Are Americans getting fed up with govt tilting the playing field toward special interest groups?

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Might Donald Trump's emergence, reflect the voters' dissatisfaction with recent trends in American government?

Voters realized that government's main purpose is no longer protecting people's individual rights. Govt has moved into the business of favoring one group over another.

With this change, it has begun imposing its rules and restrictions based not on the complete equality under law demanded by the Constitution, but on constantly-changing standards of "deserving". Such as whether they are minorities, whether they are in unions, whether they own land where the snail darter or spotted owl lives, whether they are poor, etc. (Needless to say, people who have earned and saved a lot of money, are at the bottom of this "favored-group" list.)

So, many of those voters have inserted another qualification on whom they will vote for, for President. Their preferred candidate must be one who will favor them above others.

Since such selfish (and even larcenous) desires are not socially acceptable, they couch it in innocent-sounding phrases such as "I want a candidate who understands me", or "I want a candidate who sympathizes with the problems I am facing".

Back when government's only functions were national defense, coining money, setting standards, dealing with foreign nations, prosecuting certain crimes etc., such "sympathizing" was unnecessary. People tended to vote for the candidate they thought could handle the actual, legitimate functions of government better. And they tended to vote for stern, fatherly figures such as George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Grover Cleveland etc. Leaders whom they thought would enforce the laws impartially and deal with challenges sternly and with some degree of integrity.

But now, government's main function has changed. It spends more and more time and money (especially money) trying to relieve you of the everyday problems in your own personal life (distributing health care, controlling the people around you and regulating what they built, what they sold you, what they said in your hearing, planning your retirement savings for you, deciding for you what your children could eat in school, and generally saving you from your own follies and mistakes). And as a result, more and more voters have now decided that it is more important to have a President they can count on to favor them, more than he favors people not like them.

So we're getting candidates who fight to "give" them health care based on how much they need rather than how hard they work to pay for what they get. Candidates who favor those who "need more", over those who managed to provide their own without the assistance of government. And those candidates get voted for more often than candidates who promise to make sure nobody stops you from earning enough to pay for your own health care. Same for candidates who promise to get you into college due to your skin color or national origin, over candidates who promise to make sure you have the same (and no more) chance to get into college regardless of your skin color... but leave it up to you to pay for it yourself.

Back when such matters were none of government's business, there was no point in voting for the more "sympathetic" candidate. And people would even wonder what kind of slippery trick you were trying to pull if you wanted someone who promised to make sure a pound of grain would weigh more at your mill than at the next town's mill... weights and measures being one of the few legitimate functions of government the candidate would actually be able to influence, in obedience to the Constitution.

And people's response to these governments whose main job is to hand out favors, as they have always responded to socialistic governments throughout history (including govts with those characteristics long before the term "socialism" was invented), is inevitable. Even the people with personal integrity, who wanted to stick to the old rules of actual fairness and impartiality, have started to see that it is now a losing gambit. If they don't try to sway government into favoring them more than their neighbor, they will simply find government favoring them far less and oppressing them even more.

And so, one by one, honest people gradually release their fealty toward stern, impartial government that stays out of their lives. And one by one, they throw in their lot with the people already trying to cadge more favors from government, whether in the name of "making reparations for the wrongs done by previous generations" or "providing health care to those who don't have it (itself a misleading lie)". And they do their best to vote for the candidate who (they will righteously tell you) "understands my own plight a little better" or "sympathizes for people in my particular position". Of course, these are both phrases that boil down to "he will do more good things for me, and relax the regulations a little more for me, than he will for the other guy."

Some people wonder why politicians pushing such favoritism, get so many votes. One explanation sometimes offered, is "voter fraud".

But in a sense, voter fraud isn't just fraud perpetrated AGAINST voters. There's another kind: The subtle fraud perpetrated BY voters against their fellow men, in an attempt to get government "on my side and not on your side".

And though subtle, this other kind of fraud is the most pernicious in the long run, since it causes the remaining fair, upright voters to abandon, one by one, their dedication to truly impartial government, and go over to supporting corruptible, me-over-you government.

And as more people go over to this corruptible, me-over-you government, this puts more pressure on the remaining (and now dwindling) individual citizens who were trying to play fair and maintain their integrity, to give up that integrity, and follow.

