An Essay On the Right and the Left

Annie

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I would say that in many ways this encapsulates much of what has been posted here for several months now:

http://www.accidentalverbosity.com/comments.php?id=P602_0_1_0

So.
I know I've more or less stopped posting, and it really isn't an intentional thing. It's just that I can't take politics anymore, and pretty much everything in life is political on one level or another, so I'm not left with much to talk about.

I can't take politics anymore because the last of the attempts at honesty have gone out of the thing, and we're down to side A trying to brainwash side B into believing that Side B has already been brainwashed by the evil leaders of side B, with--and this is the part that's wearing me out--absolutely no reference to reality. (For those who will surely think to themselves that it is in fact side B doing the brainwashing...well, that's part of what I mean by 'no reference to reality.') Facts have become irrelevant to an increasingly large group of people, and it frightens me.

The blogosphere, of course, has featured folks from side A acting beyond wacky for quite some time, and I dismissed their behavior, thinking that of course those who were motivated enough to actually blog about such matters were probably prone to a rhetorical flourish here and there, and I ignored it. It has, however, since spread to people close to me whom I would have thought would be immune to it. I have a very good friend who I can't even bear to talk to anymore because of her conviction that a certain overweight filmmaker is more credible than the President of the United States. No amount of information, regardless of source (I quoted Clinton at her without making a dent), can sway her conviction that George W. Bush is the embodiment of evil.

This so-called friend actually asked me not to vote.

Bejus.

You know, I hate to sound melodramatic, but the way I figure it we're more or less engaged in a struggle for the future of Western Civilization here. We take one path and live happily ever after, we take the other and we get to play Dark Ages again. I tend to think that in the long run we'll head the right way, but the thought of taking any detours just exhausts me. I don't exactly fear a Kerry presidency, I just get terribly tired even thinking about it. For that matter, I don't even fear the folks like my friend (though the collectivism at the heart of her politics is what will destroy us if anything will). I really do believe that we're the good guys, and that we'll get ourselves straightened out and the values we've traditionally held dear will triumph in the end. It's just a matter of time and carnage.

You see, that's the bit that makes me tired. I don't really believe that John Kerry would actually allow this country to be destroyed on his watch. I really don't. I think that what he would ultimately have to do during his term in office wouldn't look that much different in the end from what Bush would have to do. What I am convinced of, however, is that he would only do those things when forced to by events, and I would far rather be proactive than reactive (though what we are doing now is reactive in the sense that 9/11 made many things apparent that weren't so apparent before).

I am exhausted by the thought that it may take one or more additional attacks at at least a 9/11 level of devastation before we get serious all over again about putting a stop to it. I fear that it may take losing a city. I think that our best chance of avoiding that is to continue on the path we've started, and I don't think interrupting that progress is in our best interests.

And despite the support from the little corner of the blogosphere I hang out in, I'm starting to be a bit nervous about whether we're going to pull off the interstate here and take the two-lane scenic route. It may be more attractive, but sometimes you really can't afford to kick back and take it easy. Sometimes you've got to just get the miles behind you.

There are an awful lot of people who have fallen back into that 9/10 mindset. I can't really blame them. I'd rather be there myself. I'm well aware that I'm lucky to have experienced the bit of history that I did, that we lived in an amazing time there for a little while between the end of the Cold War and September 11, 2001, when the threat of large-scale nuclear disaster had lifted and a body could feel 100% safe from the terrors of war simply by the grace of being on American soil. That's the feeling I want to have again, dammit. That's a feeling I want my daughter to someday know.

The problem at the moment seems to be that it is such an attractive feeling that folks are going right on ahead with it now, at a time when it is unfounded and therefore dangerous. Unfortunately, this danger is multiplied many-fold by the fact that the natural allies of those who do not believe that there is a continuing threat are those who believe that there is, but that it can only be mitigated through self-flagellation--by changing who we are as a people--which is the very thing that we are fighting to prevent. The first attitude is regrettable. The second is not only dangerous, but nauseating in its failure to recognize its own irony: it would, if successful, eliminate its own right to exist. If you walk down that path far enough, you find a Dark Age.

