American capitalism gone with a whimper

[SpidermanTuba]

Why does your little pp opinion matter?

Because my party is about to have absolute authority. that's why. all those things that I am for and Republicans are not - universal healthcare, for instance - are about to get rammed through Congress, and there's nothing the shit party can do to stop it. I love it. so FUCK OFF Republicans.

Well little pp....you might want to rethink a wee bit. Neither Dive or myself are Republicans..

Good for you. Do you work at a fucking day care center?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

No one cares

lol
your right
no one fucking cares about your moronic opinions

Or any other Marxist for that matter..

Here's to your stupidity.

 

[DiveCon]

lol
your right
no one fucking cares about your moronic opinions

Or any other Marxist for that matter..

Here's to your stupidity.

go sober up

 

[Kat]

lol
your right
no one fucking cares about your moronic opinions

Or any other Marxist for that matter..

Here's to your stupidity.

LOL That is the best you got? Have another beer, maybe you will think of something better.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Or any other Marxist for that matter..

Here's to your stupidity.

go sober up

Go fuck yourself

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Or any other Marxist for that matter..

Here's to your stupidity.

LOL That is the best you got? Have another beer, maybe you will think of something better.

Double that for you

 

[DiveCon]

Here's to your stupidity.

go sober up

Go fuck yourself

naw, you might do things like that

 

[Kat]

Here's to your stupidity.

go sober up

Go fuck yourself

Please get out of this thread. It was a perfectly legit topic for discussion until you arrived.
Name calling and vulgarity.....anyone can do that.
Please either discuss like a decent person..or get out.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

go sober up

Go fuck yourself

naw, you might do things like that

No Family.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

It was a perfectly legit topic for discussion until you arrived.
.

"American capitalism gone with a whimper"

??? No it wasn't! Are you fucking kidding me? It wreaks of the same old "the commies are coming" fearmongering bullshit that the right has been dumping on the good people of America for decades. Its nothing new. Yes. We know we're about to become 100% communist and they're about to ship us all off to reeducation camps. They've been about to do that every time a liberal gets elected to the Presidency and every time they take over the Congress. We fucking get it. So shut up.

 

[Kat]

It was a perfectly legit topic for discussion until you arrived.
.

"American capitalism gone with a whimper"

??? No it wasn't! Are you fucking kidding me? It wreaks of the same old "the commies are coming" fearmongering bullshit that the right has been dumping on the good people of America for decades. Its nothing new. Yes. We know we're about to become 100% communist and they're about to ship us all off to reeducation camps. They've been about to do that every time a liberal gets elected to the Presidency and every time they take over the Congress. We fucking get it. So shut up.

Please get out of this thread. It was a perfectly legit topic for discussion until you arrived.
Name calling and vulgarity.....anyone can do that.
Please either discuss like a decent person..or get out.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Look two posts before this one.

 

[KittenKoder]

Capitalism is not gone, nor is it going anywhere. The sources are a bit cuckoo ... but then most media is. The only reason capitalism is not going anywhere is because without it, there is nothing to regulate the market and keep prices from being inflated just to line the pockets of the few in charge. Capitalism protects us from the powerful "minority", not the other way around.

As for all the name calling and back and forth between you all, shove it ...

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Capitalism is not gone, nor is it going anywhere. The sources are a bit cuckoo ... but then most media is. The only reason capitalism is not going anywhere is because without it, there is nothing to regulate the market and keep prices from being inflated just to line the pockets of the few in charge. Capitalism protects us from the powerful "minority", not the other way around.

As for all the name calling and back and forth between you all, shove it ...

Capitalism does a great job of lining the pockets of the few. Why do you think all those mega-corporations spend a ton of money sending lobbyists to Washginton? Just for shits and giggles?

 

[KittenKoder]

Capitalism is not gone, nor is it going anywhere. The sources are a bit cuckoo ... but then most media is. The only reason capitalism is not going anywhere is because without it, there is nothing to regulate the market and keep prices from being inflated just to line the pockets of the few in charge. Capitalism protects us from the powerful "minority", not the other way around.

As for all the name calling and back and forth between you all, shove it ...

Capitalism does a great job of lining the pockets of the few. Why do you think all those mega-corporations spend a ton of money sending lobbyists to Washginton? Just for shits and giggles?

