An Intransigent President

Dem's don't want to cut back on government period.

That's it exactly. The Dems think the only problem is political and the GOP is simply ginning this up for gain. They can't understand why the GOP wont just roll over and increase the debt limit, like every time before. If there is a problem, the Democratic solution is to raise taxes so they can put in even more social programs and wasteful crap.

What's really funny is how Obama himself was dead set against raising the debt limit in '06 when Bush was President.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies." - Barack Obama, 2006

For once Mr. President, I completley agree with you. The fact that we are here today $14 trillion in debt and you are requesting to raise the debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Nobody better represents failure more than you do Barack Hussein.
That's a little different though. At the time, Bush was out of control spending money on a war he started in Iraq. Why should we raise the debt ceiling just so we can spend even more money over there?

Obama is doing his best to try to get out of those stupid wars which is the real money spender and actually trying to help the people of this country. Besides, we wouldn't even need to raise the debt ceiling if taxes were where they should be.
 
Sallow,
Social Security is the most expensive.
General Welfare does not mean socialism. You have been brainwashed by the liberals.
 
They very thing that government is suppose to be doing. Defense.
Not Social Programs. All of the social programs are the ones that are costing to much.

Yep.

Defense.

Explain to me how invading almost every nation in the world is defense? With a few possible exceptions, WWII and Afghanistan come to mind..I can't think of many military actions that this country participated in..as aiding to the Defense of the Homeland. Can you?

And there NOTHING in the constitution that prohibits spending on social programs.

In fact..the GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE covers it.

You are completely inaccurate on your constitutional statements. I encourage you to read the document before commenting on it. "General welfare" does not mean providing food, housing, and healthcare to individuals. General welfare means things like the billions the federal government gave to the city of NY to clean up the horrific disaster left by the 9/11 attacks. The city could not afford the clean up and leaving that would have crippled the US (it is the financial hub of the entire nation). You take GENERAL and conveniently interpret that is individual. The 9/11 clean up did not go to individuals, it went to the city to "provide for the general welfare". The Social programs are simply unconstitutional. The federal government has 18 enumerated powers, and that is not one of them. What is sad is that it would be perfectly constitutional if the states did it - but greedy liberals want to get their hands on everyone's money, not just the money of people in their own state.

Social Security is constitutional; it was ruled to be constitutional in the 1930's.
 
They very thing that government is suppose to be doing. Defense.
Not Social Programs. All of the social programs are the ones that are costing to much.

Yep.

Defense.

Explain to me how invading almost every nation in the world is defense? With a few possible exceptions, WWII and Afghanistan come to mind..I can't think of many military actions that this country participated in..as aiding to the Defense of the Homeland. Can you?

And there NOTHING in the constitution that prohibits spending on social programs.

In fact..the GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE covers it.

You are completely inaccurate on your constitutional statements. I encourage you to read the document before commenting on it. "General welfare" does not mean providing food, housing, and healthcare to individuals. General welfare means things like the billions the federal government gave to the city of NY to clean up the horrific disaster left by the 9/11 attacks. The city could not afford the clean up and leaving that would have crippled the US (it is the financial hub of the entire nation). You take GENERAL and conveniently interpret that is individual. The 9/11 clean up did not go to individuals, it went to the city to "provide for the general welfare". The Social programs are simply unconstitutional. The federal government has 18 enumerated powers, and that is not one of them. What is sad is that it would be perfectly constitutional if the states did it - but greedy liberals want to get their hands on everyone's money, not just the money of people in their own state.

I've read it multiple times.

Feel free to point out those prohibitions.

And while you are at it..show me where it authorizes the building of planes, ICBMs, the CIA, the NSA, the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, the Air Force..and any number of "offensive" government initiatives in regards to the military.

Go on chief.

Double dog dare ya.
 
Sallow,
Social Security is the most expensive.
General Welfare does not mean socialism. You have been brainwashed by the liberals.

No..the military is by far the most expensive.

Lots of spending is "secret" and if Veteran's entitlements would be added..it would be off the charts. That's why benefits are kept out of the scoring.
 
Yep.

Defense.

Explain to me how invading almost every nation in the world is defense? With a few possible exceptions, WWII and Afghanistan come to mind..I can't think of many military actions that this country participated in..as aiding to the Defense of the Homeland. Can you?

And there NOTHING in the constitution that prohibits spending on social programs.

In fact..the GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE covers it.

