All Hell breaks loose in Colorado--FIRE

[strollingbones]

you know what i say....

you want justice go to a whore house

you want to get fucked...go to the courthouse

 

[bodecea]

Niece's boyfriend is the fighting the fires. Hope he stays safe.

 

[Synthaholic]

o & frankie...there will never be justice for brian terry

Frank doesn't give a shit about Agent Terry. But he's happy to exploit his death.

 

[Synthaholic]

Do Colorado teabaggers want the Federal government to stay out and let them come up with a state-based solution?

Much of the wildfires are on federal property.

Add this to the equation:

Much of what’s burning is the Pike National Forest, which is federal property. Yet it took almost three days to get federal fire fighting aircraft off the ground to begin dumping meaningful loads of slurry to slow the fire’s growth. Because the Forest Service has a shortage of planes, Air Force C-130s finally joined the effort Monday afternoon to battle a fire that began Saturday morning

Washington-based Human Events magazine reported in September of 2011 that nearly half of the federal government’s air tankers sat idle at a California airport, as wildfires ripped through national forests throughout California, Texas, New Mexico, and other states.

It turns out the Obama administration ended a long-standing contract, leaving the Forest Service with only 11 tankers to battle 50 wildfires that were burning nationwide. A decade ago, the Forest Service had 40 firefighting tankers.

The Obama administration canceled the government’s contract with Aero Union — a company with 60 employees that had been under contract with the Forest Service for 50 years. Though it canceled that contract, the administration had no plan for an immediate replacement. Aero Union CEO Britt Gourley told Human Events the administration provided no details on why the contract was ended.

Read more: Obama shrunk aerial firefighting fleet (poll) | obama, edge, rages - TOWN HALL - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO


Either way, polotics out I can only hope that everyone is safe and the fires go out soon.

This is what happens when you rely on wingnut echo chambers to get your "news"

Most of the money to fight the fire from the ground and the air comes from federal funding. The Forest Service is worried because over the past two years Congress has slashed funding for wildfire suppression and prevention by $500 million, a 15 percent cut.


"We feel that the money we have available for fire suppression this year will provide for a moderate fire season," said Tidwell.
But Tidwell says this fire season won't stay moderate for long. Things are expected to heat up around the country.
An active fire season would mean dipping into other funds.


"But that doesn't factor into the decisions that we're making," he continued. "The decisions are based on what needs to occur, what's the right way to do this, what's the safe way to do this and that's what we determine that needs to be done to combat these fires."


Money is an afterthought when it comes to putting out fires. But Dan Ware from New Mexico's State Forestry says fire crews won't be wasting money.


"At any time when budgets get reduced, you learn how to stretch the dollar further," said Ware. He adds that they won't use an excessive amount of fire engines or pay office employees too much overtime.


"We have a great working relationship with United States Forest Services. We help them with their fires. They help us with our fires," said Ware.


The number of air tankers has also been cut by about two-thirds, but for the Whitewater fire helicopters are being used more often.


Last fire season in New Mexico cost $28 million. About $10 million of that was billed to the federal government, but the state is still waiting on some of that money back.


Federal firefighting money could go dry
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Primary source, fucker, not some wingnut blog.

Added bonus: an additional bitch-slap to CrusaderFrank.

 

[strollingbones]

dueling facts? i prefer dueling penises

or in this case....dueling dicks

 

[Synthaholic]

Denver Post:


Only nine heavy air tankers remain in the U.S. Forest Service's fleet to battle a wildfire season expected to last through the fall, worrying critics who fear the lack of resources has left forests vulnerable. A decade ago, the fleet numbered 44.

*snip*

Obama included $24 million to contract for more planes in the 2013 budget, and four companies are under contract to provide next-generation aircraft that will carry at least 2,400 gallons of fire-suppressing retardant and, when fully loaded, have cruise speeds of at least 300 knots (340 mph).

 

[sitarro]

Colorado could certainly use more of the 65 C-130s that were cut when your idiot cut the military budget to give out more freebees to the "poor" so they can use their food credit cards to buy cigarettes and beer. He knows he won't get any votes from the military so he cuts them to give the poor vunerables (Sheila Jackson Lee's pronunciation)vote bribes.



