Are liberals becoming terrorists?

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
So all you want from life dk, is guaranteed security? That's all? Income redistribution would kill our nations economy. Then there'd be no jobs at all. How's that for security?

Is 'putting words in my mouth' the only way you have of deflecting the truth of my statements?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
as I said, have you forgotten about the railroad barrons, the oil barrons, etc. of the turn of the century? You ignore history to support your position today. Do you think you are the first person to lose a home? Nope. And you won't be the last. I am sorry for what happened to you, but you cannot blame one segment of society for that. There really was a time in this country where a few coroporation controlled almost everything. How many corporations are there in America today? More than you can count. So don't try to feed me tripe please.

Yes, in history the corporate elitism was more concentrated in the hands of a few, but today, there are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of corporate elitists that dictate how our government makes legislation.

How many millionaire doctors, lawyers, business executives, insurance and telecommunications people do we have that operate unchecked on a daily basis, dictating how we must run our lives? If you think thats tripe then I don't know what else I can do for you.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
Is 'putting words in my mouth' the only way you have of deflecting the truth of my statements?

Sorry, you seemed to be focused on a guarantee of personal success. My bad.

There is no truth to your statements. Allowing individuals and the corporations they create freely without coercion amongst all parties is what has made this country great. That's the truth.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
Yes, in history the corporate elitism was more concentrated in the hands of a few, but today, there are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of corporate elitists that dictate how our government makes legislation.

How many millionaire doctors, lawyers, business executives, insurance and telecommunications people do we have that operate unchecked on a daily basis, dictating how we must run our lives? If you think thats tripe then I don't know what else I can do for you.

Who's stopping you from starting a business? These opportunities are open to us all. And if you think people can't succeed unless born rich, you're totally out of touch. It happens everyday. I've seen it happen to people.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
Yes, in history the corporate elitism was more concentrated in the hands of a few, but today, there are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of corporate elitists that dictate how our government makes legislation.

How many millionaire doctors, lawyers, business executives, insurance and telecommunications people do we have that operate unchecked on a daily basis, dictating how we must run our lives? If you think thats tripe then I don't know what else I can do for you.

dude, i own a corporation and i have done very well for myself. but pretty much, other than on this board and when voting, i am not at all involved in politics. the only president i ever met was one i didn't want to meet. billy bob and that is just because i happened to be at my CC the day he decided to play golf there.

so see, not every "corporate" owner is an elitist. the elitist are the liberals.

listen to yourself and you might realize how IGNORANT you sound. not saying you are, but you sure are coming across that way on this topic.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
dude, i own a corporation and i have done very well for myself. but pretty much, other than on this board and when voting, i am not at all involved in politics. the only president i ever met was one i didn't want to meet. billy bob and that is just because i happened to be at my CC the day he decided to play golf there.

so see, not every "corporate" owner is an elitist. the elitist are the liberals.

listen to yourself and you might realize how IGNORANT you sound. not saying you are, but you sure are coming across that way on this topic.

I said 'hundreds', not everyone of them.

If a business owner or executive can buy a 'campaign lunch' ticket for a $2000 donation to sit next to a high level government isn't a part of 'elitism', and whoever can say, with all honesty, that such an action doesn't result in favorable legislation for said business or business group should take a look at what ignorance truly is.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Sorry, you seemed to be focused on a guarantee of personal success. My bad.

your bad interpretation and assumption.

There is no truth to your statements. Allowing individuals and the corporations they create freely without coercion amongst all parties is what has made this country great. That's the truth.

when done in a fair and ethical manner, it is indeed. When allowed to run afoul of the spirit of the law and use government influence to do an end run around regulations, its not.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I said 'hundreds', not everyone of them.

If a business owner or executive can buy a 'campaign lunch' ticket for a $2000 donation to sit next to a high level government isn't a part of 'elitism', and whoever can say, with all honesty, that such an action doesn't result in favorable legislation for said business or business group should take a look at what ignorance truly is.

i have attended a luncheon with our governor when our company was given an award by the state. i said hello, shook his hand and once i left the luncheon, i never saw or spoke to the man again. many people give money to politicians. are every single one of them buying legislation? No. I know lots of business owners that have gone to dinners with bush (one guy I know paid $5K for him and his wife to go) and he shook his hand, but never got to ask for any favors. you assume the worst in people and that is bad DK.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Who's stopping you from starting a business? These opportunities are open to us all. And if you think people can't succeed unless born rich, you're totally out of touch. It happens everyday. I've seen it happen to people.

now what does that statement have to do with anything I've said about elitism? nothing maybe? I think so.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
i have attended a luncheon with our governor when our company was given an award by the state. i said hello, shook his hand and once i left the luncheon, i never saw or spoke to the man again. many people give money to politicians. are every single one of them buying legislation? No. I know lots of business owners that have gone to dinners with bush (one guy I know paid $5K for him and his wife to go) and he shook his hand, but never got to ask for any favors. you assume the worst in people and that is bad DK.

did you gloss over the part where I said 'hundreds do, but not everybody'?

