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[tinydancer]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
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Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

You can't tell the difference between an oil pipeline and a gas line? Who wants this in their neighborhood? Everyone. This is a gas line. Everyone with a gas kitchen stove, heater, hot water heater has gas lines. There are millions of them.

That's true, but oil lines explode, too, and rupture and cause harm to the environment. The people that would have the Keystone pipeline going through their state do not want it, especially since it doesn't even benefit them.

An oil leak triggered by pipeline explosions Friday in the northeastern port city of Dalian had contaminated at least 50 square kilometers of ocean waters as of last night, and local authorities were still rushing to contain the oil.
Oil spill at sea after pipelines explode - China News - SINA English

On December 19, 2010, an oil pipeline in Mexico exploded, killing at least 27 people and injured more than 50.
Anthony Marr Why Pipelines Don t Leak But Explode

A pipeline released fuel oil at Chalk Point near Aquasco, Maryland, on April 7. The Piney Point Oil Pipeline system, which was owned by the Potomac Electric Power Company (Pepco), experienced a pipe failure at the Chalk Point Generating Station in southeastern Prince George's County, Maryland.

On January 21, 2015 a crude oil pipeline pump station caught fire northwest of Texas City, Texas. Texas City

On January 19, 2015 oil from a broken pipeline seeped into the Yellowstone River, and contaminated the water supply 10 miles south of Glendive, Montana.

On October 13, 2014 a Sunoco/Mid-Valley crude oil pipeline ruptured, and spilled about 168,000 gallons of crude oil in Caddo Parish, Louisiana.

On February 5, a pipeline failed and spilled over 192,000 US gallons (730,000 L) of crude oil in the John Heinz National Wildlife Refuge in Pennsylvania.

On August 24, a 6-inch pipeline operated by Chevron failed from alleged external corrosion, spilling 126,000 gallons of crude oil into an unnamed creek, near Snyder, Texas. The creek was dry at the time. Later, a Federal Court ruled that the Clean Water Actdid not apply, since there was no water flowing in the creek at the time.

On August 17, an Oklahoma crude oil pipeline ruptured after being struck by a machine cleaning roadside ditches, sending oil 30 feet (9.1 m) into the air

(more)
List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You're blowing it out your ass Mertex that the states don't want pipelines going thru their states.

The Keystone and the XL do benefit individual states. That's why states have welcomed the construction of pipelines. Tax revenue.

You're late to the party. Why didn't you and Darryl Hannah and Niel Young protest the Keystone southern leg from Cushing to the Gulf that was being built at the same time you guys were protesting the Northern leg?



The Keystone is finished by the way. The XL is just a secondary northern leg of the pipeline that would also pick up Bakken crude from North Dakota and Montana.

Anyways, if you were worried about pipelines crossing America you better get on a pair of Depends because you're going to shit yourself.

Get out there Mertex!!!! Demand all the pipelines be ripped up! You go Mertex!

 

[tinydancer]

For those that are unaware the Keystone pipeline was completed over a year ago and has been in operation since last January. Notice no protests?

This proves that the Keystone XL is a dog and pony show concocted by the President and his idiotic greenies because they are getting great donations from people like Steyer. He put in 80 million dollars during the mid terms.

XL is only the northern leg of an expansion to Keystone phases I, II and III and III b).

Here's the visual .....

 

[tinydancer]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Why Mert, did we get LUCKY it was on the Canadian side of the border? Apparently you care little about our economy being helped by an oil pipeline...

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You'd probably want to stop it, if BED BUGS were endangered by a pipeline!

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?

Did you read the flaming oil got into their sewer system, coming back up through the water pipes, setting stores on fire?

Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

Fucking moron. All construction jobs are temporary.

By this logic no one should have ever built the Hoover Dam or the Golden Gate Bridge or a freaking McDonalds.

It's a positively assinine argument made by left wing lunatics.

 

[Moonglow]

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Why Mert, did we get LUCKY it was on the Canadian side of the border? Apparently you care little about our economy being helped by an oil pipeline...

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You'd probably want to stop it, if BED BUGS were endangered by a pipeline!

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?

Did you read the flaming oil got into their sewer system, coming back up through the water pipes, setting stores on fire?

Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

Fucking moron. All construction jobs are temporary.

By this logic no one should have ever built the Hoover Dam or the Golden Gate Bridge or a freaking McDonalds.

It's a positively assinine argument made by left wing lunatics.

