All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

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    RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
    ⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

    WHILE Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) stipulates that "Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference," and that freedom of expression is permissible; the CCPR is not so rigid or permissive as to allow an interpretation and implementation of “hate speech.”

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    Article 20 of the ICCPR holds that "Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law." Nor does the CCPR or such speech that it rises to the level of incitement to violence. The CCPR provides that "Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes an incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law."

    The CCPR protects the rights of the general population from the misuse of those freedoms when it jeopardizes the safety and security of the general public.

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    How does that fit into Palestinian self defense?
     
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    RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
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    I don't understand the association you are making here.

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    The right to self-defense has to do with the actual or threatened physical warm (direct or indirect).

    Article 19 Rights has to do with the Right of Expression and Opinion.

    The Rights to Speech, Expressions, and Opinions (International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights) are not permitted to incite such action as to place the regional security, or public safety and order in peril. These are Article 20 protections against misuse and abuse.

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    How does attacking Israel with rocket fire and Islamic terrorist riots at the Israeli security fence fit into Arab-Moslem self defense?
     
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    How can the Palestinians express resistance to Israeli violence without it being called incitement.

     
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    RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
    ⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

    OK, now we are getting to the core of this part of the issue.

    BLUF: The answer is → in any way that does not incite violence, or is likely to provoke or encourage any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression.
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    For some time (since the turn of the century), one of the core accusations made by the Hostile Arab Palestinians, which has been levied against the State of Israel, → concerns the Rule of Law (RoL). The real core issue is whether or not Israel is following the RoL any better than the Arab Palestinian. The Arab Palestinian claim that, in their words, "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." And that they have the right to pursue this strategy which includes their right to incite violence and to speak out against, what they perceive as Israeli oppression. And in fact, that is the central justification that our friend "P F Tinmore" is using when he argues that the Arab Palestinians have the right to use any and all means, including the expression of resistance ("Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war.") against Israeli violence.

    IF both parties to the conflict, decided today to reset their perspective of the other, THEN what does the current law say? Clearly, the Israelis have to follow Article 43 of the Hague Regulation to:

    "take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible,
    ------------------------------public order and safety,
    while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country."

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    As you can plainly see, the RoL in the fundamentals of peace throughout the territories was set over a half-century ago. But the "Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war" date back even farther; → to a time before the establishment of the Jewish State.
    So, under the current laws, statements like following are a violation of the International Covenant and the Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL):

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    It is laughable that you invoke the rule of law. The creation of Israel was a crime against the Palestinians. The existence of Israel is a crime against the Palestinians.

    How are the Palestinians supposed to respond to 7 decades of Israeli aggression?
     
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    Your "...because I say so" claim of some crime against the Arabs-Moslems is really meaningless when you fail to identify what crime was committed.
     
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    Someone call security. I think these discussions are radicalizing PF Tinmore.
     
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    RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
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    Again, you make the accusation. And, for more than "7 Decades," that is all it has been → a the rehash of a 70-year-old complaint. A rehash of a 70-year-old complain by a body [the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP)] that were not even a party to the conflict and did not has a legitimate leadership to represent them until the Seventh Arab League Summit Conference of 1974. The HoAP was not a party to the conflict in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six-Day War, and the 1973 Sneak Attack on Yom Kipper.

    And, oddly enough, the establishment of a "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people" was not established until 8 years after the territories in dispute (the West Bank, The Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem) were placed under the effective control of the Israelis.

    ◈ The Framework for Peace in the Middle East began with the Agreement at Camp David and later was signed 26 March 1979 ending the Armistice Agreement with Egypt and established a new internationally recognized permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel.

    ◈ The Framework for Peace was further developed with the Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty that was signed on 26 October 1994 (in which the international boundary between Jordan and Israel was delimited); a year after the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements 13 September 1993. ​

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    The creation of the "Jewish State," through the process of self-determination → and declared the independent State of Israel → was accomplished in the light of day. The unsuccessful act of aggression by the Arab League did not change the track of land declared independent. In fact, the Arab League failure ultimately expanded the territorial control of the Israelis. And with the stubborn resistance, on the part of the HoAP, to establish a dialog and enter into negotiations with the HoAP, has had a negative impact on the maintenance and control of a territory the HoAP can call their own.

    The adherence to the political policy that: "The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void" → is an ineffective policy and has been a counter-productive stance for more than a century. This policy has gained the Arab Palestinian little if any success for the inhabitance.
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