Band Aids, Borders, Burritos & Bejing

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    We Americans do love our band aids. If we don't what someone says, we shut 'em down. We don't like abortions, so we try to make 'em illegal. If we want to deal with illegal immigration, we build a wall. If we're afraid of a ragtag group of South Americans headed our way, we send the freakin' military.

    Seems to me we've become pretty lazy. Instead of dealing with the underlying issues of major problems, we just slap a band aid on them and walk away, feeling all good about ourselves. Bing! Instant gratification! Yay!

    So, as your new King, here is the Five Year Plan: We're going to calm down this immigration shit, we're going to reduce the reasons people are so fucking desperate to escape their shit hole countries in the FIRST fucking place (what an amazing idea!), and we're going to massively reduce our dependence on, and trade deficit with, China, all in the same plan. Here we go!
    1. Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
    2. Deport those who break the law.
    3. Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
    4. Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
    5. Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
    6. Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
    7. Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
    8. Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
    Create a new, Americas-based manufacturing, distribution and consumption behemoth that would re-direct our dollars from China to the Americas.

    There. That's a start. If you see something wrong, instead of tossing the whole thing out, let's tweak and improve it. The biggest problem is pretty obviously #7. Let's talk about that.

    We used to do that here in America. Collaborate. Innovate.
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    Laws will need to be changed and I don't think Congress can do it.
     
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    Why would people rather live in a shit hole than America?

    That's why we need the border. And the military. The people want America, but don't want the values that produce the said America. Bunch of opportunists that shouldn't be given a second thought.
     
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    Wanna see shitholes just drive through the country and see how people are living.
     
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    Perhaps you missed the point.

    The whole point is to bring the jobs, economies and infrastructure that would make staying there with their families a much more attractive idea.
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    Fear has nothing to do with them being stopped at the border. Our current border guard can barely handle the regular flow of illegals so how do you think they would handle being inundated by thousands all at once?
     
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    Being America in the sense of America's place and standing on the global stage is both the same as being the proverbial prodigal son, and the prodigy son at once. Everyone not America seeks a laurel of hatred to rest upon, so they can kick back and say, "see, I told you America was an evil empire, am I right?" while many of the same foreigners wish to view America as some kind of godlike savior-nation who must be held to a higher standard than any other country or empire in world history.

    While I get where you're coming from, Mac and appreciate your efforts to solve critical woes, the world cannot have it both ways. Either we're the "evil empire" from hell, or we're the saviors of the whole rest of the world. But what if, my USMB compadre, neither our American leaders or us American people want to be either villain or savior? What then?
     
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    Wow, thank you. I was hoping someone would see a bigger picture.

    And crap, you're making me think here.

    I'd think the goal, to put it simplistically, would be to cut through that binary choice and lead by example. Right now, we're an easy target, an almost cartoonishly chauvinistic bully that all but revels in annoying those who used to be our friends. I guess that's an attempt to lead by example, but it's just so naive that it won't accomplish anything in the long term.

    Something like this would check so many boxes that, in my little dreamworld scenario, we'd quietly go about proceeding step by step and gain converts along the way.

    I gotta think about that one.
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    So instead of them coming here to get our stuff, we just voluntarily send in our stuff?

    Okay... or how about this, they themselves choose values that actually work to build a country. Then it also may not be an emergency if some make it past the wall and immediately starts chanting for their old failed values.
     
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    Trust me, I want us—our America—to be the savior, the Saint Salvador and I believe most other breathing Americans feel the same. Just that, that we as an entire people are constantly drawn and quartered emotionally by pundits, priests and politicians and philosophers, so mostly we just end up chasing our tails despising each other and the rest of the world. My wise pappy wolf once told me to worry only about my own backyard and focus on raising a good litter of wolf cubs. However, if we all follow his sage advice, we'll be a nation horde of isolationist individuals. Still I don't think we can individually or collectively function as the world's red white and blue Christ. Must be a middle ground.
     
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