Could Trump's in-your-face insistence on doing things the way HE wants them done (many of them matching what a lot of dissatisfied people want done), be a result of so many people being unhappy with the tilt-the-playing-field-toward-that-group function that government has taken on in the last dacade or two?

Many of the people pushing for big government "helping" people, don't intend for society to deteriorate, of course.

But the fact is, that is the inevitable result, when govt tries to "help" people.

1.) It turns into a pushing and shoving match, trying to get govt to help you more than it helps the other guy;
2.) Hardworking people who don't want govt favor, are persuaded one after the other to give up and seek favor anyway. While NO people are ever persuaded to go the other way. The result is a slow slide into dependence, with no particular urge to stop.

We are seeing the United States slide down this path, at an ever-increasing rate. Where people used to vote for Presidents based on how well they would defend the coutry, enforce our laws, and protect our rights, now the President's most ardent supporters crow over how popular he is, what a nice guy he is, and how "unfeeling" the opposing candidates were.

It is a sea change we can ill afford to ignore, and even less afford to indulge in. But is it one that can still be reversed?
 
Sorry, but $1.2 trillion of annual tax expenditures which are DOUBLE the amount spend on "welfare" blows your theory out of the water that government does not favor higher incomes over lower incomes.

Tax expenditures are a massive transfer of wealth from the pockets of the common man up the food chain.

Reagan understood this. Too bad the faux conservatives of today don't.
 
Might Donald Trump's emergence, reflect the voters' dissatisfaction with recent trends in American government?

Voters realized that government's main purpose is no longer protecting people's individual rights. Govt has moved into the business of favoring one group over another.

With this change, it has begun imposing its rules and restrictions based not on the complete equality under law demanded by the Constitution, but on constantly-changing standards of "deserving". Such as whether they are minorities, whether they are in unions, whether they own land where the snail darter or spotted owl lives, whether they are poor, etc. (Needless to say, people who have earned and saved a lot of money, are at the bottom of this "favored-group" list.)

So, many of those voters have inserted another qualification on whom they will vote for, for President. Their preferred candidate must be one who will favor them above others.

Since such selfish (and even larcenous) desires are not socially acceptable, they couch it in innocent-sounding phrases such as "I want a candidate who understands me", or "I want a candidate who sympathizes with the problems I am facing".

Back when government's only functions were national defense, coining money, setting standards, dealing with foreign nations, prosecuting certain crimes etc., such "sympathizing" was unnecessary. People tended to vote for the candidate they thought could handle the actual, legitimate functions of government better. And they tended to vote for stern, fatherly figures such as George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Grover Cleveland etc. Leaders whom they thought would enforce the laws impartially and deal with challenges sternly and with some degree of integrity.

But now, government's main function has changed. It spends more and more time and money (especially money) trying to relieve you of the everyday problems in your own personal life (distributing health care, controlling the people around you and regulating what they built, what they sold you, what they said in your hearing, planning your retirement savings for you, deciding for you what your children could eat in school, and generally saving you from your own follies and mistakes). And as a result, more and more voters have now decided that it is more important to have a President they can count on to favor them, more than he favors people not like them.

So we're getting candidates who fight to "give" them health care based on how much they need rather than how hard they work to pay for what they get. Candidates who favor those who "need more", over those who managed to provide their own without the assistance of government. And those candidates get voted for more often than candidates who promise to make sure nobody stops you from earning enough to pay for your own health care. Same for candidates who promise to get you into college due to your skin color or national origin, over candidates who promise to make sure you have the same (and no more) chance to get into college regardless of your skin color... but leave it up to you to pay for it yourself.

Back when such matters were none of government's business, there was no point in voting for the more "sympathetic" candidate. And people would even wonder what kind of slippery trick you were trying to pull if you wanted someone who promised to make sure a pound of grain would weigh more at your mill than at the next town's mill... weights and measures being one of the few legitimate functions of government the candidate would actually be able to influence, in obedience to the Constitution.

And people's response to these governments whose main job is to hand out favors, as they have always responded to socialistic governments throughout history (including govts with those characteristics long before the term "socialism" was invented), is inevitable. Even the people with personal integrity, who wanted to stick to the old rules of actual fairness and impartiality, have started to see that it is now a losing gambit. If they don't try to sway government into favoring them more than their neighbor, they will simply find government favoring them far less and oppressing them even more.