Um ... no ... if you know how market worked then you'd see, that's not capitalism, that's legalized bribery. In a truly capitalist system, a company either succeeds or fails based on what people are wiling and able to pay as well as if the product is needed or wanted, not because some regulation pushed by the government prevents any competition from arising. We see only a small amount of capitalism in the US right now, it's government controlled right now and thus the result of a few people only able to compete in the market, as well as why there are not enough corporations to pick up the slack from those failing.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Capitalism is not gone, nor is it going anywhere. The sources are a bit cuckoo ... but then most media is. The only reason capitalism is not going anywhere is because without it, there is nothing to regulate the market and keep prices from being inflated just to line the pockets of the few in charge. Capitalism protects us from the powerful "minority", not the other way around.

As for all the name calling and back and forth between you all, shove it ...

Capitalism does a great job of lining the pockets of the few. Why do you think all those mega-corporations spend a ton of money sending lobbyists to Washginton? Just for shits and giggles?

Um ... no ... if you know how market worked then you'd see, that's not capitalism, that's legalized bribery. In a truly capitalist system, a company either succeeds or fails based on what people are wiling and able to pay as well as if the product is needed or wanted, not because some regulation pushed by the government prevents any competition from arising. We see only a small amount of capitalism in the US right now, it's government controlled right now and thus the result of a few people only able to compete in the market, as well as why there are not enough corporations to pick up the slack from those failing.

Yeah - right - and in a "truly communist" system everyone gets what they need and gives what they have to give.

But in real reality we all know it doesn't work that way, right? Well guess what - your little utopian capitalist dream doesn't work either. There are no capitalist nations where government decisions aren't at least partly - and at most entirely - influenced by the interests of a few rich who have the money to hire lobbyists, fund political campaigns, and make bribes.




I love how when the economy fails its always because we aren't capitalist enough.

 

[KittenKoder]

Capitalism does a great job of lining the pockets of the few. Why do you think all those mega-corporations spend a ton of money sending lobbyists to Washginton? Just for shits and giggles?

Um ... no ... if you know how market worked then you'd see, that's not capitalism, that's legalized bribery. In a truly capitalist system, a company either succeeds or fails based on what people are wiling and able to pay as well as if the product is needed or wanted, not because some regulation pushed by the government prevents any competition from arising. We see only a small amount of capitalism in the US right now, it's government controlled right now and thus the result of a few people only able to compete in the market, as well as why there are not enough corporations to pick up the slack from those failing.

Yeah - right - and in a "truly communist" system everyone gets what they need and gives what they have to give.

But in real reality we all know it doesn't work that way, right? Well guess what - your little utopian capitalist dream doesn't work either. There are no capitalist nations where government decisions aren't at least partly - and at most entirely - influenced by the interests of a few rich who have the money to hire lobbyists, fund political campaigns, and make bribes.




I love how when the economy fails its always because we aren't capitalist enough.

Actually, it makes more sense if you look at it from a different angle. Here is a very simplistic way in which to look at how it would work if we got rid of the excessive regulations now in play:

Someone comes up with an idea - they start a company to market that idea - they hire employees to help.

Now if the product/idea is desired they can raise the price a bit to increase profit, if not they fail and everyone else seeks a new job.

If they underpay their employees then no one will work for them and help them produce the product to sell, the company fails due to bad management.

If the product is good, they pay their employees well, and they manage their finances well they thrive and can raise or lower the price based on the demand while maintaining their business.

However, all this fails if:

1. There is no competition because other companies cannot start due to excessive costs of getting licenses or the government decides to deny them.

2. They are forced to pay their employees more than the product will bring in as profits.

3. Other companies are able to use government contracts to stay in business in spite of a bad product, thus the government has to tax the successful ones out of business.

How does this happen, the government regulates the corporations.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Um ... no ... if you know how market worked then you'd see, that's not capitalism, that's legalized bribery. In a truly capitalist system, a company either succeeds or fails based on what people are wiling and able to pay as well as if the product is needed or wanted, not because some regulation pushed by the government prevents any competition from arising. We see only a small amount of capitalism in the US right now, it's government controlled right now and thus the result of a few people only able to compete in the market, as well as why there are not enough corporations to pick up the slack from those failing.

Yeah - right - and in a "truly communist" system everyone gets what they need and gives what they have to give.

But in real reality we all know it doesn't work that way, right? Well guess what - your little utopian capitalist dream doesn't work either. There are no capitalist nations where government decisions aren't at least partly - and at most entirely - influenced by the interests of a few rich who have the money to hire lobbyists, fund political campaigns, and make bribes.




