Are China's New Aircraft Carriers Sitting Ducks?

[Donald H]

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What use are 3 aircraft carriers to a nation that doen's plan on aggression abroad in the West? They can't be considered as anything more than platforms from which to sacrifice 15,000 or more sailors to the enemy!

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[Stryder50]

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What use are 3 aircraft carriers to a nation that doen's plan on aggression abroad in the West? They can't be considered as anything more than platforms from which to sacrifice 15,000 or more sailors to the enemy!

See the linked video for more comments.

The three of them together "might" barely equal one USN main carrier in aircraft and capability in some areas, but not all. So yes, they mainly will be expensive targets.

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[there4eyeM]

The ships and the term certainly go together.

 

[there4eyeM]

It is not the age of few, fragile and expensive.

 

[Donald H]

The three of them together "might" barely equal one USN main carrier in aircraft and capability in some areas, but not all. So yes, they mainly will be expensive targets.

China's 'Triple' Aircraft Carriers No Big Threat To Taiwan​

Do you know why China still chooses the ramped up deck over the angle deck design? Is it more versatile for larger and slower aircraft?

 

[luiza]

What use are 3 aircraft carriers to a nation that doen's plan on aggression abroad in the West? They can't be considered as anything more than platforms from which to sacrifice 15,000 or more sailors to the enemy!

See the linked video for more comments.

All aircraft carriers have been made obsolete by Hyper Sonic Missiles like the Russian Avanguards which can move in excess of Mach15 on a downward trajectory .
It has been estimated that the whole US fleet of ACs would disappear in a couple of hours maximum , with no possible present defence of any sort other than by diving off the side very fast .
Radar would simply not even see them .

Let alone DEW , where there is little hard info to evaluate., but it is believed that China is in a very advanced position and has let the US know that they are a decade ahead of them . By field action which , of course , has never been officially recognised , let alone commented on by the crooked MSM .

 

[rampart]

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What use are 3 aircraft carriers to a nation that doen's plan on aggression abroad in the West? They can't be considered as anything more than platforms from which to sacrifice 15,000 or more sailors to the enemy!

See the linked video for more comments.

there are an incredible number of lessons learned between building an aircraft carrier and training the crews and pilots to man one. about a generation, i think , from uss langley to the effective carrier battle groups at midway.

let them play. a surface navy is, generally, an expensive target.

 

[Donald H]

All aircraft carriers have been made obsolete by Hyper Sonic Missiles like the Russian Avanguards which can move in excess of Mach15 on a downward trajectory .
It has been estimated that the whole US fleet of ACs would disappear in a couple of hours maximum , with no possible present defence of any sort other than by diving off the side very fast .
Radar would simply not even see them .

Let alone DEW , where there is little hard info to evaluate., but it is believed that China is in a very advanced position and has let the US know that they are a decade ahead of them . By field action which , of course , has never been officially recognised , let alone commented on by the crooked MSM .

Thanks but I was more interested in the question on China's air craft carriers, than America's. There could be a considerable difference depending on the experience of the crew and the sort of weapons that could be used to sink one.

None of the big three want a nuclear war but that can't be said about one or more of them not wanting the benefits of war.

 

[Donald H]

there are an incredible number of lessons learned between building an aircraft carrier and training the crews and pilots to man one. about a generation, i think , from uss langley to the effective carrier battle groups at midway.

let them play. a surface navy is, generally, an expensive target.

Japan led the world in air craft carriers and had a few amazing successes.

But quickly lost the bulk of them. That certainly did give the first impression that they were sitting ducks.

 

[Stryder50]

Do you know why China still chooses the ramped up deck over the angle deck design? Is it more versatile for larger and slower aircraft?

Ramped foredeck is a cheaper and lower tech way to launch fixed wing aircraft without needing tech of high energy catapult(sling) launch such as seen on USN CVs(Aircraft Carriers). This often means that aircraft using such systems aren't able to launch and fly on missions using their full potential of payload = fuel plus weapons.

