not the few. Why bother to vote on anything? Just have five justices make law for all.

This reminds me of how pissed off Obama was when Rick Perry went down to his Texas southern border to secure it when Obama would not. Obama wouldn't uphold Federal Law forcing Rick Perry to do it.

 

[the_human_being]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Which in no way mitigates the accuracy of his observations.

It speaks tons about yours though.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

In all fairness, some truth of the facts should be presented here. Ms. Davis won her election to County Clerk by an overwhelming majority of the voters of her county. At the time of her election to office, marriage was pretty much defined as the union between one man and one woman. The Supreme Court decision redefining marriage has only recently been given. The fact still remains that the Kentucky Legislature still has not changed that state's law defining marriage as the union between one man and one woman. Now, since she was elected by the people of her County to uphold the laws of their county and the state of Kentucky, would she not be violating her oath of office were she to issue licenses in direct conflict with the law of her county and her state? She even went so far as to ask that judge who sentenced her to jail "What law am I violating here?" and she received no answer to her question. The simple fact is that she is an official of her county and of her state and is sworn to uphold their law.

Wrong.

Obergefell did not 'redefine' marriage, to maintain it did is a ridiculous lie.

Marriage is the same now as it was before the ruling: a union of two equal, adult, consenting partners not related to each other in a relationship recognized by the state – unaltered, unchanged, and not 'redefined.'

Wrong.
KY state constitution, among many many others, defined marriage as "between one man and one woman." The USSC threw out that defintiion. T hat is called redefining marriage.
You are a dunce.

And he's a liar as well. The Supreme Court trotted out there and changed the definition of Kentucky's marriage law as well as some other states and then turned around and went off to dine on lobster tail leaving a lot of local and state governmental officials subject to jail and lawsuits instead of even making a minor attempt at staving off the collateral damages stemming from their decision. That clerk could have been sued by some other party for issuing the licenses in violation of Kentucky law. The state attorney general could have arrested her for issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. She was caught in the crosshairs. She was doomed to violate either one law or another. It should be the Court's responsibility to foresee things like this. The state of Kentucky should have gone to jail if anyone needed to - not that little county clerk.

You claim;
"That clerk could have been sued by some other party for issuing the licenses in violation of Kentucky law. The state attorney general could have arrested her for issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. She was caught in the crosshairs. She was doomed to violate either one law or another. It should be the Court's responsibility to foresee things like this." [Emphasis Added]

The Supremacy clause, Article V, Clause 2, of the Constitution made the Kentucky statute in question MOOT the moment the Supremes released their decision in Obergefell v. Hodges last June 26th. There would have been no jeopardy what so ever attached to Kim Davis if she had just done her sworn duty and issued those licenses to any same sex couples requesting one.