I love how when the economy fails its always because we aren't capitalist enough.

Actually, it makes more sense if you look at it from a different angle. Here is a very simplistic way in which to look at how it would work if we got rid of the excessive regulations now in play:

Someone comes up with an idea - they start a company to market that idea - they hire employees to help.

Now if the product/idea is desired they can raise the price a bit to increase profit, if not they fail and everyone else seeks a new job.

If they underpay their employees then no one will work for them and help them produce the product to sell, the company fails due to bad management.

If the product is good, they pay their employees well, and they manage their finances well they thrive and can raise or lower the price based on the demand while maintaining their business.

However, all this fails if:

1. There is no competition because other companies cannot start due to excessive costs of getting licenses or the government decides to deny them.

2. They are forced to pay their employees more than the product will bring in as profits.

3. Other companies are able to use government contracts to stay in business in spite of a bad product, thus the government has to tax the successful ones out of business.

How does this happen, the government regulates the corporations.

Who else would you like to regulate the corporations? You want to have diarrhea half your life just to get the health inspectors off the backs of the restaurants in your precious utopian capitalist system?

 

[KittenKoder]

Yeah - right - and in a "truly communist" system everyone gets what they need and gives what they have to give.

But in real reality we all know it doesn't work that way, right? Well guess what - your little utopian capitalist dream doesn't work either. There are no capitalist nations where government decisions aren't at least partly - and at most entirely - influenced by the interests of a few rich who have the money to hire lobbyists, fund political campaigns, and make bribes.




I love how when the economy fails its always because we aren't capitalist enough.

Actually, it makes more sense if you look at it from a different angle. Here is a very simplistic way in which to look at how it would work if we got rid of the excessive regulations now in play:

Someone comes up with an idea - they start a company to market that idea - they hire employees to help.

Now if the product/idea is desired they can raise the price a bit to increase profit, if not they fail and everyone else seeks a new job.

If they underpay their employees then no one will work for them and help them produce the product to sell, the company fails due to bad management.

If the product is good, they pay their employees well, and they manage their finances well they thrive and can raise or lower the price based on the demand while maintaining their business.

However, all this fails if:

1. There is no competition because other companies cannot start due to excessive costs of getting licenses or the government decides to deny them.

2. They are forced to pay their employees more than the product will bring in as profits.

3. Other companies are able to use government contracts to stay in business in spite of a bad product, thus the government has to tax the successful ones out of business.

How does this happen, the government regulates the corporations.

Who else would you like to regulate the corporations? You want to have diarrhea half your life just to get the health inspectors off the backs of the restaurants in your precious utopian capitalist system?

Different form of regulation, and I said excessive regulation, big difference. Capitalism isn't "every man for himself" ... and I don't need the government to tell me that drinking bleach is bad for me.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Actually, it makes more sense if you look at it from a different angle. Here is a very simplistic way in which to look at how it would work if we got rid of the excessive regulations now in play:

Someone comes up with an idea - they start a company to market that idea - they hire employees to help.

Now if the product/idea is desired they can raise the price a bit to increase profit, if not they fail and everyone else seeks a new job.

If they underpay their employees then no one will work for them and help them produce the product to sell, the company fails due to bad management.

If the product is good, they pay their employees well, and they manage their finances well they thrive and can raise or lower the price based on the demand while maintaining their business.

However, all this fails if:

1. There is no competition because other companies cannot start due to excessive costs of getting licenses or the government decides to deny them.

2. They are forced to pay their employees more than the product will bring in as profits.

3. Other companies are able to use government contracts to stay in business in spite of a bad product, thus the government has to tax the successful ones out of business.

How does this happen, the government regulates the corporations.

Who else would you like to regulate the corporations? You want to have diarrhea half your life just to get the health inspectors off the backs of the restaurants in your precious utopian capitalist system?

Different form of regulation, and I said excessive regulation, big difference. Capitalism isn't "every man for himself" ... and I don't need the government to tell me that drinking bleach is bad for me.

So you consider the requirement that a business have a license "excessive regulation" - but the requirement that a business allow someone to come into their kitchen and inspect the drains without notice, to be an acceptable level of regulation?

Tell me - lets say we have no business licences but continue to have health inspectors at restaurants. Say a restaurant has a severe violation, its happened multiple times, and its time to shut them down. Now what the fuck are you going to suspend if they don't need a license to operate in the first place?