We could use fewer McDonald's......and more Chipolte's...

 

[chikenwing]

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

Just because something creates jobs, even if they aren't temporary as they are here, that doesn't mean that it is worth having or doing, and it certainly doesn't mean that it will have any sort of significant impact on the larger economy.

So this one project, in your rationalized point of view,not being large enough to impact the whole of the economy,its not worth doing?? LOL If that would hold true the vast majority of construction project wouldn't be woth doing.

The real bootm line is its not a public project,you have nothing in the game one way or the other,the opposition is base on emotional nonsense,along with the few pathetic attempts at providing real facts to support your arguments.

Like it wont provide enough jobs what a load of shit that is

 

[NLT]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
(more)
Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

You can't tell the difference between an oil pipeline and a gas line? Who wants this in their neighborhood? Everyone. This is a gas line. Everyone with a gas kitchen stove, heater, hot water heater has gas lines. There are millions of them.

That's true, but oil lines explode, too, and rupture and cause harm to the environment. The people that would have the Keystone pipeline going through their state do not want it, especially since it doesn't even benefit them.

An oil leak triggered by pipeline explosions Friday in the northeastern port city of Dalian had contaminated at least 50 square kilometers of ocean waters as of last night, and local authorities were still rushing to contain the oil.
Oil spill at sea after pipelines explode - China News - SINA English

On December 19, 2010, an oil pipeline in Mexico exploded, killing at least 27 people and injured more than 50.
Anthony Marr Why Pipelines Don t Leak But Explode

A pipeline released fuel oil at Chalk Point near Aquasco, Maryland, on April 7. The Piney Point Oil Pipeline system, which was owned by the Potomac Electric Power Company (Pepco), experienced a pipe failure at the Chalk Point Generating Station in southeastern Prince George's County, Maryland.

On January 21, 2015 a crude oil pipeline pump station caught fire northwest of Texas City, Texas. Texas City

On January 19, 2015 oil from a broken pipeline seeped into the Yellowstone River, and contaminated the water supply 10 miles south of Glendive, Montana.

On October 13, 2014 a Sunoco/Mid-Valley crude oil pipeline ruptured, and spilled about 168,000 gallons of crude oil in Caddo Parish, Louisiana.

On February 5, a pipeline failed and spilled over 192,000 US gallons (730,000 L) of crude oil in the John Heinz National Wildlife Refuge in Pennsylvania.

On August 24, a 6-inch pipeline operated by Chevron failed from alleged external corrosion, spilling 126,000 gallons of crude oil into an unnamed creek, near Snyder, Texas. The creek was dry at the time. Later, a Federal Court ruled that the Clean Water Actdid not apply, since there was no water flowing in the creek at the time.

On August 17, an Oklahoma crude oil pipeline ruptured after being struck by a machine cleaning roadside ditches, sending oil 30 feet (9.1 m) into the air

(more)
List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You're blowing it out your ass Mertex that the states don't want pipelines going thru their states.

The Keystone and the XL does benefit individual states. That's why states have welcomed the construction of pipelines.

You're late to the party. Why didn't you and Darryl Hannah and Niel Young protest the Keystone southern leg from Cushing to the Gulf that was being built at the same time you guys were protesting the Northern leg?



The Keystone is finished by the way. The XL is just a secondary northern leg of the pipeline that would also pick up Bakken crude from North Dakota and Montana.

Anyways, if you were worried about pipelines crossing America you better get on a pair of Depends because you're going to shit yourself.

Get out there Mertex!!!! Demand all the pipelines be ripped up! You go Mertex!

Your are wasting your time TD, mertex is a complete dumbass twat.

 

[Osomir]

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

Just because something creates jobs, even if they aren't temporary as they are here, that doesn't mean that it is worth having or doing, and it certainly doesn't mean that it will have any sort of significant impact on the larger economy.

So this one project, in your rationalized point of view,not being large enough to impact the whole of the economy,its not worth doing?? LOL If that would hold true the vast majority of construction project wouldn't be woth doing.

The real bootm line is its not a public project,you have nothing in the game one way or the other,the opposition is base on emotional nonsense,along with the few pathetic attempts at providing real facts to support your arguments.

Like it wont provide enough jobs what a load of shit that is

When looking at any infrastructure job there are a wealth of externalities to factor into your cost benefit analysis. Just because something has benefits (in this case a few thousand jobs that will last for a two year period) doesn't mean that those benefits will outweigh the costs / concerns.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Non profit "energy" is what we need.
The more sustainable the better ! Lol

 

[Osomir]

Fucking moron. All construction jobs are temporary.

