Are corporations more powerful than government

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    After all the market shenanigans and financial collapses, a thinking person must come to the conclusion that most are clueless when it comes to economics. When corporations rule based solely on the bottom line and individuals work based on how much they can acquire, the planet and life is in jeopardy. Large corporations are both a blessing and a curse, they can provide jobs and a standard of living greater than most occupations for the employees at the top or in upper management levels, as we used to call it. They can also be predatory agencies, that lower wages, outsource, and hold communities and workers hostage to low pay and insecurity. Consider, study, Microsoft or Wal-Mart as examples.

    I marvel at those who think free market corporatism is the way to nirvana. Enron, AIG, Saving and Loan collapse, bank failure, bad real estate investments, should tell all except those driven by formula that something is wrong and the system needs work. I used to think conservative corporate backed think tanks were a threat to democracy - I still do, but I will add corporatism as a threat to our planet as well. What happened to the good life. This piece is excellent, but boy, what a job it would entail, a change of head and heart and economy.

    The Story of Stuff with Annie Leonard
    Philip Tetlock on expert predictions on the economy - Feb. 18, 2009
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/writing/50779-end-of-democracy.html

    "It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war." Abraham Lincoln in a letter to William F. Elkins, November 21, 1864.
     
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    Which economic theory do you suggest as a "way to nirvana " ?
     
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    None, or if forced to answer, a blend dependent on the times and a consideration for all and the future of all. Did you watch the video, fascinating and the end offers a way.


    "It is not enough to ask, ‘Will my act harm other people?’ Even if the answer is No, my act may still be wrong, because of its effects on other people. I should ask, ‘Will my act be one of a set of acts that will together harm other people?’ The answer may be Yes. And the harm to others may be great." Derek Parfit
     
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    Some corporationss are, or we let them be anyway.
    Gov always has the ability to take back power if they choose to.
     
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    Government didn't tell the private bankers that they could give themselves $2 trillion dollars but they did, without asking.

    So if private bankers can do that, why did they bother asking for the additional $750 billion???

    And when our government asked the Feds who they gave the $2 trillion to, Paulson told them to fuck off.

    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/106443/why_won't_the_federal_reserve_say_who_they_gave_$2_trillion_to/
     
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    If we get too close, they'll distract us with something like a war or catastophy.

    Or, they'll start making things better so we forget and forgive.

    Like when they dropped gas prices a month before the election.

    Or like they tried to start a war in Georgia with Russia. That would make McCain look good??? That's why Cheney wants another 9-11.
     
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    Are you actually claiming that the parts of society that own the media manipulate public opinion for their own benefit?

    You must be a conspiracy theorist.
     
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    All I know is that we are showing the tea baggers that the Fed spent 2 trillion and we haven't heard a peep out of those little bitches.

    $100,000
    $1,000,000 is 1 million.
    1000,000,000 is a billion, correct?
    $1000,000,000,000 IS A TRILLION? 1000 BILLIONS? And the bankers gave the bankers 2 trillion?

    And no tea bag protests? Nothing from Fox? How about MSNBC?

    And if they talk about it, they'll talk about it one day and let the story die. So Willow and Allie can say they are liberal media's.

    But they won't talk about it day after day until something is done.

    Because they own the media now too.

    If it was liberal, it would not be working for them like it does.
     
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    That's like asking if Tessio and Clemenza are more powerful that Don Vito.

    Of course they aren't.

    In fact, the corporation known as "District of Columbia" is the biggest and most powerful multi-national corporation on the planet.
     
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    House slave. You can't even admit you are wrong when the bankers can take $2 trillion without even having to ask us/our government.

    Sucker.

    And our government can take back the country, if enough of us woke up. But you are still snoring in deep REM.
     

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