Assesment of Baker report

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    I think Baker Report is a step in right direction especially with Turkey.
    Most crucial concerns of Turkey are mentioned and especially delay of Kerkük referendum (which high-likely is a whole cancellation) is good.

    Kurds in Iraq are not happy with the report as you can read here:

    Is Baker a Turk or an American?
    http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=13697

    Kurdish leader rejects Baker-Hamilton report
    http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=13702

    Recommendation Number 26 which calls for a Constitution review is also rejected by Kurds. Although achieving participation of Sunnites in December elections was achieved with same promise, as the Constitution was framed by Kurds and Shiites with completely own interests and not of whole Iraq's interests. Which Sunnites are part of, too.

    Recommendation Number 28, to put Oil authority under Bagdad central government and sharing of Oil revenues according to population data is what all neighbours want and is a uniting factor between all factions in Iraq.
    Kurds want for example future Ol fields in their authority geography to be wholly used by Kurds themselves. But existing Oil fields in South Iraq for example they want their share from.
    So this is illogical and to put all authority of Oil revenues under Bagdad government in every corner of the country is the right step to go.

    Recommendation Number 30 to delay Kerkük referendum and to launch a new diplomatic Offensive for Kerkük not to explode is a concession for Turkey as Kirkuk under Kurdish authority is declared casus belli from Turkish Army.
    So best is to give Kerkük special status like Bagdad and not include it in any "federal" region.
    Whole Recommendation is against Kurdish interests.
    So Barzani's threats regarding Kerkük
    http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=13702
    are by Baker understood as the lesser evil than consequences from Turkey of such step.

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    All in all, Baker report and all other reports which Bush might listen to but which i believe will not change in recommendations about Turkey and its concerns, but more on Iran and Syria is a sign of greater role of Central Bagdad Government.
    Time for "almost independent" and "highly autonomous" games or leaving politics to self-egoist factions in Bagdad parliament without fear of consequences for the region or American patience seems to be definitely over.
    I sometimes really had the feeling that somebodies behaved like children in candy shops, wanting this and that and USA only watched. A nice revue.
    Watched, till situation got out of control and course change is needed by USA.

    That all these recommendations do especially not stick with Kurds is understandable but they do not have a choice. Their value with more and more unlikely war against Iran is nearing the zero point.
    Those Kurds got really in Megalomania and Iraq being restructured into power mechanism of broader region and lesser USA presence in Iraq will again move power mechanism especially in North Iraq to realistically points. And here Turkey is the giant.

    When i think that Barzani is giving PKK presence in North-Iraq, Talabani is threatening Turkey to interfere in Turkey, then this is Megalomania in full reliance to Uncle Sam. Times change, as we see and we Turks have a good memory and some barking elements in our neighborhood will for sure be silenced, not by force as i a long time wished, but by simple power mechanism as USA is getting out of Iraq business (or plans to) not inevtibale leaving the country.
    But that does not matter if USA leaves Iraq or not for Turkey, what matters is that USA gives up practize of keeping Turkey consequently out of Iraq now for more then 3 years.
    So Turks are back and recommendations of Baker report are to the satisfaction of Turkey. Those gaining space and satisfaction by USA blocking Turkey in Iraq for last 3 years giving them opportunity to move in shoes which are some numbers to big for them, are off course now dissatisfied.
     
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    What do Truks want to happen to the Kurds ? Can ya just lay it all out for us?
    Should they have a land to call thier own?
     
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    Well done, buddy :happy2:
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    Friends of Turkey, simply by failure of those who objected Turkey, are again on the rise:


    Rumsfeld departure ends 'March 1 process' with Turkey:


    But Rumsfeld's planned successor, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Robert Gates, belongs to a totally different school. He was a protégée of former president George H. W. Bush, and he has never worked in the president's administration.Gates is part of a "realist" camp in the Republican Party, whose most prominent members include James Baker, secretary of state for the elder Bush, and Brent Scowcroft, the elder Bush's national security adviser. Gates' close relationship with Scowcroft, who also heads the American-Turkish Council, an organization of mainly large U.S. companies doing business with Turkey, could be a plus from the perspective of relations with Ankara, some analysts suggest.

    http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=58740

    Nice to see Gates commanding Pentagon, after Edelman former ambassador to Turkey and knower of Turkey is Pentagon's 3rd position.
    Other friends like McCain and others i talked about some weeks ago, if you remember.
     
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    It's not us wanting this and that. We only said what we do not want, as Rumfsfeld and Wolfowitz's a-likes did not listened to Turkey and if they listened, they only listened to make exactly the opposite to revenge Turkey.
    And off course for example Kurds profited from this, Profit which they now have again to abolish, a bit part of it as they got simply Megalomania.
    But i think that Turkey gets closer again to positions makeing clear what it wants, just look the Baker report.

    But i would have made the same if i were Barzani or Talabani, as Turkey by USA blocking it was a "lame duck" and they only went for egoistic interests and exploited the situation of bad relations between USA and Turkey.
    But harboring terrorists and threaten Turkey as Talabani (how ironic Iraqi president) made, as if they were in a position to do so and Turkey did not reacted because of USA, i can not understand. Things will reorganize by itself as People currently felling on a high steed will soon be again in their real position.
    And this position is some levels lower then Turkey.

    And i assume and believe that friends of Turkey in Washington think the same way.
    When USA is even considering to talk with Iran or Syria, then if such a meeting will take place, USA will have contacted Turkey several times before till there. But this is not subject of media interest, as media is sensation-horny like USA-IRAN-SYRIA, which indeed is a sensation (Axis of evil).
    So let things reorganize it self in reliance to Turkey by simply not blocking Turkey in Iraq.
     
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    My question is what would make the Turks happy regarding the Kurds.
     
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    - Oil control for Bagdad
    - Kirkuk not to be given to Kurds
    - modifications of constitution for more centralist government in Bagdad rather then "almost independent" a bit "autonomous"
    - no harboring of Terrorists in North-Eastern Iraq with their main bases
    - cut logistic, finance and weapon support for PKK terrorists

    So Baker report is almost that what Turkey wants.
     
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    In other words---no independence? No country ?
     
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    The world is no open-air bazaar and history is not written in Arabian 1000+1 "fairy tales"-style by Alibaba and his 40 thieves. :

    Iraqi Kurds are connected to Iraq and they better keep that connection and step back from other Megalomania, as it might be that they loose everything which they gained by USA invasion into Iraq.
    Kurds in Iraq are nothing without USA, what they tell they must do. Figurines.
    Kurds are in no position to neglect US demands.
    So it is not about Turkey and North-Iraq, but what is actually going on a thing between USA and Turkey.

    Actually wjole Megalomania was based on thinking USA will make them independent from Iraq.
    But the USA gives a shit about and is itself in deep trouble, and Kurds are the first figurine in chess to be scrapped.

    Kurdistan is only present in Karl May fantasy but not in real politics.
    (The Wild Men of Kurdistan) (1965)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_May_movies
     
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    So basically you just hate Kurds cause they want a country next to yours ?
     
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    It's not about hate.
    It's about what is possible and what not.

    And looking Baker commission shows exactly what is possible. Also Israelis became acquainted with what is possible there and what is not possible.
    So why this romance about what is not possible?

    - Independent Uyghur Xinjian
    - independent Sioux
    - independent Quebec
    - independent Chechnya
    - independent Tatarstan
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...

    And independent "Kurdistan" is also not possible in Iraq.
    It will only get independent if foreign powers have interest to play "kurdish card" to start mass killing in the region and stir unrest with different actors, part of them you did not want to have opposite on the battlefield.
     

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