And so, one by one, honest people gradually release their fealty toward stern, impartial government that stays out of their lives. And one by one, they throw in their lot with the people already trying to cadge more favors from government, whether in the name of "making reparations for the wrongs done by previous generations" or "providing health care to those who don't have it (itself a misleading lie)". And they do their best to vote for the candidate who (they will righteously tell you) "understands my own plight a little better" or "sympathizes for people in my particular position". Of course, these are both phrases that boil down to "he will do more good things for me, and relax the regulations a little more for me, than he will for the other guy."

Some people wonder why politicians pushing such favoritism, get so many votes. One explanation sometimes offered, is "voter fraud".

But in a sense, voter fraud isn't just fraud perpetrated AGAINST voters. There's another kind: The subtle fraud perpetrated BY voters against their fellow men, in an attempt to get government "on my side and not on your side".

And though subtle, this other kind of fraud is the most pernicious in the long run, since it causes the remaining fair, upright voters to abandon, one by one, their dedication to truly impartial government, and go over to supporting corruptible, me-over-you government.

And as more people go over to this corruptible, me-over-you government, this puts more pressure on the remaining (and now dwindling) individual citizens who were trying to play fair and maintain their integrity, to give up that integrity, and follow.

Could Trump's in-your-face insistence on doing things the way HE wants them done (many of them matching what a lot of dissatisfied people want done), be a result of so many people being unhappy with the tilt-the-playing-field-toward-that-group function that government has taken on in the last dacade or two?

Many of the people pushing for big government "helping" people, don't intend for society to deteriorate, of course.

But the fact is, that is the inevitable result, when govt tries to "help" people.

1.) It turns into a pushing and shoving match, trying to get govt to help you more than it helps the other guy;
2.) Hardworking people who don't want govt favor, are persuaded one after the other to give up and seek favor anyway. While NO people are ever persuaded to go the other way. The result is a slow slide into dependence, with no particular urge to stop.

We are seeing the United States slide down this path, at an ever-increasing rate. Where people used to vote for Presidents based on how well they would defend the coutry, enforce our laws, and protect our rights, now the President's most ardent supporters crow over how popular he is, what a nice guy he is, and how "unfeeling" the opposing candidates were.

It is a sea change we can ill afford to ignore, and even less afford to indulge in. But is it one that can still be reversed?

I think we might have become too "diverse" when what we REALLY needed was unity...
The politics of anti white racial revenge plays in, also. Other races have racial solidarity among it's members where they work for what's in their best interest...That's how humans operate.
Here, they want to swarm us with 3rd world peasants to dilute the majority and skew the vote.

Then there is the negro problem..No matter WHAT white people do, no matter what we give, no matter how many discriminatory laws that are passed to artificially elevate minorities over qualified whites, they will never be satisfied.
As long as there is no pushback they will continue the assault on european heritage and culture.
Separation is only the way to end all "racism" and racial jealousy and revenge politics.

Sooner or later this nation will collapse..They all do...no big deal in the whole vast scheme of things..we're no different and we aren't "special".
Collapse, ethnic cleansing, intervention from the outside, partitioning and reconstruction will be the pattern...think "balkans".
 
I don't expect Trump to do anything on that score. He's in favor of eminent domain being used to help business. That's what right wimgers were screaming holy hell about a few years ago, when Souter was the swing vote on a USSC ED decision.

Donald Trump and Eminent Domain | RedState

Souter Gets Taste Of His Own Eminent Domain Medicine

trump follows the laws that are in place...he didn't invent them...if you don't like the laws that are in place, talk to your representative...character attacks on him for following the law are amusing...
 
EVERYONE is a taker. This hypocritical finger pointing at other people is getting really old.
One of the poorer excuses for "We're stuck with govt handing out more and more goodies and no one is allowed to stop it!"

Thanks for making my point. Trump is someone who will simply stand up and use the Bully Pulpit to ask voters to call their Congressmen and blow it all away.
 
Political types seek power, so they can influence government. That power comes from gaining votes from the poor and pandering to the rich. Party affiliation makes no difference.
 
Spending tax money on Special Interest groups is, and always been completely illegal. It's one of the most-ignored parts of the Constitution.
 
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Spending tax money on Special Interest groups is, and always been completely illegal. It's one of the most-ignored parts of the Constitution.

Be nice if someone able to persuade people, were to stand up and say so, and lay out a plan to stop doing I. While ignoring whiners like g5000's excuses.

