Antarctic ice

[SwimExpert]

I see you've not gotten any more intelligent in your absence.

Nor Everest taller.

 

[mamooth]

We ... based on Dr. Manabe's work from back in 1991 ... have already pointed out surface sea temps would drop slightly. So, AGW predictions have been proven correct, again.

Tisdale, the master of the cherrypick, is deliberately cherrypicking by looking only at surface sea temps. Go deeper, and temperatures are up.

Oh, Tisdale is also a greenhouse effect denier. Watts ban most of the Sky Dragon Slayers, but for some reason allows Tisdale and Ball.

 

[SwimExpert]

AGW predictions always prove to be correct. That's what happens when you predict wide ranging, contradictory results devoid of any logical connectivity. Global warming will cause the ice caps to melt, and consequently the ice caps to expand. Not to mention colder winters and higher rates of prostitution.

 

[mamooth]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

 

[SwimExpert]

Found a mirror, did you?

 

[jc456]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

 

[Crick]

The one of which you are not a member.

 

[jc456]

The one of which you are not a member.

oh, whew, thank god, I don't want any part of your world.

BTW, get out of my world and go back to yours.

 

[RollingThunder]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

He's referring to the world inhabited by sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science. A world that would be very alien to you, you poor befuddled anti-science retard.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We ... based on Dr. Manabe's work from back in 1991 ... have already pointed out surface sea temps would drop slightly. So, AGW predictions have been proven correct, again.

Tisdale, the master of the cherrypick, is deliberately cherrypicking by looking only at surface sea temps. Go deeper, and temperatures are up.

Oh, Tisdale is also a greenhouse effect denier. Watts ban most of the Sky Dragon Slayers, but for some reason allows Tisdale and Ball.

Yes, the models predict: Cooling, warming, flood, droughts, locust and hurricanes so obviously half the predictions are correct

 

[westwall]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

He's referring to the world inhabited by sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science. A world that would be very alien to you, you poor befuddled anti-science retard.

No, that would be our world. You know, the one that is abandoning you cultists to the dustbin of history.

ABN Amro Becomes Latest Bank to Withdraw From Carbon Trading

ABN Amro Becomes Latest Bank to Withdraw From Carbon Trading - Bloomberg

 

[RollingThunder]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

He's referring to the world inhabited by sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science. A world that would be very alien to you, you poor befuddled anti-science retard.

No, that would be our world. You know, the one that is abandoning you cultists to the dustbin of history.

ABN Amro Becomes Latest Bank to Withdraw From Carbon Trading

ABN Amro Becomes Latest Bank to Withdraw From Carbon Trading - Bloomberg

Your delusions are hilarious, as always, walleyed. This denier cult media-bubble fantasy-land you inhabit looks soooo absurd from the outside, in the real world, where the world scientific community is virtually unanimous in affirming the reality and dangers of AGW/CC and most people in the world can see the developing crisis.

In the real world....

Support for carbon ‘tax’ is growing
The fee-and-dividend model is revenue-neutral and works in other countries.
Howard Brown
PostCrescent.com
July 26, 2014
The voices of the majority of the world’s climate scientists have now been joined by the voices of business and government leaders.

George Shultz, secretary of state under President Ronald Reagan, helped negotiate the most effective global climate treaty ever — the Montreal Accord. He continues to work for what he sees as improvements to national, economic and environmental security by addressing the growing threat of global climate chang.

Most recently, he has joined Henry Paulson, treasury secretary under President George W. Bush, former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg and other ex-government officials from both parties and businessmen in commissioning a far-reaching study called the Risky Business Project.

The project report presents a picture of what may happen to the nation’s economy in a world of unchecked global warming and makes an urgent plea for bipartisan action.

This report echoes an op-ed written by Paulson, who said, “We’re staring down a climate bubble that poses enormous risks to both our environment and economy. The warning signs are clear and growing more urgent as the risks go unchecked.”

While the Risky Business Report and Paulson’s comment warn of great damage to the economy and the enormous costs — hidden and visible — of doing nothing, they also clearly acknowledge the physical damage of rising oceans, drought, wild fires, flooding and other climate damages that have become, are becoming, and will become increasingly frequent. These are among the hidden costs of carbon pollution that are unintended and unpriced that affect society.

From Hurricane Sandy’s devastating blow to the Northeast to the protracted drought that hit the Midwest corn belt, natural catastrophes across the United States pounded insurers last year, generating $35 billion in privately insured property losses, $11 billion more than the average over the last decade.

Most insurers, including the reinsurance companies that bear much of the ultimate risk in the industry, have little time for the arguments heard in some right-wing circles that climate change isn’t happening, and are quite comfortable with the scientific consensus that burning fossil fuels is the main culprit of global warming.