Colorado's 'Epic Firestorm' Reveals Danger of Air Force Cuts | The Weekly Standard

 

[chikenwing]

Starting to get the global warming yet, dupes?

You mean like the fires that have naturally occurred for much longer than man has been in the mix.

We build in natural fire zones,let the brush build up ,then wonder why it happens.Who's the dupe,dope.

 

[editec]

It is right and natural that the fires rage during seasons like these. Without those fires that land cannot go though its nature cycle of growth

What is not nature are the homes that are in the fires path.

But don't worry about those unnatural homes, kids, mother nature will take care of those.

 

[Intense]

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — The smell of singed air here is inescapable. Less than 50 miles west of my neighborhood, the latest wildfire has spread across 1,100 acres. It’s the fifth active blaze to erupt in our state over the past month. But ashes aren’t the only things smoldering.

The Obama administration’s neglect of the federal government’s aerial tanker fleet raises acrid questions about its core public safety priorities. Bipartisan complaints goaded the White House into signing a Band-Aid fix last week. But it smacks more of election-year gesture politics: Too little, too late, too fake.

Ten years ago, the feds had a fleet of 44 firefighting planes. Today, the number is down to nine for the entire country. Last summer, Obama’s National Forest Service canceled a key federal contract with Sacramento-based Aero Union just as last season’s wildfires were raging. Aero Union had supplied eight vital air tankers to Washington’s dwindling aerial firefighting fleet. Two weeks later, the company closed down, and 60 employees lost their jobs. Aero Union had been a leader in the business for a half-century.

Why were they grounded? National Forest Service bureaucrats and some media accounts cite “safety” concerns. But as California GOP Rep. Dan Lungren noted in a letter obtained by reporter Audrey Hudson of the conservative D.C. newspaper Human Events last year, a Federal Aviation Administration representative said it was a contractual/compliance matter, not safety, that doomed Aero Union’s fleet.

“I am deeply troubled by the Forest Service’s sudden action,” Lungren warned, “particularly as California enters into the fire season. Our aerial firefighting fleet is already seriously undercapitalized.” Both the U.S. Government Accountability Office and the Department of Agriculture’s Inspector General have been critical of the Forest Service’s handling of the matter. All of this has been known to the Obama administration since it took the reins in 2009.

Nine months after Lungren’s warning, the deadly High Park fire in Larimer County, Colo., claimed a grandmother’s life, destroyed 189 homes and scorched nearly 60,000 acres. Arizona, New Mexico, Washington and Wyoming also have battled infernos this summer.

After months of dire red flags from a diverse group of politicians ranging from Texas GOP Gov. Rick Perry and Arizona GOP Sen. Jon Kyl to Oregon Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden and New Mexico Democratic Sen. Jeff Bingaman, President Obama finally signed emergency legislation last week to expedite the contracting process. Obama will borrow planes from Canada and provide $24 million for new aerial tanker contracts.

But the money won’t come until next year, and the dog-and-pony rescue moves will not result in any immediate relief. “It’s nice, but this problem isn’t fixed with a stroke of the pen,” former Forest Service official and bomber pilot Tony Kern told the Denver Post this week. “You need to have the airplanes available now.” Veteran wildland firefighter and blogger Bill Gabbert of WildfireToday.com adds: “The USFS should have awarded contracts for at least 20 additional air tankers, not 7.”

How Obama Bureaucrats Fueled Western Wildfires

 

[strollingbones]

yall should be ashamed...making a political issue out of this.....people are losing their homes....and some will lose their lives while a bunch of assholes try to determine who's fault the damned fire was....

yall would be trying to drain the swamp when you are up to your asses in gators

 

[Samson]

Pubs cut federal aid, FOOLS.

Strange, it was a "pub" who wrote a letter about it:

Why were they grounded? National Forest Service bureaucrats and some media accounts cite "safety" concerns. But as California GOP Rep. Dan Lungren noted in a letter obtained by reporter Audrey Hudson of the conservative D.C. newspaper Human Events last year, a Federal Aviation Administration representative said it was a contractual/compliance matter, not safety, that doomed Aero Union's fleet.