You are completely inaccurate on your constitutional statements. I encourage you to read the document before commenting on it. "General welfare" does not mean providing food, housing, and healthcare to individuals. General welfare means things like the billions the federal government gave to the city of NY to clean up the horrific disaster left by the 9/11 attacks. The city could not afford the clean up and leaving that would have crippled the US (it is the financial hub of the entire nation). You take GENERAL and conveniently interpret that is individual. The 9/11 clean up did not go to individuals, it went to the city to "provide for the general welfare". The Social programs are simply unconstitutional. The federal government has 18 enumerated powers, and that is not one of them. What is sad is that it would be perfectly constitutional if the states did it - but greedy liberals want to get their hands on everyone's money, not just the money of people in their own state.

Swallow is wrong in everything he believes and everything he writes The GOP ought to ask him how to solve the debt ceiling and budget issue and then do the opposite.

And you're a fucking faggot that's wrong and completely nuts.

No 'swallow' for you chief.

Ever.

Fucking Anti-American faggotiod Secessionist bastard.

And a punk too.
 
That's absolutely incorrect.

In fact the republicans are opposing 400 billion in spending cuts to the military.

The most expensive component to the government.

It's the only thing they ever want to cut, despite the fact that it bites us in the ass everytime.

Aren't you the one that claimed government created jobs by being a huge customer of the publics?

That's a hint. :eusa_whistle:

That would be a huge comsumer of the private sector.

The government buys hardware from General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, General Electric, Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, L-3 Communications, United Technologies, SAIC, KBR, Computer Sciences Corporation, Honeywell, AM Electric - to name a few.

These companies could be building things for the government, that if used, didn't kill people.
That would be money well spent.

Doncha think?

Or we could just cut it. And not spend.

:lol:

They do. Except for KBR.

but then what would obama drop on people if we were not forcing democracy on the ME in places like lybia, yemen, and syria?

Seriously, the defense money that's spent gives the country the bang for the buck, everything else is over loaded with bueracrazy. [not that the DoD is immune]
 
That's it exactly. The Dems think the only problem is political and the GOP is simply ginning this up for gain. They can't understand why the GOP wont just roll over and increase the debt limit, like every time before. If there is a problem, the Democratic solution is to raise taxes so they can put in even more social programs and wasteful crap.

What's really funny is how Obama himself was dead set against raising the debt limit in '06 when Bush was President.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies." - Barack Obama, 2006

For once Mr. President, I completley agree with you. The fact that we are here today $14 trillion in debt and you are requesting to raise the debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Nobody better represents failure more than you do Barack Hussein.
That's a little different though. At the time, Bush was out of control spending money on a war he started in Iraq. Why should we raise the debt ceiling just so we can spend even more money over there?

Obama is doing his best to try to get out of those stupid wars which is the real money spender and actually trying to help the people of this country. Besides, we wouldn't even need to raise the debt ceiling if taxes were where they should be.

Sorry, spending money on national security makes a lot more sense than spending money on Communism/Socialism like Barack Hussein is doing. And you can't explain away his comments. He clearly stated that asking to raise the debt limit was a sign of the govenrment's inability to spend and budget properly and leadership failure. Those are his own words. He is nothing more than a lowly community organizer and he thinks like a lowly community organizer, which is why this nation is collapsing while he is in the White House.
 
That's absolutely incorrect.

In fact the republicans are opposing 400 billion in spending cuts to the military.

The most expensive component to the government.

It's the only thing they ever want to cut, despite the fact that it bites us in the ass everytime.

Aren't you the one that claimed government created jobs by being a huge customer of the publics?

That's a hint. :eusa_whistle:

That would be a huge comsumer of the private sector.

The government buys hardware from General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, General Electric, Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, L-3 Communications, United Technologies, SAIC, KBR, Computer Sciences Corporation, Honeywell, AM Electric - to name a few.

These companies could be building things for the government, that if used, didn't kill people.

That would be money well spent.

Doncha think?

Or we could just cut it. And not spend.

:lol:

Your rationale makes no sense there. The government takes half of the money that General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, General Electric, Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, L-3 Communications, United Technologies, SAIC, KBR, Computer Sciences Corporation, Honeywell, AM Electric earns, but then you think the govenrment is doing them a favor by "buying" stuff from them?!?! So, the government takes their money, then gives it back to them in return for their products and services? So essentially, the govenrment gets their products and services for nothing. Because the money they exchanged already belonged to those companies - they just gave it back to them. No wonder the economy is collapsing when liberals think like that.