I don't, as I've said, believe that we'll get to that point, but the natural alliance between those who see no danger and those who misidentify it is something I find worrisome. It has seemed lately that what used to be a mere fringe on the left has become more of a decorative border, and soon I fear that it it will become most of the garment. A year ago, the friend I mentioned above thought that same-sex marriage would be a very good thing, and that the War was also a very good thing, that such things went hand in hand as freedom and freedom secured. Eight months ago, she decided that same-sex marriage was more important than the War, and changed her party affiliation. Now she is convinced that George W. Bush is a greater threat to freedom than the folks who are intent on killing us.

I'm abusing my poor friend here to make the point, but I think by now we've probably all seen it happen. The far left seems to be acting like the red sock that somehow makes its way into a load of whites. (Some would argue that the same thing is happening on the right, but that, once again, is part of what I mean by 'no reference to reality.')

I hate to belabor the point, but There.Is.A.War.On., whether we choose to acknowledge that or not. I'd personally rather acknowledge it, deal with it, and, quite frankly, get it the hell over with. It isn't going to go away if we ignore it: it will simply take longer and quite possibly cost more lives. I don't like it, either, but there it is. Somehow, sitting around arguing about whether I'm required to pay Michael Moore before I'm allowed to criticize his film seems a little goofy at this point, since the bigger problem of whether we'll have a film industry to distribute his work in, say, 10 years is one that is yet unsolved.

Here's to hoping any detour we take isn't too long.

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Posted by: Deb on Jun 28, 04
 
I certainly can identify would her fatigue and frustration. Truth has most definately taken a back seat to the hunger for power. Thanks for your efforts Deb and fortunately there are others who agree with your efforts in being truth monger. While tired, I still find the time and energy to continue the fight for truth . We simply cannot afford not to. America cannot survive on a regular diet of lies. I simply will not give up my hope nor my belief that truth will triumph. Repetition may get boring but it's also the mother of learning.
 
I've had friendships come to an end recently. One of them a good friend from college who, when he realized he had no good arguments, just decided that I was a bad person.
 
Things are getting tougher and tougher politically unfortunately. Thanks for the article Kathianne.

Fortunately for me, I haven't lost any friends over political reasons. It's just not that important to me when compared to friendship. Understandably, RWA you were not the one who ended the friendship.
 
Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
Things are getting tougher and tougher politically unfortunately. Thanks for the article Kathianne.

Fortunately for me, I haven't lost any friends over political reasons. It's just not that important to me when compared to friendship. Understandably, RWA you were not the one who ended the friendship.

Is that a slap at me? Yes. It's understandable for others to want to end friendships with me and not the other way around. :rolleyes:

Thanks a lot.
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Is that a slap at me? Yes. It's understandable for others to want to end friendships with me and not the other way around. :rolleyes:

Thanks a lot.


You been chasin all the chicks and dumpin em again RW?
 
No it wasn't. Read the very last sentence of my post. I wrote that I understood that you were not the one who ended the friendship.

Some people just take things too far or seriously. When politics starts ruining friendships (like it did in your situation unfortunately) I think people just need to kick back and look at the bigger picture.

I have friends who are more conservative than me. I know with some of them I can debate with and others I cannot. I value my friendship with them so I don't debate with them.

If your friend didn't like debating with you, he/she should of stopped and told you. Of, course I don't know the whole story so I am not drawing assumptions.

I apologize if you took it the wrong way RWA.
 
Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
No it wasn't. Read the very last sentence of my post. I wrote that I understood that you were not the one who ended the friendship.

Some people just take things too far or seriously. When politics starts ruining friendships (like it did in your situation unfortunately) I think people just need to kick back and look at the bigger picture.

I have friends who are more conservative than me. I know with some of them I can debate with and others I cannot. I value my friendship with them so I don't debate with them.

