BuddyColt
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If they've overstayed their visas then they are no longer here legally.
That will be determined in a court of law... and many times they ARE still here legally. Uncle Scam screws up a hell of a lot.
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If they've overstayed their visas then they are no longer here legally.
That will be determined in a court of law... and many times they ARE still here legally. Uncle Scam screws up a hell of a lot.
I don't give a rats a$$ how you want to slice and dice the terminology.
If they are in the country and breaking the law by being here.
They need to be immediately deported; not tomorrow, today, like ASAP
STFU you brain dead retard.I don't give a rats a$$ how you want to slice and dice the terminology.
If they are in the country and breaking the law by being here.
They need to be immediately deported; not tomorrow, today, like ASAP
What you don't care about is the Constitution of the United States
What you don't care about is Liberty
What you don't care about is the Rights of those who may invite the foreigner
You would sell my freedom and Liberties, yours and those of your own children if it helped wage a war against foreigners. YOU are the one that don't deserve Due Process. Those like you generally end up being a victim of their own hate and stupidity.
The right wing doesnt give a shit about reality or the effects of policies'We deport the parents and do not think about the rights of their American born children. '
Pure unadulterated BS!!! We CAN'T deport american born children! That is one of their rights. The parents come here fully aware that they are here illegally and it's against the law! They get pregnant in order to have a stepping stone to this country. When they are caught and deported, they are asked if they have a relative, friend or other, to see for their child/ren. If not, then the state takes them in - unless - the parent chooses to take their child/ren with them!!! More often than not, they choose to leave their children here! Which in in itself is a big tragedy and just inhuman on THEIR part!!!
I worked in immigration law for six years. I can tell everyone on this board you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. The children don't have a say in whether or not they go to Mexico and their parents take them back more often than not.
The right wing doesnt give a shit about reality or the effects of policies'We deport the parents and do not think about the rights of their American born children. '
Pure unadulterated BS!!! We CAN'T deport american born children! That is one of their rights. The parents come here fully aware that they are here illegally and it's against the law! They get pregnant in order to have a stepping stone to this country. When they are caught and deported, they are asked if they have a relative, friend or other, to see for their child/ren. If not, then the state takes them in - unless - the parent chooses to take their child/ren with them!!! More often than not, they choose to leave their children here! Which in in itself is a big tragedy and just inhuman on THEIR part!!!
I worked in immigration law for six years. I can tell everyone on this board you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. The children don't have a say in whether or not they go to Mexico and their parents take them back more often than not.
LOL, Paranoid much??The LEO community developed a "Confidential Intelligence Report" against me and made plans to murder me. The LEO community tried to use the anti - immigrant inspired "Patriot Act" as justification and during the process, the same standards the xenophobes are using here were the ones being employed against me.
LOL, Paranoid much??The LEO community developed a "Confidential Intelligence Report" against me and made plans to murder me. The LEO community tried to use the anti - immigrant inspired "Patriot Act" as justification and during the process, the same standards the xenophobes are using here were the ones being employed against me.
None of this happened unless you can provide a to the news article.The event is quite real and was reported on quite extensively here when it happened. I'll tell you one damn thing, it didn't amuse me much to find out what was going on. It may be funny to you, but then again, it wasn't your ass on the line.
Waiting................None of this happened unless you can provide a to the news article.The event is quite real and was reported on quite extensively here when it happened. I'll tell you one damn thing, it didn't amuse me much to find out what was going on. It may be funny to you, but then again, it wasn't your ass on the line.
Title 8 USC 1325 is in a CIVIL section of the law. It is entitled IMPROPER ENTRY. When you are on the receiving end of a divorce, you become a defendant in a CIVIL legal process; however, you do NOT become a criminal. The same holds true for Title 8 actions. As evidence of this, Title 8 (EIGHT) mentions criminal acts under Title 18 (EIGHTEEN) of the United States Code. That is because Title 8 is a civil section of the law and cannot impose a criminal penalty. I will present the entire statute Title 8 USC 1325 and explain the statute the OP misquoted (My comments are in red):
8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
Notice Title 8 USC 1325 is about an IMPROPER act, not an unlawful one nor an illegal act
a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Notice, this Section (a) deals with defining THREE different things (numbered subsections): improper time or place, avoidance of examination or inspection and the misrepresentation or concealment of facts.