The government takes money from company A, then uses that money they just took to purchase a product or service from company A. Company A had to spend money to manufacture that product or pay the salary for that service, which means it's a net loss over all. Wow. Just wow.
 
Dem's don't want to cut back on government period.

That's it exactly. The Dems think the only problem is political and the GOP is simply ginning this up for gain. They can't understand why the GOP wont just roll over and increase the debt limit, like every time before. If there is a problem, the Democratic solution is to raise taxes so they can put in even more social programs and wasteful crap.

They've promised so much to so many, they can't back down. They've bought their jobs and now the bill is due... and there is no money.

It's over.... it's gonna get ugly as it becomes more evident as each day passes what a fraud progressivism really is.
 
Sallow,
Social Security is the most expensive.
General Welfare does not mean socialism. You have been brainwashed by the liberals.

No..the military is by far the most expensive.

Lots of spending is "secret" and if Veteran's entitlements would be added..it would be off the charts. That's why benefits are kept out of the scoring.

No, if you add all the social programs they are the most expensive.
You add Pensions,Health Care and Welfare,they are by far the most expensive.
Once again, that is what our constitution says that government is suppose to be doing. Defense and veteran entitlements.
 
What's really funny is how Obama himself was dead set against raising the debt limit in '06 when Bush was President.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies." - Barack Obama, 2006

For once Mr. President, I completley agree with you. The fact that we are here today $14 trillion in debt and you are requesting to raise the debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Nobody better represents failure more than you do Barack Hussein.
That's a little different though. At the time, Bush was out of control spending money on a war he started in Iraq. Why should we raise the debt ceiling just so we can spend even more money over there?

Obama is doing his best to try to get out of those stupid wars which is the real money spender and actually trying to help the people of this country. Besides, we wouldn't even need to raise the debt ceiling if taxes were where they should be.

Sorry, spending money on national security makes a lot more sense than spending money on Communism/Socialism like Barack Hussein is doing. And you can't explain away his comments. He clearly stated that asking to raise the debt limit was a sign of the govenrment's inability to spend and budget properly and leadership failure. Those are his own words. He is nothing more than a lowly community organizer and he thinks like a lowly community organizer, which is why this nation is collapsing while he is in the White House.

This is surprising. No one had a problem when George Walker was spending money on Fascist/Theocratic programs. This failed drunken driving corporatist (Who took money from public programs to enrich himself when he "ran" businesses) caused a national econmic collapse almost single handely and failed to capture one of the worst and most vile terrorists ever to attack this country. And utterly failed. He did this while destroying a nation that didn't attack us in 9/11 (or at all) and left us will the bill.

Is this the way conservatives operate? By electing people that were convicted of crimes to the Presidency? Do they think that low of the office? George Walker was the first man ever convicted of anything to occupy the office.
 
Sallow,
Social Security is the most expensive.
General Welfare does not mean socialism. You have been brainwashed by the liberals.

No..the military is by far the most expensive.

Lots of spending is "secret" and if Veteran's entitlements would be added..it would be off the charts. That's why benefits are kept out of the scoring.

No, if you add all the social programs they are the most expensive.
You add Pensions,Health Care and Welfare,they are by far the most expensive.
Once again, that is what our constitution says that government is suppose to be doing. Defense and veteran entitlements.

Then why aren't veteran entitlements scored as military spending? Eh?
 
Yep.

Defense.

Explain to me how invading almost every nation in the world is defense? With a few possible exceptions, WWII and Afghanistan come to mind..I can't think of many military actions that this country participated in..as aiding to the Defense of the Homeland. Can you?

And there NOTHING in the constitution that prohibits spending on social programs.

In fact..the GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE covers it.

You are completely inaccurate on your constitutional statements. I encourage you to read the document before commenting on it. "General welfare" does not mean providing food, housing, and healthcare to individuals. General welfare means things like the billions the federal government gave to the city of NY to clean up the horrific disaster left by the 9/11 attacks. The city could not afford the clean up and leaving that would have crippled the US (it is the financial hub of the entire nation). You take GENERAL and conveniently interpret that is individual. The 9/11 clean up did not go to individuals, it went to the city to "provide for the general welfare". The Social programs are simply unconstitutional. The federal government has 18 enumerated powers, and that is not one of them. What is sad is that it would be perfectly constitutional if the states did it - but greedy liberals want to get their hands on everyone's money, not just the money of people in their own state.

Social Security is constitutional; it was ruled to be constitutional in the 1930's.