By this logic no one should have ever built the Hoover Dam or the Golden Gate Bridge or a freaking McDonalds.

It's a positively assinine argument made by left wing lunatics.

It has nothing to do with left wing / right wing. It has to do with math and the numbers and how much benefit we are expected to extract over a set period of time vs the costs we are expected to face over that same period of time while also keeping in mind opportunity costs. It is literally a matter of dollars and cents.

 

[Osomir]

Non profit "energy" is what we need.
The more sustainable the better ! Lol

Sustainable energy isn't non-profit energy. Now should it be. the existence of profits helps keep the market competitive and the private market interested in investing in the energy sector.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

"Sustainable", effecient energy like oil, gas and nuclear....

All for it

 

[tinydancer]

Fucking moron. All construction jobs are temporary.

By this logic no one should have ever built the Hoover Dam or the Golden Gate Bridge or a freaking McDonalds.

It's a positively assinine argument made by left wing lunatics.

It has nothing to do with left wing / right wing. It has to do with math and the numbers and how much benefit we are expected to extract over a set period of time vs the costs we are expected to face over that same period of time while also keeping in mind opportunity costs. It is literally a matter of dollars and cents.

Oh this argument that these are just temporary jobs are the left wing lunatics new anti Keystone chant. Make no mistake about it.

Keystone XL is only a pipeline. Nothing more. It is a transportation system. The crude is coming via pipeline, rail and transport truck.

Pick your poison. I'm a mega conservationist and have been since the days of Grassy Narrows and I have researched pipelines vs rail vs truck.

My choice is a pipeline with all the new environmental safeguards that comes with these new projects.

 

[Osomir]

Well in number terms anyone would be correct in pointing out that the fact that these jobs are only temporary (about two years in duration) matter.

It absolutely matters. If I am constructing a 30 year projected cost-benefit analysis of the project two years worth of a couple thousand jobs honestly aren't going to make a big difference. They should absolutely be included, but their impact is likely to be highly marginal.

Thus trying to justify the pipeline construction on jobs isn't very mathematically honest, and congress knows this. The only reason why jobs are being discussed at all in terms of the costs/benefits of this project is because "jobs" holds political capital as a charged buzz word.

In reality these 6,000 or so temporary jobs mean relatively little in terms of the larger discussion of whether or not the project is a good idea.

 

[chikenwing]

I believe that makes 5 major pipeline explosions/leaks so far this month.

comared to the 10 of thousands of miles in use everyday?

yep we have a real problem at hand.
On the flip side,the left has done what they can to see that our systems remain old and in need of repair.

 

[chikenwing]

Well in number terms anyone would be correct in pointing out that the fact that these jobs are only temporary (about two years in duration) matter.

It absolutely matters. If I am constructing a 30 year projected cost-benefit analysis of the project two years worth of a couple thousand jobs honestly aren't going to make a big difference. They should absolutely be included, but their impact is likely to be highly marginal.

Thus trying to justify the pipeline construction on jobs isn't very mathematically honest, and congress knows this. The only reason why jobs are being discussed at all in terms of the costs/benefits of this project is because "jobs" holds political capital as a charged buzz word.

In reality these 6,000 or so temporary jobs mean relatively little in terms of the larger discussion of whether or not the project is a good idea.

Safe bet there sparky ,those studies where done long ago by someone other than you.The building company is way way ahead of you.Try again,you might want to type even longer,that might help.

 

[Osomir]

Well in number terms anyone would be correct in pointing out that the fact that these jobs are only temporary (about two years in duration) matter.

It absolutely matters. If I am constructing a 30 year projected cost-benefit analysis of the project two years worth of a couple thousand jobs honestly aren't going to make a big difference. They should absolutely be included, but their impact is likely to be highly marginal.

Thus trying to justify the pipeline construction on jobs isn't very mathematically honest, and congress knows this. The only reason why jobs are being discussed at all in terms of the costs/benefits of this project is because "jobs" holds political capital as a charged buzz word.

In reality these 6,000 or so temporary jobs mean relatively little in terms of the larger discussion of whether or not the project is a good idea.

Safe bet there sparky ,those studies where done long ago by someone other than you.The building company is way way ahead of you.Try again,you might want to type even longer,that might help.

