Alternate History Take II -

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    Now this one is a crock. There was and is still no credible intelligence that Saddam had an active WMD program. Even if Bush had responded to Clarke, the answer wouldn't have been to go to war in Afghanistan, it would've been to fund more security for airports and airplanes (i.e. air marshalls, etc.)

    The fact is when Bush took office terorrism was not high on his list of priorities. It was high on the list of Clinton's priorities when he left office. At the time, maybe Bush was justified in looking at other problems first, but he, and especially Condoleeza Rice simply ignored repeated warnings from Richard Clarke and others about the possibility of terrorist attacks in the U.S. That combined with failures by both the FBI and CIA, IMHO is what made it possible for 9/11 to unfold. I do not place all of the blame on this administration. Clearly, the Clinton administration could've done a better job with terrorism as well, but at least they did something. The problems in the FBI and CIA run way deeper than just the period immediately before 9/11 occurred.

    I take strong issue with this whiny attitude from people on the right about the 9/11 commission. Bush appointed this people so it's not like they're going to go on a witch hunt against him.

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    WoW!! Anyone wanna take this one and crush it to shreds??? Shall I??
     
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    Go ahead, DMP... I'm getting tired of it.
     
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    My turn. *cracks knuckles*

    So terrorism wasn't Bush's #1 until after 9/11, but seriously, who thought it would happen. No even Clarke (who was an intelligent and respectable man until recently) predicted a terror attack of this magnitude. Even then, the first few months of any president's term is spent gathering your stuff together and reviewing all the notes left by the previous administration. Then Bush got hit with corporate scandal and stem cell controversy. Clinton, however, had 8 years. He turned down three offers of Osama bin Laden on a silver platter. All he did to combat terrorism is turn it all over to the FBI and lob a few cruise missiles and bombs into Afghanistan and Iraq, oh and destroyed an aspirin factory in Libya, and all of those came around large events in the Lewinsky scandal. Clinton ignored terrorism.

    The 9/11 commission are the ones who are whining. They drilled Condoleeza Rice until she finally came on, then they didn't want to let her talk.

    As for intelligence regarding WMD's, there was enough to convince everybody except France, Germany, and Russia, and I think they only pretended to no believe, since they had oil interests there. The big difference is that Bush acted on that information.
     
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    Hobbit, some WMD claims were GIVEN to us by France, Russia, and Germany! That's why it's such a crock! Germany told us that Saddam would have three nuclear weapons by 2005! France and Russia voted in Resolution 1441 that Saddam had WMD, violated resolutions, and should be removed if he didn't show us his WMDs!

    Everyone... even nations that pussed out, (because of oil contracts) thought Saddam had WMD!
     
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    On 11/8/02, the UNSC passed Resolution 1441. The resolution stated:

    The resolution states that Iraq remains in material breach of council resolutions relating to Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait and requires that Baghdad give UNMOVIC and IAEA a complete and accurate declaration of all aspects of its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs and ballistic missiles systems, as well as information on other chemical, biological, and nuclear programs that are supposed to be for civilian purposes, within 30 days.

    This did not happen.

    All 15 council members voted for the resolution: permanent members China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States; and non-permanent members Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Guinea, Ireland, Mauritius, Mexico, Norway, Singapore, and Syria.

    This was ongoing in Iraq for 12 years. Iraq violated 16 war treaties hundreds of times, regarding his WMD and WMD programs.

    France voted. Russia voted. Hell, even Baathist Syria voted he had WMD.

    Then again, there are quotes such as the following:

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also give aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including
    al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002.
     
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    i see acludem saw the ridiculousness in his original post and has backed down. Now thats the Fantasy story right there, lol. Im sure he's finding rhetoric and lies right now to fight back with. Like bring a cap gun with no caps into a war.
     

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