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
We have three distinct acts that 8 USC 1325 deals with above and a foreigner can be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned, etc., etc. HOWEVER, those crimes are specific to what is mentioned in THAT section (subsection 3.) Read them carefully with me. If you make a false or misleading representation or if the foreigner willfully conceals a material fact, that person will be tried under Title 18. The fines and terms are listed for the convenience of those researching the issue, but improper entry is NOT listed in Section 3 above. It's because entry is NOT a crime.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Here you go if you can read the above subsection (b) The penalties for entering the United States improperly only nets the offender a civil fine not exceeding $250
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
Again, the offender must pay a civil fine of up to $250 and it has NO bearing on whether or not they are penalized for the crimes of avoidance of examination or inspection and the misrepresentation or concealment of facts
It is both inaccurate and dishonest to refer to them as "illegal aliens." Perhaps more idiotic, the continued practice of calling people criminals absent Due Process has led to the same principles being applied to the activists on the right. Many of the anti - immigrants have been victims of their own failed strategies, namely failing to realize that by denying the immigrant Due Process, the rules are THE ANTI - IMMIGRANT CAN BE DENIED DUE PROCESS. It's a little provision of the 14th Amendment called the "equal protection of the laws."
Title 8 USC 1325 is in a CIVIL section of the law. It is entitled IMPROPER ENTRY. When you are on the receiving end of a divorce, you become a defendant in a CIVIL legal process; however, you do NOT become a criminal. The same holds true for Title 8 actions. As evidence of this, Title 8 (EIGHT) mentions criminal acts under Title 18 (EIGHTEEN) of the United States Code. That is because Title 8 is a civil section of the law and cannot impose a criminal penalty. I will present the entire statute Title 8 USC 1325 and explain the statute the OP misquoted (My comments are in red):
8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
Notice Title 8 USC 1325 is about an IMPROPER act, not an unlawful one nor an illegal act
a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Notice, this Section (a) deals with defining THREE different things (numbered subsections): improper time or place, avoidance of examination or inspection and the misrepresentation or concealment of facts.
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
We have three distinct acts that 8 USC 1325 deals with above and a foreigner can be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned, etc., etc. HOWEVER, those crimes are specific to what is mentioned in THAT section (subsection 3.) Read them carefully with me. If you make a false or misleading representation or if the foreigner willfully conceals a material fact, that person will be tried under Title 18. The fines and terms are listed for the convenience of those researching the issue, but improper entry is NOT listed in Section 3 above. It's because entry is NOT a crime.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Here you go if you can read the above subsection (b) The penalties for entering the United States improperly only nets the offender a civil fine not exceeding $250
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
Again, the offender must pay a civil fine of up to $250 and it has NO bearing on whether or not they are penalized for the crimes of avoidance of examination or inspection and the misrepresentation or concealment of facts
It is both inaccurate and dishonest to refer to them as "illegal aliens." Perhaps more idiotic, the continued practice of calling people criminals absent Due Process has led to the same principles being applied to the activists on the right. Many of the anti - immigrants have been victims of their own failed strategies, namely failing to realize that by denying the immigrant Due Process, the rules are THE ANTI - IMMIGRANT CAN BE DENIED DUE PROCESS. It's a little provision of the 14th Amendment called the "equal protection of the laws."
The enlarged, above, is where you are mistaken.
"a)" gives three examples of improper entry
If you commit "1)" (under "a" definition): enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers
OR
If you commit "2)" (under "a" definition): eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers
OR
If you commit "3)" (under "a" definition): attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact
THEN
you shall for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 (criminal). Any such offense is referring to 1), OR 2), OR 3), not just 3).
