Alternate Reality: American Distopia...

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    Rightwinger and I were debating in another thread and this was posted.


    So, here is the background...

    The setting is a Turtledovian alternate timeline Amerika...the Emperor of the United States has dissolved Congress and voided the Bill of Rights via Imperial Dicta.

    Everything else is exactly the same.

    Could a civilian revolution be successful?
     
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    Missourian, et al,

    Like with most hypotheticals, it depends!

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    The success or failure of an anti-government movement depends on how deep, how widespread, and how much of the pre-Imperial forces fell to the power and influence of the Emperor.

    BLUF: Could a civilian revolution be successful? YES

    If all the state and local police, intelligence and security forces (all) fell under the Imperial control, and were dedicated to that end, THEN, it would take time and leadership. Federal forces are not very good at insurgencies. And state & local forces can be overwhelmed, even by out-gunned insurgents. It is a matter of numbers and strategies. The technologies that give federal, state and local police, intelligence and security forces an advantage are vulnerable. Imperial C3ISR (Command, Control, Communications, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance) are very infrastructure dependent. All governments, including the Imperial Forces need funding, and that is vulnerable.

    There are simply too many former police, intelligence and security forces in the general population; with greater experiences, that know how to establish effective countermeasures; employ small unit tactics; and have the ability to work semi-autonomously; against critical Imperial essentials; for the Imperial Forces to maintain a sphere of control for an indefinite period of time.

    What police, intelligence and security forces are not individually neutralized at the unit level, will begin to defect to anti-government leadership. For each police, intelligence and security force at the unit level that falls, the anti-government movement will acquire greater and great resources and critical intelligence on Imperial activity.

    For sure, it would get ugly, but in the end, Imperial Forces will begin to deteriorate from the bottom up. At the same time, individual key personalities at the upper echelon of the Imperial Forces will come under increased targeting. They will become isolated, and unable to function at a socialite level; becoming trapped like a dog in a yard.

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    The chief vulnerability of any modern fighting force, and the easiest for an insurgency to get at, is fuel. Interrupt the supply, and the army grinds to a halt in pretty short order.
     
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    There is no way a dictator takes over the US, without having an assurance that he has the Military on his side, and strong enough allies to be assured of no outside intervention from other nations.

    So no, a group of civilians with guns stands no chance.
     
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    They would never be on his side
     
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    And we would never have a dictator. :)

    We are the worlds mightiest nation, there is no way other nations would allow us to quietly slip into a dictatorship, we have too much military power for them to allow it.

    So, if we were living in alternate reality, where a dictator has taken over, then that person has to have the strength of our military and enough ally nations to be confident that our nation won't be immediately invaded by others.
     
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    He has the military leadership...the conscripts...some yes and some not so much.

    He also has UN "peace keeping" forces under his total control.

    I'd say that's not too far afield from reality.
     
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    That is an excellent post.
     
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    Oh, please. Show me the evidence of that.
     
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    Evidence of what? This is a theoretical exercise.
     
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