Your response doesn't make any contextual sense, nor does it address my point.

Also, if a few sentences is considered too long of a reply for you then you might want to rethink how confident you are in your ability to discuss political topics in an adult manner.

 

[Osomir]

The real economic benefits of such a project don't come from the number of temporary jobs created. There is no mathematical reason to focus on them. Any real benefits in this case come from things like rents collected on land use, and revenue generated from taxes on goods (in this case oil) passing through our territory. It is these variables that we really should be focused on and comparing to environmental risks and other associated costs. Jobs are marginal, and are only really useful as political talking points.

 

[chikenwing]

Well in number terms anyone would be correct in pointing out that the fact that these jobs are only temporary (about two years in duration) matter.

It absolutely matters. If I am constructing a 30 year projected cost-benefit analysis of the project two years worth of a couple thousand jobs honestly aren't going to make a big difference. They should absolutely be included, but their impact is likely to be highly marginal.

Thus trying to justify the pipeline construction on jobs isn't very mathematically honest, and congress knows this. The only reason why jobs are being discussed at all in terms of the costs/benefits of this project is because "jobs" holds political capital as a charged buzz word.

In reality these 6,000 or so temporary jobs mean relatively little in terms of the larger discussion of whether or not the project is a good idea.

Safe bet there sparky ,those studies where done long ago by someone other than you.The building company is way way ahead of you.Try again,you might want to type even longer,that might help.

Your response doesn't make any contextual sense, nor does it address my point.

Also, if a few sentences is considered too long of a reply for you then you might want to rethink how confident you are in your ability to discuss political topics in an adult manner.

Or long winded nonsense that you think makes you look smarter than you are,good smoke screen I will give you that.

You a poster on a political blog thinking he understand al;l the economic ups and downs about a project that is way over your head in many ways to begin with,thinking he knows more than the people have long since done all the studies. Private funds,it make economic sense to them,but not to you. LOL

The only one that is stuck on the temp job shlick is you,rational people understand construction jobs are always temp.the long term money benefits big or small matter not,it will create commerce,you do understand that term right?

 

[Osomir]

Well in number terms anyone would be correct in pointing out that the fact that these jobs are only temporary (about two years in duration) matter.

It absolutely matters. If I am constructing a 30 year projected cost-benefit analysis of the project two years worth of a couple thousand jobs honestly aren't going to make a big difference. They should absolutely be included, but their impact is likely to be highly marginal.

Thus trying to justify the pipeline construction on jobs isn't very mathematically honest, and congress knows this. The only reason why jobs are being discussed at all in terms of the costs/benefits of this project is because "jobs" holds political capital as a charged buzz word.

In reality these 6,000 or so temporary jobs mean relatively little in terms of the larger discussion of whether or not the project is a good idea.

Safe bet there sparky ,those studies where done long ago by someone other than you.The building company is way way ahead of you.Try again,you might want to type even longer,that might help.

Your response doesn't make any contextual sense, nor does it address my point.

Also, if a few sentences is considered too long of a reply for you then you might want to rethink how confident you are in your ability to discuss political topics in an adult manner.

Or long winded nonsense that you think makes you look smarter than you are,good smoke screen I will give you that.

You a poster on a political blog thinking he understand al;l the economic ups and downs about a project that is way over your head in many ways to begin with,thinking he knows more than the people have long since done all the studies. Private funds,it make economic sense to them,but not to you. LOL

The only one that is stuck on the temp job shlick is you,rational people understand construction jobs are always temp.the long term money benefits big or small matter not,it will create commerce,you do understand that term right?

I find your ranting amusing as I have done these "reports" professionally. Thus, I am curious what long run commerce benefits you are envisioning from this project? Basic maintenance responsibilities? hardly impactful.

 

[Mertex]

Another hysterical know nothing trying to sound like it does. Pipeline companies are some of the most uptight fussy people ever,there is much at risk,and their safety programs are very closely run.The typical lft wing mime that its all profit and they care nothing for safety is pure propaganda,or lies .

Shut down the 10s of thousand of miles of pipelines and the OP would be the 1st to start blubbering about being cold,or having to walk,hypocrites one and all.

Pipeline companies may take all the precautions to make sure their pipelines are safe, and yet, we hear of so many leaks, ruptures and explosions....and with Republicans in Congress wanting to do away with regulations, you are just adding more fuel to the fire....pun intended.

As for your 2nd line.......don't be inane.....my house is all electric.