If someone enters into the U.S. in a manner that is not in accordance with our laws then they are in the U.S. illegally.
Just a heads up ... administration posts in red, moderators post in orange. Perhaps choose a different color for emphasis.
Waiting................None of this happened unless you can provide a to the news article.The event is quite real and was reported on quite extensively here when it happened. I'll tell you one damn thing, it didn't amuse me much to find out what was going on. It may be funny to you, but then again, it wasn't your ass on the line.
Let me repeat the point that you cannot read in PLAIN ENGLISH. It is very important. The criminal fines are, as you admit, a penalty under Title 18. TITLE 18 DOES NOT PROVIDE A CRIMINAL PENALTY FOR IMPROPER ENTRY.
You therefore, FAIL once again. Improper Entry is not a crime under Title 18 which specifies fines for crimes... attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact
What I put into italics are crimes under Title 18. Improper entry is NOT. If you think it is, show the cite.
I once knew a fellow who claimed he was Special Forces in Vietnam. He was always tell people about his secret missions and daring deeds. Finally, me and some other vets took him to task. Come to find out he was never in Vietnam. It was all a bunch of B.S.Waiting................None of this happened unless you can provide a to the news article.
While you're waiting, read the links already provided. This thread is not about me.
I once knew a fellow who claimed he was Special Forces in Vietnam. He was always tell people about his secret missions and daring deeds. Finally, me and some other vets took him to task. Come to find out he was never in Vietnam. It was all a bunch of B.S.Waiting................
While you're waiting, read the links already provided. This thread is not about me.
Much like your story.
When pressed for facts.
You deflect; and then fold like a house of cards.
No one here believes your idiotic story.
You might try foisting it on another forum; because your credibility here is toast.
I once knew a fellow who claimed he was Special Forces in Vietnam. He was always tell people about his secret missions and daring deeds. Finally, me and some other vets took him to task. Come to find out he was never in Vietnam. It was all a bunch of B.S.While you're waiting, read the links already provided. This thread is not about me.
Much like your story.
When pressed for facts.
You deflect; and then fold like a house of cards.
No one here believes your idiotic story.
You might try foisting it on another forum; because your credibility here is toast.
I'm not used to having to address dumbasses, but here's the deal:
I have given you a number of links to articles that, if you read them, lead back to me personally along with any "proof" necessary to establish who I am and what I am.
In case your blind, non English speaking, illiterate carcass don't get the picture, I don't give a flying fuck what you believe or disbelieve about me. I don't too much care what you and the outspoken National Socialists say about me. I've been dealing with your kind for a number of years and have sufficiently responded to them. Here's an example:
Outcasts and Outlaws :: View topic - Enemies Among Us
I'm not so stupid as to think because you believe you can bully me that you speak for any portion of the posters on this board. You hatemongering bullies are usually trying to compensate for some deficiency (be it a small brain or a short dick), but you're one hell of a long way from intimidating me.
I don't have a damn thing to prove to you. I made a casual reference about WHY I am in this fight. The facts of the case stand on their own. You've not come out with your story about how an illiterate Mexican stood in a welfare line all day long, stayed in the hospital waiting room all night and then "stole" your job at Mickey D's.
There is one thing about this, if you had answers or facts, you would present them. The fact is you don't. So, you hang with a bunch of cigarette smoking rednecks that can't spell half the words they speak and cannot understand English beyond single syllable words.
Wake up Dude, I don't give a rat's ass about you and don't care about what you think about me. From here on out, you can rant and rave all you want. If you are so interested in me personally, use the links and do some research. It's a different topic - one that is not as important as your dumb ass selling the Liberties of the American people out because you're too chickenshit to do anything on your own. You sit here like a God of the board and pretend to be important, but you fail to provide answers to the topic.
So, excuse me while I ignore you. And to anybody that thinks about playing your game, let me warn them: Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.