If your friend didn't like debating with you, he/she should of stopped and told you. Of, course I don't know the whole story so I am not drawing assumptions.

I apologize if you took it the wrong way RWA.

No. You said "Understandably, your friend ended the relationship." Not. "I understand that your friend ended the relationship. " Don't apologize for my nonexistant miscomprehension when it was your unclear choice of words which was the culprit.

But yeah. You're right. The thing is we ALWAYS DEBATED POLITICS, he just couldn't handle having all bad arguments anymore. He could no longer defend the un logically. It caused hiw worldview to collapse or something. There was a point he was rolling on the ground apologizing for being stupid. The next day I got an email about how EVIL i was for reducing him so.
 
You got one apology out of me, your not getting another. Don't get so harsh over nothing.

I personally believe politics, religion and a few other things, shouldn't play a role in friendships. If two people are really great friends, but can't handle a religious or political discussion, they should avoid it in order to keep their friendship going. But that's just me.:D
 
Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
You got one apology out of me, your not getting another. Don't get so harsh over nothing.

I personally believe politics, religion and a few other things, shouldn't play a role in friendships. If two people are really great friends, but can't handle a religious or political discussion, they should avoid it in order to keep their friendship going. But that's just me.:D

Your apology was for me not understanding, a wrong reason, therefore a waste.

But I'm over it! :)

The thing is we're both political. He's still political, he just got tired of having his ass kicked, and instead of changing in light of new information, and continually getting killed, he decided to villify me. That's what libs do.
 
Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
Unfortunately for your friend, he should of just told you that he didn't want to debate anymore.

Just remember though, you can't change people's minds, they have to do it themselves.

And remember---libs won't let a little truth get in thier way when attempting to make a point
 
Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
And remeber-the same could be said for conservatives. :D

NOt true. I'm still waiting for your lie from sean. Liberals lie through their teeth to accomplish their goals. Such is their zealous belief in the moral superiority of socialism, against all evidence to the contrary.
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
NOt true. I'm still waiting for your lie from sean. Liberals lie through their teeth to accomplish their goals. Such is their zealous belief in the moral superiority of socialism, against all evidence to the contrary.

How about this. I'll bring up more things about Sean if you can refute what I wrote about Rush with facts instead of opinions. Sound fair? :cool:
 
Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
How about this. I'll bring up more things about Sean if you can refute what I wrote about Rush with facts instead of opinions. Sound fair? :cool:

Why even go there? Your fatass greasy turd hero mickey moore has been proven time and time again to be a bold faced liar, and yet you support him as the worlds only purveyor of truth.

You'll only believe what your liberal brain wants to brwneyes. Nothing more. So why should anyone try to tell you anything when the truth is something you choose to ignore?
 
Find one lie, either Rush or Sean told. FInd your best ONE, and we'll discuss it. Not twenty, not thirty, ONE. The best one you can find.
 
Originally posted by Pale Rider
Why even go there? Your fatass greasy turd hero mickey moore has been proven time and time again to be a bold faced liar, and yet you support him as the worlds only purveyor of truth.

You'll only believe what your liberal brain wants to brwneyes. Nothing more. So why should anyone try to tell you anything when the truth is something you choose to ignore?

Please find on this board where I said that Moore is
the worlds only purveyor of truth
? I have never said anything remotely close to that. I can't help it if you hate Moore so much that when someone presents an opposing viewpoint on a politcal board no less, that you get uptight.

And as far as only believing what my liberal brain tells me to, I think that is the pot calling the kettle black. As I've stated in previous posts (and RWA can attest to these posts) that I try to go out and read/listen/watch things that go against my line of thinking, because in my personal opinion (no judgement on anyone) I think that that is the only true way to form an unbiased opinion. Go out and look at things from all sides.

Also, if you ever took the time to get to know me, you'll see that on some issues, I do see common ground with Republicans/conservatives/right-wingers.

Can you say the same about yourself?
 
From nearly twenty years ago.
While the players may have changed from then to now, the issues remain the same.

BTW, that link in the OP appears to be defunct.
 

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