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    here....

    People ask me why I have problems with religion. I'll tell you why. Religion is based on scriptures that are barbaric in nature. Luckily no one reads them. Here is a great example of what I'm talking about. Today's bible lesson about warfare.

    From the book of Genesis:

    Genesis 34

    6 Then Shechem's father Hamor went out to talk with Jacob. 7 Now Jacob's sons had come in from the fields as soon as they heard what had happened. They were filled with grief and fury, because Shechem had done a disgraceful thing in Israel by lying with Jacob's daughter—a thing that should not be done.

    8 But Hamor said to them, "My son Shechem has his heart set on your daughter. Please give her to him as his wife. 9 Intermarry with us; give us your daughters and take our daughters for yourselves. 10 You can settle among us; the land is open to you. Live in it, trade in it, and acquire property in it."

    11 Then Shechem said to Dinah's father and brothers, "Let me find favor in your eyes, and I will give you whatever you ask. 12 Make the price for the bride and the gift I am to bring as great as you like, and I'll pay whatever you ask me. Only give me the girl as my wife."

    13 Because their sister Dinah had been defiled, Jacob's sons replied deceitfully as they spoke to Shechem and his father Hamor. 14 They said to them, "We can't do such a thing; we can't give our sister to a man who is not circumcised. That would be a disgrace to us. 15 We will give our consent to you on one condition only: that you become like us by circumcising all your males. 16 Then we will give you our daughters and take your daughters for ourselves. We'll settle among you and become one people with you. 17 But if you will not agree to be circumcised, we'll take our sister and go."

    18 Their proposal seemed good to Hamor and his son Shechem. 19 The young man, who was the most honored of all his father's household, lost no time in doing what they said, because he was delighted with Jacob's daughter. 20 So Hamor and his son Shechem went to the gate of their city to speak to their fellow townsmen. 21 "These men are friendly toward us," they said. "Let them live in our land and trade in it; the land has plenty of room for them. We can marry their daughters and they can marry ours. 22 But the men will consent to live with us as one people only on the condition that our males be circumcised, as they themselves are. 23 Won't their livestock, their property and all their other animals become ours? So let us give our consent to them, and they will settle among us."

    24 All the men who went out of the city gate agreed with Hamor and his son Shechem, and every male in the city was circumcised.

    25 Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob's sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male. 26 They put Hamor and his son Shechem to the sword and took Dinah from Shechem's house and left. 27 The sons of Jacob came upon the dead bodies and looted the city where their sister had been defiled. 28 They seized their flocks and herds and donkeys and everything else of theirs in the city and out in the fields. 29 They carried off all their wealth and all their women and children, taking as plunder everything in the houses.




    See, what happens here is the Israelites get into a treaty with King Hamar, and agree for Dinah to get married to his son, but the Isrealites only agree to it if the whole city gets circumcised.

    Then, when they are still recovering from the circumcisions, the Israelites go back in and kill them all, and take their wealth, women, and children. It's genius.

    But honestly what lesson can we learn from such barbaric low life war tactics? It's lunacy.


    Sadly enough this isn't even that bad of a story compared to many in the bible.
     
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    what about the religions that are not based on scriptures?
     
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    Well I suppose I'd have to look into what they are based on before I passed judgement or speculated on such. Obviously I'm well versed in Christianity. Don't know much about the other religions however. I'm interested in doing some research on other religions though.

    Which religion were you referring to?
     
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    Translation - I love taking scripture about certain things - some of which I refuse to understand, and using it to paint broad brush-strokes about a particular faith.

    (shrug).
     
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    Depending on Sect, Buddhism is not based in scripture.
     
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    I said on another thread that I believe Christianity has a net positive on society. I don't see why that makes it immune to criticism however. And my problems are more with the bible than Christians themselves. It's an book written by savages.
     
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    Do you even know what the culture of the people who followed Hamor was like?
     
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    They can't be any worse than the damn Hebrews.
     
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    well the only religion on know of that is founded in the scriptures you refer to is christianity....that would mean all of the others are not...but if you are going to tell me that hinduism and islam and the rest are founded on christian scrptiures then i am going to laugh at you
     
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    So now you are a 'non-religious' anti-Semite? :eek2:
     

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