 

[dilloduck]

Corporations donate to and control both parties . The elite determine who the common American will be allowed to vote for.
The individual has much less say so in respect to choosing who represents us than we think. We are lucky that the elites need some kind of organized system to be in operation so that they can sell thier wares and give jobs to people so that people can purchase the wares. The whole system is dependent on methods to ensure stability and a "happy" society.
IMHO

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
did you gloss over the part where I said 'hundreds do, but not everybody'?

no, but I did focus this statment:

If a business owner or executive can buy a 'campaign lunch' ticket for a $2000 donation to sit next to a high level government isn't a part of 'elitism', and whoever can say, with all honesty, that such an action doesn't result in favorable legislation for said business or business group should take a look at what ignorance truly is.

In one hand you say hundreds, then you turn around and make a statement that lumps every donor that attends a luncheon or dinner with a high ranking official as being "elitist". So you again lumped em all back together again.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
your bad interpretation and assumption.

Just FYI, whining a lot fosters that perception.

when done in a fair and ethical manner, it is indeed. When allowed to run afoul of the spirit of the law and use government influence to do an end run around regulations, its not.

We have corporate laws. I believe in their enforcement. When businesses pays off government for favors, it is the elected representatives who sold the trust given to them by the people, their share of the evil is larger. Government has more power than business, therefore, their opportunities for corruption are greater, and the gravity of their transgressions is increased.

 

[freeandfun1]

If we are honest with ourselves, we will admit that the country was set up to be run by a small group of the elite. Fareed Zakaria's book, "The Future of Freedom" clearly points all this out. So as we sit here bitching about the "business" and "legal" elite, we forget those people are who our forefathers wanted to lead this country.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
no, but I did focus this statment:


In one hand you say hundreds, then you turn around and make a statement that lumps every donor that attends a luncheon or dinner with a high ranking official as being "elitist". So you again lumped em all back together again.

ok, maybe I should have reworded it more precisely. I would have thought that the two statements weren't mutually inclusive.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Just FYI, whining a lot fosters that perception.

then stop whining and you won't perceive that way anymore.

We have corporate laws. I believe in their enforcement. When businesses pays off government for favors, it is the elected representatives who sold the trust given to them by the people, their share of the evil is larger. Government has more power than business, therefore, their opportunities for corruption are greater, and the gravity of their transgressions is increased.

then why do you continue to support those politicians that refuse to enforce those laws?

 

[NATO AIR]

the future of freedoms was a great book

made good points, especially about america slipping into california style democracy, which incidentally, makes it even easier for special interests and elitists with agends to hijack the political process and mess things up

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
then stop whining and you won't perceive that way anymore.

Oh dear. SOmething smells.

then why do you continue to support those politicians that refuse to enforce those laws?

Which politicians refuse to enforce corporate law?

Looks like ken lay may get his afterall. These people were scum. No doubt about it. their crimes still don't justify socialism. That's throwing the baby of free markets out with the bathwater of corporate fraud.

 

[freeandfun1]

they went after Ken Lay just like they do organized crime. from the bottom, up.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr

Which politicians refuse to enforce corporate law?

any of them that allow corporations to hire and maintain illegals.
any of them that allow corporations to pay a fine of 50% from whatever ill gotten gains they made off a criminal action.

note that this applies to both democrats and republicans so if you were trying to point out a partisanship, you would be wrong.

Looks like ken lay may get his afterall. These people were scum. No doubt about it. their crimes still don't justify socialism. That's throwing the baby of free markets out with the bathwater of corporate fraud.

when we pacify ourselves with the notion of justice being served by allowing an individual, or corporation, to pay only a percentage of ill gotten gains through a fine, then we're not enforcing the law, we're just pointing our finger and saying 'don't get caught next time'.

enforce the corporate laws or its not socialism we'll be facing, but fascism.