Just because a liberal/communist/socialist appointed court "rules" something is constitutional, doesn't actualy make it constitutional. That's like saying OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are innocent just because a jury didn't find them guilty. They still committed the murders, they just got away with it because they had a jury that wanted them to get away with it. And Social Security is 100% unconstitutional - it just was ruled by communists who wanted the government to get away with it. Obamacare is 100% unconstitutional as well, but a few liberal/communist/socialist idiot judges have ruled it "constitutional" because they want Obama to get away with this.
 
The politicians most responsible for America's debt crisis are portrayed by the media as "grown-ups" while those least responsible for it are dubbed "intransigent." Veteran profligate spenders have been credited in recent days with a "balanced approach" to the crisis, even as Tea Partiers in Congress with no fingerprints on the debt have been cast as recklessly indifferent to it.
The mainstream media exclusively defines "intransigence" as conservative opposition to non-negotiable liberal demands. Hence, President Obama 's willingness to risk default rather than drop his insistence on tax increases isn't considered intransigent and reckless but principled and mature.

The American Spectator : An Intransigent President

So when D's do cuts at a rate of $3 for every $1 they are asking for in cuts, they somehow become equal (in your mind) to being just as bad as the R's because they don't whimper and fold when the R's retain their "party of No" title?

Are you aware that most Americans get that the Tea Party and R's are at fault in this debacle, and your lot has merrily thrown away 2012 with both hands?
 
The politicians most responsible for America's debt crisis are portrayed by the media as "grown-ups" while those least responsible for it are dubbed "intransigent." Veteran profligate spenders have been credited in recent days with a "balanced approach" to the crisis, even as Tea Partiers in Congress with no fingerprints on the debt have been cast as recklessly indifferent to it.
The mainstream media exclusively defines "intransigence" as conservative opposition to non-negotiable liberal demands. Hence, President Obama 's willingness to risk default rather than drop his insistence on tax increases isn't considered intransigent and reckless but principled and mature.

The American Spectator : An Intransigent President

Are you aware that most Americans get that the Tea Party and R's are at fault in this debacle, and your lot has merrily thrown away 2012 with both hands?

No, we don't get it because it's utter bullshit... just like Barry's claim that 80% of Americans want their taxes raised. It's all a lie.
 
Just because a liberal/communist/socialist appointed court "rules" something is constitutional, doesn't actualy make it constitutional. That's like saying OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are innocent just because a jury didn't find them guilty. They still committed the murders, they just got away with it because they had a jury that wanted them to get away with it. And Social Security is 100% unconstitutional - it just was ruled by communists who wanted the government to get away with it. Obamacare is 100% unconstitutional as well, but a few liberal/communist/socialist idiot judges have ruled it "constitutional" because they want Obama to get away with this.

1. learn terms and definitions. you're supremely ignorant and using terms interchangeably which do not mean the same thing.
2. if the high court says it's constitutional, it is... lower courts are just that... lower courts. that's what there are avenues for appeal.
3. oj and casey anthony were never found innocent, ijit... they were found 'not guilty'. perhaps that means the same thing in your narrow little mind... but not to most people.

sucks being you.
 
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It's the only thing they ever want to cut, despite the fact that it bites us in the ass everytime.

Aren't you the one that claimed government created jobs by being a huge customer of the publics?

That's a hint. :eusa_whistle:

That would be a huge comsumer of the private sector.

The government buys hardware from General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, General Electric, Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, L-3 Communications, United Technologies, SAIC, KBR, Computer Sciences Corporation, Honeywell, AM Electric - to name a few.

These companies could be building things for the government, that if used, didn't kill people.

That would be money well spent.

Doncha think?

Or we could just cut it. And not spend.

:lol:

Your rationale makes no sense there. The government takes half of the money that General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, General Electric, Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, L-3 Communications, United Technologies, SAIC, KBR, Computer Sciences Corporation, Honeywell, AM Electric earns, but then you think the govenrment is doing them a favor by "buying" stuff from them?!?! So, the government takes their money, then gives it back to them in return for their products and services? So essentially, the govenrment gets their products and services for nothing. Because the money they exchanged already belonged to those companies - they just gave it back to them. No wonder the economy is collapsing when liberals think like that.

The government takes money from company A, then uses that money they just took to purchase a product or service from company A. Company A had to spend money to manufacture that product or pay the salary for that service, which means it's a net loss over all. Wow. Just wow.

No it doesn't.

What are you insane?

Most of them pay nothing in taxes. Quite a few of them get MONEY BACK from the government.

Holy shit.
 

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