Paulson advocates for a fee-and-dividend approach to carbon dioxide emissions as a way to change behavior of individuals and businesses toward alternative energy sources.

The fee-and-dividend approach is known as Pigovian “taxation.” Not really a tax, it’s a gradually increasing fee reflecting the carbon content of fossil fuels. It creates a revenue stream generated from something that was formerly a problem. Business incentives are created to reduce carbon, all without heavy handed legislation.

The fee is borne by the producer, who will pass it on to the consumer via pricing. It becomes “revenue neutral” by returning its revenue in the form of lump-sum rebates to each buyer, in monthly checks.

This would soften the blow for consumers, while preserving the incentive to explore other alternative energy sources.

This form of taxation isn’t new, and plenty of countries have had taxes that could be described as Pigovian.

Government, political, economic and literary figures including Schultz, Paulson, Thomas Friedman, Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers, Joseph Stiglitz, Charles Krauthammer, Paul Volcker, Arthur Laffer and a majority of economists endorse this approach.

The wisdom, value and practicality of a fee-and-dividend solution have been confirmed by an internationally acclaimed microeconomic modeling company, REMI.

The following are highlights of the national level results of the REMI study in 2025:

• Two million more jobs under the F&D carbon tax than in the baseline.

• A 33 percent reduction in carbon dioxide emissions from baseline conditions.

• Thirteen thousand premature deaths saved from improvements in air quality.

• The F&D rebates return nearly $400 billion in rebates to households.

• Gross domestic product increases between $80 billion and $90 billion.

The problems ahead for the world’s climate and economy are becoming clearer and more urgent. These warnings, often in opposition to political-party ideology, should heighten our sense of urgency, not create an excuse for weak denial excuses or conspiracy theories.

 

[jc456]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

He's referring to the world inhabited by sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science. A world that would be very alien to you, you poor befuddled anti-science retard.

So curious, out of 7 billion people that populate the world, about what percent do you believe are science majors. Let's put this in perspective.

 

[RollingThunder]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

He's referring to the world inhabited by sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science. A world that would be very alien to you, you poor befuddled anti-science retard.

So curious, out of 7 billion people that populate the world, about what percent do you believe are science majors. Let's put this in perspective.

Why would you assume that the sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science HAVE to be "science majors"?

 

[jc456]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

He's referring to the world inhabited by sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science. A world that would be very alien to you, you poor befuddled anti-science retard.

So curious, out of 7 billion people that populate the world, about what percent do you believe are science majors. Let's put this in perspective.

Why would you assume that the sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science HAVE to be "science majors"?

So you have no idea right?

 

[westwall]

And that's why the world is ignoring your cult. Given all the bonehead errors, self-contradictions, the lack of reason and the outright fabrications in the statements of your cult, it all comes across as the jabbering of crazy people.

For the rest of your lives, you'll be screaming in your meaningless echo chambers here on message boards, frantically preaching to the ever-shrinking choir. The world has moved on without you. Enjoy the irrelevance that you've so richly earned.

which world are you refering to?

He's referring to the world inhabited by sane, intelligent, rational people who understand science. A world that would be very alien to you, you poor befuddled anti-science retard.

No, that would be our world. You know, the one that is abandoning you cultists to the dustbin of history.

ABN Amro Becomes Latest Bank to Withdraw From Carbon Trading

ABN Amro Becomes Latest Bank to Withdraw From Carbon Trading - Bloomberg

Your delusions are hilarious, as always, walleyed. This denier cult media-bubble fantasy-land you inhabit looks soooo absurd from the outside, in the real world, where the world scientific community is virtually unanimous in affirming the reality and dangers of AGW/CC and most people in the world can see the developing crisis.

In the real world....

Support for carbon ‘tax’ is growing
The fee-and-dividend model is revenue-neutral and works in other countries.
Howard Brown
PostCrescent.com
July 26, 2014
The voices of the majority of the world’s climate scientists have now been joined by the voices of business and government leaders.

George Shultz, secretary of state under President Ronald Reagan, helped negotiate the most effective global climate treaty ever — the Montreal Accord. He continues to work for what he sees as improvements to national, economic and environmental security by addressing the growing threat of global climate chang.

Most recently, he has joined Henry Paulson, treasury secretary under President George W. Bush, former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg and other ex-government officials from both parties and businessmen in commissioning a far-reaching study called the Risky Business Project.

The project report presents a picture of what may happen to the nation’s economy in a world of unchecked global warming and makes an urgent plea for bipartisan action.

This report echoes an op-ed written by Paulson, who said, “We’re staring down a climate bubble that poses enormous risks to both our environment and economy. The warning signs are clear and growing more urgent as the risks go unchecked.”

