ancient history or religion

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    I love ancient history, I just like to know stuff about this and that.

    But when I think about studies on Egypt or Greek mythology, doesn't that consist of studying religion?

    Outside of the daily lives of the egyptians everything they did pretty much pertained to the worship of gods.
    Greek mytology is purely the study of Gods.
    In my book thats religion.
    If we do not speak of the bible to which every good historian and archeologist keeps close at hand because of its accuracy on historical events how could we possibly allow the study or mention of these other religions?
     
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    I'm not certain where you're going with this. Are you referring to the "separation of church and state" issue?
     
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    yes as a matter of fact I am, what I would like to bring into discussion is educational institution to include public schools.
    If we remove christian identity or even religious eduction, what exactly is that?
    Can we remove one without removing the other in its true form of the deffinition?


    This is something I normally discuss on an extra board but I am sure it will fit in.
    If I think about it, you cant make anyone go to church or even believe in a religion, Especially in this country.
    Our constituion calls for seperation of church and state. I support that notion because not all churches tend to agree with the other nor does any specific religion.

    I am a simple christian. I have read the bible but I dont go to a church. That's just not for me in that sence. Especially when some preachers and pastors seem to have their own agenda or their own interpetations of the bible.

    Having said that, there are some things that puzzle me.
    If we remove all religion from public schools and even identity charms such as crossed and signs of the fish. Shouldn't that same rule aplly to all religions?

    Islam, Judaism buddism and even hari chrishnas?
    If teachers are being repremanded for wearing a pair of Cross earrings or students being suspended for wearing t-shirts that say I believe? shouldn't muslims and Jews be removed from the school as well for wearing certain Garbs and headgear?
     
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    There are Bible Lit courses offered at the HS level. The assumption would be that you could not study the Bible at all in Public schools but you would be wrong. Just as with Greek and Roman Mythology, the Bible is often a course one can take.
     
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    Fair enough on that issue for now but lets go a step further

    Whats your opinion here?
     
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    Egyptian and Greek mythology are taught as enhancements to the study of ancient Egyptian and Greek history. These topics are relevant based on Greek and Egyptian contributions to the civilization of mankind. Since there's no argument that ancient Christians made significant contributions as well, how about offering a course in ancient Christian history also? The question is, how long will it take your kids to make the parallel between Greek mythology and Christian mythology?
     
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    In France they outlawed such things in their schools as they have no gaurantee that they can freely express their religion in their public lives.

    However in the US we have the right to free expression of our religion, it is comprised in the First Amendment.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    (the bold is of course mine)

    My children will be allowed to wear Buddhist symbols if they wish, your children will be allowed to wear Christian symbolism. Because of the gaurantee that we have the right to that freedom of expression, there can be no laws that would remove this symbology from the schools.

    Classes in religion are a large part of HS classes that one can take, their symbolism and the knowledge can be invaluable within our society so that one can understand the differences that compromise our diverse culture. To remove that settles Secular Humanism as the official religion of the US and would again violate the 1st Amendment.

    The 1st Amendment did not separate people from their religion when they become part of the Government and it is expected that they would use their moral structures and religion in their public as well as private life. They also have a right to freedom of expression for their religion.
     
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    I disagree with you on this statement. There is nothing in "my" Constitution about separation of Church and State.
     
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    yes we can. its called a private school. religion has no place in school.
    if you want your child to be taught about the bible or whatever, enroll him/ her in a christian, or jewish, or catholic school.

    there would be a reason for this. no one wants the church to run the government, or the government to run the church. that would be a goat rope either way.

    wouldnt know about that. i have no use for religion

    yes it should. whats good for one religion needs to be good for all of them.
     
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    Rage, I'm taking your post to mean, can we teach about religion as a factor in history? My answer is an overwhelming yes. All religions have played a large part in both regional and world histories, and it would be unwise to teach the youth of America about history without including such a major component of history.
    As to wearing religious articles in school, I think no1tovote4 nailed it.
     

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