Are we all born Athiest and then...

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    brainwashed by whatever idiotic (bar one) religion, cult, sect, whatever the fucking hell you want to call it vision of one particular person, group cult, etc?

    Serious question, don't fuck it up with stupidity please.

    And if anyone can explain their faith and how I may come by it, please feel free.
     
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    It is simple, pray for guidance, or contemplate in private if you do not want to pray. Faith comes from with in. Just being given the words and teachings of Jesus or Mohammad or Abraham is not going to suddenly give you faith.

    If you want to find a group that supports what you believe do some research. If you are in a large enough city you can probably find most religions and followings there or nearby.

    People are not brainwashed at all. At least not in normal religions. You can teach someone all about your religion as they grow up and then can and do reject it or question it as they get older. They may come to find faith in it , they may find another religion or they may decide they do not believe in organized religion or even do not believe in religion at all.
     
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    It would be interesting to see an example where someone was born to parents who were not involved in religion (organised or not) and to see what the child would do as it developed. Given the strongest socialisation comes from parents in the early life of a child it would be interesting to find out.

    I don't know of an example.
     
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    I had very little to do with religion as a child or teen. My Grandmother was catholic but never attended and never talked about the church and my parents never went to church. A couple summers as a small child I went to summer camp at a baptist church, I can barely remember that except having fun with other kids and drawing pictures maybe.

    So who "brainwashed" me?
     
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    Who said you were brainwashed?
     
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    I meet your criteria. I found God all on my own with no socialization of my parents. And no peer pressure or suggestions from anyone else.

    By the time I was 20 I was missing something in my life. I went to a secluded section of a local park and contemplated and ask for guidance.

    Over the next several weeks different groups came to my door to give me " the word of God" I sent them all away to see who would return. Only two returned. One was an old man that insisted Jews were the root of all evil and the other was the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I decided to listen to the Missionaries. I already had a pretty good idea how the Catholic Church and Baptist Churches worked from history lessons in school.

    Let me be clear, before I contemplated I had lived in my Grandparents house for several years and no religious groups had come to the door. Now obviously this could be coincidence but I do not believe so.

    After months of lessons and talks and attending the VERY local church I had no problem seeing that the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was where I belonged.

    Shortly after officially joining the Church I went to Marine Corps Boot Camp. On Sundays in Boot Camp you are nearly forced to go to church , and the Drill Instructors prefer everyone go at the same time to the same place, a nondenominational service. 4 of us in My Company refused to go because there were separate Latter Day Saint services by an Elder of the Church ( the Government does not recognize Elders of the Church as Chaplins because they do not get degrees as such) We went a half hour after everyone else to our own services, which ate up most of the Sunday Morning 4 hours we had, it was lots of fun trying to wash our cloths and be berated by the Drill Instructors for not going to their services. Especially when we were in that first phase of Boot Camp, since third phase had first dibs on the wash racks so we had to wash after church.

    Ask GunnyL how Drill Instructors feel when recruits do not conform to THEIR schedule. Every Sunday was the same, The Drill Instructor came in to the Squad Bay and announced we were going to church and to form up outside. I was the only one in my platoon that did not go, which entailed being brow beat and threatened by the Drill Instructor while I reminded him my services were a half hour later. I am sure the other 3 recruits in the other platoons went through the same ritual. We did this in first and third phase ( 2nd phase we were at Pendleton on the range or in the field, No services were given there.)
     
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    Are you sure that's not just what they WANT you to believe?
     
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    Who is "you", who is "they" and what is it "they" want " you" to believe?
     
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    Even if you are born in to a family that is religious and practices a Faith, it is still your choice as an adult to believe or have Faith in what you have been taught regarding the religion or not....

    I personally walked away for a very long time....nearing a couple of decades...but as with retired gny, I had an "experience", a calling.....that brought me to believing and having Faith, even stronger and deeper than I would have ever imagined happening.

    As said, this comes from within...nothing that any single person who believes can put a finger on or a finger through the hole in Christ's wound....it's called Faith....it can not be packaged in some materialistic pretty box with a ribbon imo....

    care
     
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    So you found your way by yourself. That's really interesting. As an aside, the treatment in Boot Camp was pretty poor. It's not anywhere near the same but I was "excused" from religious services at high school and I used to have to go off to a room to study. Study hah! My mate was Jewish and he and I used to get up to all sorts of mischief, even under direct supervision, but 13 year olds do that. But we both used to realise that we were "other".
     

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