Soggy in NOLA
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The one thing on which everyone in Congress agrees is that health care reform is necessary.
Are you mental?
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The one thing on which everyone in Congress agrees is that health care reform is necessary.
Are you mental?The one thing on which everyone in Congress agrees is that health care reform is necessary.
Clearly this shows you how they could pass it. Correct?Are you mental?The one thing on which everyone in Congress agrees is that health care reform is necessary.
Healthcare Proposals
Would you favor or oppose a healthcare bill that…
Support....Oppose....No answer/Don't know................
Provides tax breaks to small
businesses to make
healthcare coverage for the
workers more affordable?
90................7...........................3....................................Requires healthcare insurance companies to offer
coverage to anyone who applies, even if they have a
pre-existing health condition?
80...............14...........................6...................................
Clearly this shows you how they could pass it. Correct?
Wonder why they can't? Oh, could it be the other massive bunch of costly nonsense they had to tack on?
See my first post in this thread, and take heart.Clearly this shows you how they could pass it. Correct?
Wonder why they can't? Oh, could it be the other massive bunch of costly nonsense they had to tack on?
Exactly.
Plus one major goal of health care was reducing costs.
That goal has not been met in the current bill.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...ined-in-the-health-care-bill.html#post1813692Anyone who is under the mistaken impression that this bill is healthcare reform is in for a very big surprise. From the left, none of the issues, save for the pre-existing conditions issue are in the bill and as for coverge for all, thats out. If you want to address covering many people as use the medicaid part of the bill understand that those in medicaid will not have quailty care, so the quaility care part is also out. Further, this bill will NOT lower premiums in fact it will raise them almost immediatly for 71 million poeple and eventually 80% of Americans who are in private health insurance will see a rise of 10 to 13% in premiums. As for the Insurance company villan argument that is a straw man argument because regardless of how you funnel people in to a public healthcare plan they will be managed by a PRIVATE healthcare insurer. The mandates will force people to purcahse PRIVATE health Insurance so again anyone who was under the mistaken impression that this was bill ever was going to reform healthcare insurance was sadly mistaken. I'm sure that many are aware that Govt insurance does not mean run by the Govt. or at least I hope so.
WTF does the US Gov't have any business doing selling health insurance? For christssakes, first they take over the Banking industry (via the FED) and completely screw it up, then they want me to believe they can improve my health insurance costs?
Everything they've touched is BANKRUPT. Except their pension and health insurance plans of course.
Everything they've touched is BANKRUPT. Except their pension and health insurance plans of course.WTF does the US Gov't have any business doing selling health insurance? For christssakes, first they take over the Banking industry (via the FED) and completely screw it up, then they want me to believe they can improve my health insurance costs?
True, US Mail, AmTrak......why?
Because when the government becomes a business, they don't need to make a profit.
Hell, they don't even need to break even!!
All they need to do is print more money!!!
I attended a party in DC filled with beaurocrats. All they could talk about was how they could spend ALL their budget so they could justify a LARGER budget the next year. At the time, I was working my ass off for a private company and being paid commisions based on individual sales profits.
These guys made me SICK.
Everything they've touched is BANKRUPT. Except their pension and health insurance plans of course.
True, US Mail, AmTrak......why?
Because when the government becomes a business, they don't need to make a profit.
Hell, they don't even need to break even!!
All they need to do is print more money!!!
I attended a party in DC filled with beaurocrats. All they could talk about was how they could spend ALL their budget so they could justify a LARGER budget the next year. At the time, I was working my ass off for a private company and being paid commisions based on individual sales profits.
These guys made me SICK.
I had a very similar blue collar experience with MO-DOT (Missouri Dept. of Trans).
Before the end of the fiscal year, if they had any money remaining in their budget they would break the handles off every tool and use the remaining money to replace them...to be sure their budget was expanded for the subsequent year.
Everything they've touched is BANKRUPT. Except their pension and health insurance plans of course.
True, US Mail, AmTrak......why?
Because when the government becomes a business, they don't need to make a profit.
Hell, they don't even need to break even!!
All they need to do is print more money!!!
I attended a party in DC filled with beaurocrats. All they could talk about was how they could spend ALL their budget so they could justify a LARGER budget the next year. At the time, I was working my ass off for a private company and being paid commisions based on individual sales profits.
These guys made me SICK.
I had a very similar blue collar experience with MO-DOT (Missouri Dept. of Trans).
Before the end of the fiscal year, if they had any money remaining in their budget they would break the handles off every tool and use the remaining money to replace them...to be sure their budget was expanded for the subsequent year.
It was never about healthcare, as has now been proved. It has always been about control. Yet again, we find that the people who swear to defend the Constitution not only do not take that oath seriously, they don't even know what's in the fucking document.
Neither do you.
Its a very liberal document and if you understood it, you would understand that healthcare reform is our governments responsibility.
Its like the bible. You may have read it but that doesn't mean you get it. You have a right wing spin on the constitution???
And we lost. The Healthcare giants won. They have the control. Corporations won, again! Happy?
It was never about healthcare, as has now been proved. It has always been about control. Yet again, we find that the people who swear to defend the Constitution not only do not take that oath seriously, they don't even know what's in the fucking document.
Neither do you.
Its a very liberal document and if you understood it, you would understand that healthcare reform is our governments responsibility.
Its like the bible. You may have read it but that doesn't mean you get it. You have a right wing spin on the constitution???
And we lost. The Healthcare giants won. They have the control. Corporations won, again! Happy?
I understand that the framers of said document were adequately aware of the need for health care, since Ben Franklin was one of them and he was responsible for the first public hospital in the country. I understand that they did not include one word about government responsibility to care for the health of each and every American.
It is our congresscritters - and, apparently, the koolaid liberals - who appear unable to comprehend the original 4 whole pages that founded this nation.
If you think this is a victory for the healthcare industry, then you're an even bigger idiot than you appear to be. Who won? The government - all they want is control - they don't actually care what is in the bill. If they did, they would have fought for the original principles, not sold it for votes. The democrats have the fucking majority.
Dean is just racist. He hates a black President in the WH.The far left is most clearly seen from the mouth of Howard Dean. Dean is not happy about the health care bill right now. No elimination of the don't ask, don't tell policy. No timetable to get out of Iraq. A troop surge in Afghanistan. Obama really picked these people's pockets clean. The funniest part is they defend him like rabid dogs to this day.
Discouraged? More like disgusted . . . . . by government. Seems like we, the people, will always get the shaft. We're Mack and they're Yertle.
Mack's on the very bottom.