Antonio Gonzales - Hypocrite

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    <center><h1><a href=http://www.tompaine.com/articles/its_not_only_illegal_its_wrong.php>It's Just Plain Wrong</a></h1></center>

    <blockquote>In a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Rear Admiral John Hutson pointed out that Mr. Gonzales’ recommendations regarding torture brought increased animosity toward the United States, hurt our intelligence effort, and increased the risks to our troops.

    This is true. Torture IS counterproductive. But actually it’s a lot worse. It’s also just plain wrong .

    That’s why there are so many laws against it. Not because it’s counterproductive...but because it’s just plain wrong. And it is the rule of law that distinguishes us from animals who don’t know right from wrong.

    With some things—like torture, like slavery—well, no matter how many people might say such practices are okay, they are not okay. They are objectively evil. They are morally abhorrent...or, at least, they should be.</blockquote>

    Alberto Gonzales attempted to justify inhumane practices in pursuit of a higher good, but no good can ever come from such practices. They merely serve to desensitize others to those practices and dehumanize those who are the subjects of those practices.

    Mr. Gonzales is a professed born again Christian, yet I don't ever recall Jesus advocating torture. He admonished us to visit prisoners, not torture them. In attempting to rationalize and justify torture and the violation of international human rights accords the US is signatory to, Mr. Gonzales acted contrary to his own self- professed religious beliefs. Like many in the current administration, Mr. Gonzales wears the mantle of religion like a rabid wolf wears sheeps clothing, so it may go ravening amongst the flock.

    Mr. Gonzales, by his words and deeds, has shown himself unfit for the post of Attorney General of the US. He should, in good conscience, remove himself from consideration for this, or any other government post.
     
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    yes, i heard that the democrate opposition doesn't agree, really , because Gonzales encouraged the torture in Abu Grahib's jail.

    This thing wakes up the Bush's opposition.


    But with 55 senators, even if the people disagree, Bush will name him with successfully
     
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    what a crock of horseshit - can you people really believe the guy condones 'torture'? Are you both that naive?
     
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    Guys,guys, guys!!!!

    The "torture" you are referring to is a set of interrogation techniques that don't induce pain or physical harm. "Psy-ops" as they are called include putting prisoners in solitary confinement and subjecting the suspect to loud noise or embarrassment. The "definition" of "torture" that you two are using was cooked up by some branch of the Left Wing. If the US were to follow that definition of torture, we'd be serving the detainees at Gitmo and other prisons cake and coffee during interrogations.

    Secondly, the enemy combatants of the Islamic terrorists are not covered under the protocols of the Geneva Convention which only applies to soldiers. And by soldiers I mean men and women who are wearing uniforms and target military targets. I think that even you two would agree that the detainees at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo don't fit that definition. These detainees purposely have targetted civilians, do not fight by the rules of war as outlined in the Geneva Convention.

    It is interesting that you seem to have more sympathy for a bunch of people that have very likely been involved in massive atrocities than in the people that our troops are trying to protect. Many of these detainees have themselves participated in torture by any stretch of the imagination (Cutting off of limbs, fingers, tongues and so on).
     
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    why "torture" ?
    Fot you, isn't it a real torture ?
     
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    <center><h1><a href=http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=280963>Ten Questions for Alberto Gonzales</a></h1></center>
     
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    He signed off on the memoes condoning what amount s to nothing more, or less, than torture. If you can't understand that, you're a bigger zipper-head than I thought.
     
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    you're a pussy if you call that 'torture'.
     
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    That does not excuse or exempt us from either the Geneva Convention or international law. The simple fact of the matter is that torture is wrong and counterproductive, and no amount of spin can make it otherwise.

    If these people have been involved in attrocities bring them to trial for their crimes, present the evidence in court and, if the evidence warrants, convict them. That is what America stands for or stood for, not secret dententions, not indefinite detention without charge, not torture. I'm sorry if you cannot understand that. If that is what America is to become, then I want no part of it, and I will fight to prevent it from becoming so.
     
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    sorry, I post and have not seen Marx's post.


    THe terrorists are not protected by the geneva convention, but it is not a reason to torture them.
    The European Convention of the Human Rights punish the inhuman treatments and the torture acts.
    I think that the UNO pact of 1966 forbide them too.
    And I think - I hope that USa signed this pact.

    Then, even if terrorists aren't protect by Geneva's convention, USA have to respect the dignity of the Human beeing, of each man, and don't torture people, USA have to not ashame these guys....


    When you told me that they weren't protect by Geneva's treaty, one example came to me : the russians prisonners during the WWII : USSR didn't sign the Geneva convention of 1929, then Hitler make inhuman and very hard treatments to these POW.
    USA are better than the Nazi Germany.


    The fact that these guys are terrorists doesn't mean that USa have all the rights to them.
    Look at france : France is still ashamed by some torture acts in Algeria.

    US acts in Abu Grahib is the same thing (maybe not, in Algeria it was to have some informations about the rebellion, nevermind).
     

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