Can the Federal Government Constitutionally redistribute wealth? | Page 2 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


Redistribution of wealth is a socialist idea; maybe a Marxist idea. What it all boils down to is simple.....................look at how the left has convinced people to change their minds............in America, everyone strives to be all they can be; in fact, the armed forces use to use that exact phrase. Now, we have been told that those who strived to be all they can be are evil, selfish, hurtful.

Instead of Americans wanting to strive, they would rather take pitchforks to people who have lived the American dream. Instead of trying to live the American dream, they have been taught that those who have, are the ones denying others that life.

Everything has been turned upside down by the lefties. Carnegie didn't stop Jobs. Rockefeller didn't stop Trump either. It is all a fallacy put forth by the left to get one citizen to screw another to get their money.

It is a shame. If this continues, we won't even make it any where near as long as Rome did.
 
Might Donald Trump's emergence, reflect the voters' dissatisfaction with recent trends in American government?

Voters realized that government's main purpose is no longer protecting people's individual rights. Govt has moved into the business of favoring one group over another.

With this change, it has begun imposing its rules and restrictions based not on the complete equality under law demanded by the Constitution, but on constantly-changing standards of "deserving". Such as whether they are minorities, whether they are in unions, whether they own land where the snail darter or spotted owl lives, whether they are poor, etc. (Needless to say, people who have earned and saved a lot of money, are at the bottom of this "favored-group" list.)

So, many of those voters have inserted another qualification on whom they will vote for, for President. Their preferred candidate must be one who will favor them above others.

Since such selfish (and even larcenous) desires are not socially acceptable, they couch it in innocent-sounding phrases such as "I want a candidate who understands me", or "I want a candidate who sympathizes with the problems I am facing".

Back when government's only functions were national defense, coining money, setting standards, dealing with foreign nations, prosecuting certain crimes etc., such "sympathizing" was unnecessary. People tended to vote for the candidate they thought could handle the actual, legitimate functions of government better. And they tended to vote for stern, fatherly figures such as George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Grover Cleveland etc. Leaders whom they thought would enforce the laws impartially and deal with challenges sternly and with some degree of integrity.

But now, government's main function has changed. It spends more and more time and money (especially money) trying to relieve you of the everyday problems in your own personal life (distributing health care, controlling the people around you and regulating what they built, what they sold you, what they said in your hearing, planning your retirement savings for you, deciding for you what your children could eat in school, and generally saving you from your own follies and mistakes). And as a result, more and more voters have now decided that it is more important to have a President they can count on to favor them, more than he favors people not like them.

So we're getting candidates who fight to "give" them health care based on how much they need rather than how hard they work to pay for what they get. Candidates who favor those who "need more", over those who managed to provide their own without the assistance of government. And those candidates get voted for more often than candidates who promise to make sure nobody stops you from earning enough to pay for your own health care. Same for candidates who promise to get you into college due to your skin color or national origin, over candidates who promise to make sure you have the same (and no more) chance to get into college regardless of your skin color... but leave it up to you to pay for it yourself.

Back when such matters were none of government's business, there was no point in voting for the more "sympathetic" candidate. And people would even wonder what kind of slippery trick you were trying to pull if you wanted someone who promised to make sure a pound of grain would weigh more at your mill than at the next town's mill... weights and measures being one of the few legitimate functions of government the candidate would actually be able to influence, in obedience to the Constitution.

And people's response to these governments whose main job is to hand out favors, as they have always responded to socialistic governments throughout history (including govts with those characteristics long before the term "socialism" was invented), is inevitable. Even the people with personal integrity, who wanted to stick to the old rules of actual fairness and impartiality, have started to see that it is now a losing gambit. If they don't try to sway government into favoring them more than their neighbor, they will simply find government favoring them far less and oppressing them even more.

And so, one by one, honest people gradually release their fealty toward stern, impartial government that stays out of their lives. And one by one, they throw in their lot with the people already trying to cadge more favors from government, whether in the name of "making reparations for the wrongs done by previous generations" or "providing health care to those who don't have it (itself a misleading lie)". And they do their best to vote for the candidate who (they will righteously tell you) "understands my own plight a little better" or "sympathizes for people in my particular position". Of course, these are both phrases that boil down to "he will do more good things for me, and relax the regulations a little more for me, than he will for the other guy."