Angled flight deck is a system/design that allows for aircraft to land on the stern(aft/rear) part of the ship while the front/fore is usable for launching aircraft. Hence the ship can both land and launch aircraft at the same time, with some flight-deck space to move and handle aircraft involved in either operations.

Basically both "angled" and "ramped" flight deck designs/systems are compatible with each other and your "question" suggests someone either not knowledgeable with what both are and/or confused about how both can work together within a same ship design.

Aside from number of launch and land systems and equal operational capability for flight deck operations/actions, the other major concern is number of elevators to transfer aircraft from flight to hanger deck, and turn-around in terms of repairs, refit, replenish, etc. of aircraft from hanger(fix em) to flight (use 'em) deck status.

In addition to this is the type of aircraft that can be used/supported by the vessel/aircraft carrier(CV) and their usable launch weight(payload) of fuel and weapons. Generally designs using ramp launch systems mean the aircraft will leave the ship short on either fuel(range) or weapons load(punch); or both!

To recap; an ramped flight deck design usually implies an attempt to provide maximum operational flexibility allowing for means to land and launch aircraft simultaneously. It is often a cheap solution for lack of tech to make powerful enough catapult systems to sling fully loaded aircraft from the deck in initial launch profile.

An angled flight deck design means allowance for retrieving aircraft without interruption bow launching operations/settings.

What really matters in measuring an "aircraft carriers" abilities and threats potential is;
1) How many aircraft, straight wing, high load capacity, can it carry and operate in normal configuration ???
2) How quickly can it land, then service, arm and prep for relaunch aircraft that come to/land upon it ???
3) What capacity does it have to store and service aircraft in it's hanger deck versus need for a quick time turnaround to get back to another mission within less than a few~couple hours. ???
4) What chances does the aircraft carrier have to survive assorted threats during those initial hours/days of opening war situations while it is filling the gap as a mobile airbase to block and counter threats from the hostile side. ???
5) What abilities above and beyond defense of self and task force does the CV(Carrier) have that will allow it to also employ an aggressive role in being an attacking force/treat as well as preserve it's threat potential in the conflict area ????
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In short, a major warship CV must not only present a significant self protection ability, but AT THE SAME TIME present an equal and dangerously threatening system of attack/harm to the enemy it has to deal with.

 

[martybegan]

The three of them together "might" barely equal one USN main carrier in aircraft and capability in some areas, but not all. So yes, they mainly will be expensive targets.

China's 'Triple' Aircraft Carriers No Big Threat To Taiwan​

All their anti-air and anti-ship capability doesn't mean squat if they aren't on the ball for Anti-submarine warfare.

I can see the US attack sub captains drooling at the chance if the Chi-Coms are stupid enough to start something.

 

[rampart]

Japan led the world in air craft carriers and had a few amazing successes.

But quickly lost the bulk of them. That certainly did give the first impression that they were sitting ducks.

it was a rare exercise that our dd captain did not receive a photo from his counterpart on an ssn showing our ship squarely in the periscope cross hairs.

 

[Failzero]

China will have a 20 carrier fleet in 15 years

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I think China is mostly interested in eventually “projecting power” in its Asian region, impressing neighbors and smaller countries, and showing its flag abroad. In the case of a fight over Taiwan it really doesn’t need aircraft carriers. From mainland China to Taiwan is only about 100 miles … and China itself is “unsinkable.”

 

[there4eyeM]

Ever since the time of Napoleon, new wars have left the plans and commanders in the dust. There is no reason to think that a possible next war would be anything like WWII, aside from massive destruction. Novel weapons and tactics would reveal unforeseen weaknesses and upsets.

 

[Failzero]

China will have a 20 carrier fleet in 15 years

Ok ok they will only have 17 ( With 1 in Refitting / repairs and two with keels laid )

 

[Stryder50]

Maybe when it comes to size, but capability remains to be seen.

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[Stryder50]

Ok ok they will only have 17 ( With 1 in Refitting / repairs and two with keels laid )

Source ???

 

[Failzero]

Source ???

They have 3 now with two keels laid and are prepping another keel as we type here

 

[Stryder50]

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