While the Risky Business Report and Paulson’s comment warn of great damage to the economy and the enormous costs — hidden and visible — of doing nothing, they also clearly acknowledge the physical damage of rising oceans, drought, wild fires, flooding and other climate damages that have become, are becoming, and will become increasingly frequent. These are among the hidden costs of carbon pollution that are unintended and unpriced that affect society.

From Hurricane Sandy’s devastating blow to the Northeast to the protracted drought that hit the Midwest corn belt, natural catastrophes across the United States pounded insurers last year, generating $35 billion in privately insured property losses, $11 billion more than the average over the last decade.

Most insurers, including the reinsurance companies that bear much of the ultimate risk in the industry, have little time for the arguments heard in some right-wing circles that climate change isn’t happening, and are quite comfortable with the scientific consensus that burning fossil fuels is the main culprit of global warming.

Paulson advocates for a fee-and-dividend approach to carbon dioxide emissions as a way to change behavior of individuals and businesses toward alternative energy sources.

The fee-and-dividend approach is known as Pigovian “taxation.” Not really a tax, it’s a gradually increasing fee reflecting the carbon content of fossil fuels. It creates a revenue stream generated from something that was formerly a problem. Business incentives are created to reduce carbon, all without heavy handed legislation.

The fee is borne by the producer, who will pass it on to the consumer via pricing. It becomes “revenue neutral” by returning its revenue in the form of lump-sum rebates to each buyer, in monthly checks.

This would soften the blow for consumers, while preserving the incentive to explore other alternative energy sources.

This form of taxation isn’t new, and plenty of countries have had taxes that could be described as Pigovian.

Government, political, economic and literary figures including Schultz, Paulson, Thomas Friedman, Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers, Joseph Stiglitz, Charles Krauthammer, Paul Volcker, Arthur Laffer and a majority of economists endorse this approach.

The wisdom, value and practicality of a fee-and-dividend solution have been confirmed by an internationally acclaimed microeconomic modeling company, REMI.

The following are highlights of the national level results of the REMI study in 2025:

• Two million more jobs under the F&D carbon tax than in the baseline.

• A 33 percent reduction in carbon dioxide emissions from baseline conditions.

• Thirteen thousand premature deaths saved from improvements in air quality.

• The F&D rebates return nearly $400 billion in rebates to households.

• Gross domestic product increases between $80 billion and $90 billion.

The problems ahead for the world’s climate and economy are becoming clearer and more urgent. These warnings, often in opposition to political-party ideology, should heighten our sense of urgency, not create an excuse for weak denial excuses or conspiracy theories.

Wow, you have to be a particular breed of stoopid (blunder is the type classification for this, clearly) to see GOVERNMENT LEADERS AND BIG BUSINESS wanting to implement a carbon tax and not going, "gee, I guess it really is all political"!

 

[mamooth]

You'd have to be totally bereft of honesty to deflect with tales of political wrangling when the topic is the science.

But then, if all the science disagrees with you, your choices are either deflect, fudge madly, or invoke a conspiracy theory. Hence, Westwall's posts.

 

[westwall]

You'd have to be totally bereft of honesty to deflect with tales of political wrangling when the topic is the science.

But then, if all the science disagrees with you, your choices are either deflect, fudge madly, or invoke a conspiracy theory. Hence, Westwall's posts.

We KNOW that you're intellectually dishonest based on the fact that you have no science to back you up. The ONLY thing you have, are political statements and science fiction stories called GCM's.

 

[SSDD]

You'd have to be totally bereft of honesty to deflect with tales of political wrangling when the topic is the science.

But then, if all the science disagrees with you, your choices are either deflect, fudge madly, or invoke a conspiracy theory. Hence, Westwall's posts.

We KNOW that you're intellectually dishonest based on the fact that you have no science to back you up. The ONLY thing you have, are political statements and science fiction stories called GCM's.

She really doesn't even have that....what she has is the sort of bitterness found in crazy old cat ladies....she is eaten up with it and comes here to vent in an effort to make others as miserable as she is....nothing more...nothing less.

 

[RollingThunder]

You'd have to be totally bereft of honesty to deflect with tales of political wrangling when the topic is the science.

But then, if all the science disagrees with you, your choices are either deflect, fudge madly, or invoke a conspiracy theory. Hence, Westwall's posts.

We KNOW that you're intellectually dishonest based on the fact that you have no science to back you up. The ONLY thing you have, are political statements and science fiction stories called GCM's.

And the wacked out insanity of the hard core denier cult nutjobs is once again clearly revealed.

"No science"......LOLOLOLOL.......

Scientific opinion on climate change