Some people wonder why politicians pushing such favoritism, get so many votes. One explanation sometimes offered, is "voter fraud".

But in a sense, voter fraud isn't just fraud perpetrated AGAINST voters. There's another kind: The subtle fraud perpetrated BY voters against their fellow men, in an attempt to get government "on my side and not on your side".

And though subtle, this other kind of fraud is the most pernicious in the long run, since it causes the remaining fair, upright voters to abandon, one by one, their dedication to truly impartial government, and go over to supporting corruptible, me-over-you government.

And as more people go over to this corruptible, me-over-you government, this puts more pressure on the remaining (and now dwindling) individual citizens who were trying to play fair and maintain their integrity, to give up that integrity, and follow.

Could Trump's in-your-face insistence on doing things the way HE wants them done (many of them matching what a lot of dissatisfied people want done), be a result of so many people being unhappy with the tilt-the-playing-field-toward-that-group function that government has taken on in the last dacade or two?

Many of the people pushing for big government "helping" people, don't intend for society to deteriorate, of course.

But the fact is, that is the inevitable result, when govt tries to "help" people.

1.) It turns into a pushing and shoving match, trying to get govt to help you more than it helps the other guy;
2.) Hardworking people who don't want govt favor, are persuaded one after the other to give up and seek favor anyway. While NO people are ever persuaded to go the other way. The result is a slow slide into dependence, with no particular urge to stop.

We are seeing the United States slide down this path, at an ever-increasing rate. Where people used to vote for Presidents based on how well they would defend the coutry, enforce our laws, and protect our rights, now the President's most ardent supporters crow over how popular he is, what a nice guy he is, and how "unfeeling" the opposing candidates were.

It is a sea change we can ill afford to ignore, and even less afford to indulge in. But is it one that can still be reversed?
People that make the most money have rigged the rules in their favor and they're doing better than ever yet they're who you're worried about?
 
Governments have been investing in infrastructure, science and exploration like since the dawn of civilization. Some of these interest are good for our country...Some aren't.

Not everything is black and white.

Sorry dude,but I can no longer put up with the constant harping on infrastructure.
What we saw when bush took over investing in things the majority of americans want and benefit from like investment in science, public schools, infrastructure and NASA, we now invest less in all these things, gave the rich big tax breaks, and increased how much we spend on haloburton type defense contractors or kock brother type projects.

The rich love pork projects too if they go to their private companies.
 
Spending tax money on Special Interest groups is, and always been completely illegal.

Tax expenditures are paid for with higher tax rates and deficit spending.

So that means they are paid for by spending tax money on special interest groups.

Like I said...EVERYONE is a taker. Unfortunately, a lot of the rubes think their tax deduction means they are getting to keep more of their own money in their pocket when, in fact, they are being robbed.

It's the perfect con. The victim doesn't know he's been taken. Not only that, he screams like a welfare queen if you try to take away the instrument being used to rob him!

Awesome.
 
Governments have been investing in infrastructure, science and exploration like since the dawn of civilization. Some of these interest are good for our country...Some aren't.

Not everything is black and white.

Sorry dude,but I can no longer put up with the constant harping on infrastructure.
What we saw when bush took over investing in things the majority of americans want and benefit from like investment in science, public schools, infrastructure and NASA, we now invest less in all these things, gave the rich big tax breaks, and increased how much we spend on haloburton type defense contractors or kock brother type projects.

The rich love pork projects too if they go to their private companies.
TRANSLATION: I want government to tilt the playing field toward ME and away from those eeeevil other guys.

(sigh)
 
Governments have been investing in infrastructure, science and exploration like since the dawn of civilization. Some of these interest are good for our country...Some aren't.

Not everything is black and white.

Sorry dude,but I can no longer put up with the constant harping on infrastructure.
What we saw when bush took over investing in things the majority of americans want and benefit from like investment in science, public schools, infrastructure and NASA, we now invest less in all these things, gave the rich big tax breaks, and increased how much we spend on haloburton type defense contractors or kock brother type projects.

The rich love pork projects too if they go to their private companies.
TRANSLATION: I want government to tilt the playing field toward ME and away from those eeeevil other guys.

(sigh)

See?...the decline continues...it can't be fixed.

There is no unity in this country..except when it comes to displacing white people and screwing up the country we built..THAT'S where you find unity today..
 

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