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    First time voter here for 2012.... What has Obama done that should make me vote at all (since I feel the Republican field is weak).
     
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    I always root for the other team when my team is struggling.

    Not really tho, just sayin
     
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    How I feel exactly right now haha...
     
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    spectrumc01 I give you....the TRUTH

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    nothing, nothing at all.:(

    I wish I could give you something but I can't. I suggest moving into the deep woods, and waiting it all out.
     
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    geauxtohell Choose your weapon.

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    An anecdote.

    I felt Al Gore didn't warrant my vote in 2000. So I wrote in "Harry Truman". Then we got that disaster George W. Bush for eight years.

    That's when I had a magical revelation.

    When it comes to elections in this country (and especially the presidency), you aren't voting for someone. You are voting against the other guy.

    I am voting for Obama because the GOP field is fucking scary. The GOP unto itself is fucking scary.
     
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    I thought about writing in someone just for the humor factor, but examples of why the GOP is scary?
     
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    Okay, I'm not a Democrat, but I don't think the Obama administration has been completely without merit.

    Obama did, eventually, get us out of Iraq. He's given some genuinely good speeches (the one after Gabby GIffords shooting comes to mind). He's stepped up diplomatic efforts abroad, with slightly less emphasis on military threats - though he's made no substantive changes to our foreign policy.

    Pretty much all of his other 'achievements' I consider bad policy, so that's all I got.

    If you vote, don't play the lesser of two evils game. Vote for someone who substantially reflects your values - otherwise your vote is truly wasted.
     
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    With respect, this is the worst advice I can think of regarding voting. And one of the biggest reasons democracy is broken. To be fair, this fallacy is encouraged by our voting system, which needs to change - but it's still a fallacy and we, as voters, shouldn't fall for it.
     
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    geauxtohell Choose your weapon.

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    You mean other than the fact that (with the exception of Paul who won't win) they are all on board with a pre-emptive war in Iran?

    I am assuming you are of fighting age. You might be surprised about how much one election can affect you.

    Whatever you do, don't write a name in. It's just a waste of your constitutional rights. When I was in college in the late 90s a snooty (and liberal) political science professor pontificated for an hour about why our votes didn't count and how voting was a waste of time and he only did it as a "celebration of freedom of speech".

    I wonder if he felt like an ass after 2000 when the election was decided by a few hundred votes in Florida.

    Your vote counts. Don't let anybody tell you differently.
     
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    geauxtohell Choose your weapon.

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    Why? I am pragmatic. I recognize that no single candidate is going to reflect my views and opinions 100%. However, there sure as hell are candidates I fundamentally disagree with. I am voting to keep him out of office.

    It's absolutely a consequence of our winner takes all system which gives us two dominant parties.

    To change that would require fundamentally changing our country.
     

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