"I am deeply troubled by the Forest Service's sudden action," Lungren warned, "particularly as California enters into the fire season. Our aerial firefighting fleet is already seriously undercapitalized." Both the U.S. Government Accountability Office and the Department of Agriculture's Inspector General have been critical of the Forest Service's handling of the matter. All of this has been known to the Obama administration since it took the reins in 2009.

How Obama Bureaucrats Fueled Western Wildfires | CNSNews.com

Anchor baby Michelle Malkin!

Interesting response to tragedy:
1. Use it as political leverage
2. Use it to attack idealogs that disagree with your POV.

Do you have anything constructive to add?

There is no political angle:

A. In a dry year, lightning struck, starting a fire.

B. High winds prevented the fire from being controlled.

C. Homeowners lost; hopefully they were insured.

 

[Katzndogz]

These fires could not have happened with out the environmentalists passing laws prohibiting the clean up of dead brush. The fires continue because democrats reduced the firefighting equipment needed.

Arson is partially suspected.

Update: Search for Suspect in Teller Co. Arson Fires | News - Home

Colo. Gov.: 'Blood boiling' if any fires arson - USATODAY.com Video

 

[uscitizen]

Spending cuts are great as long as they don't negatively impact you.

 

[bodecea]

Spending cuts are great as long as they don't negatively impact you.

Seems to be the truth of it.

 

[kowalskil]

Much of the wildfires are on federal property. ...

Are such file preventable?

 

[uscitizen]

Colorado could certainly use more of the 65 C-130s that were cut when your idiot cut the military budget to give out more freebees to the "poor" so they can use their food credit cards to buy cigarettes and beer. He knows he won't get any votes from the military so he cuts them to give the poor vunerables (Sheila Jackson Lee's pronunciation)vote bribes.



Colorado's 'Epic Firestorm' Reveals Danger of Air Force Cuts | The Weekly Standard

And Colorado would now have those planes to use if they had not been cut from the future?

 

[peach174]

An interesting article I found Dating back to 1999. Undated in 2001.
Seems it is Mainly the greenies especially the Sierra Club who has stopped the cleanup management of our National Forests.

[PushBack] Now They Have Burned Los Alamos


Many experienced foresters and scientists believe that a long-term program of constructing fire breaks and conducting controlled burns during off-peak fire season (late fall or early spring) is the only way we can clean up and protect our national forests and avoid their eventual destruction by “unnaturally” intense forest fires during peak fire season.

Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists opposed a bill in congress that would thin the forest and build large fire breaks in national forests in northern California. This plan is called the Quincy Library Group plan. It was formulated by local environmentalists, experienced U.S. Forest Service officials, and lumber industry representatives meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. A bill to implement this plan was approved overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives by both parties. In press reports, then President Clinton praised the plan as an example of what he wanted when he asked for compromise, not confrontation over the issue of managing our national forests.

Nevertheless, national environmental groups such as the Sierra Club lobbied selected U.S. Senators such as Barbara Boxer from California to stop the bill in the Senate because these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in our national forests will lead automatically to expanded exploitation of the forests. But they, the self-styled environmentalists, are quite willing to watch these same forests go up in smoke! They know that all our forests, even the few remaining old growth forests that they claim they are protecting, eventually will be burned to blackened stumps if there is no way to stop unnatural forest fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season.

To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. Adequate fire breaks require only thinning excessive numbers of small trees and removing the brush, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest fires. Then controlled burns can be safely attempted in isolated sections and lightening fires can be allowed to burn in off-peak times because they will be limited in area by the surrounding fire breaks. Eventually, large areas of the entire forest become fire breaks because they have been returned to fire equilibrium. This is the only sensible and sane “let forest fires burn” policy that congress should allow. This is the Quincy Library Group plan.

The Quincy Library Group plan was finally approved by in the Senate in the fall of 1998 and signed by then President Clinton. It is called the Feinstein-Herger bill (full name: The Herger-Feinstein Quincy Library Group Forest Recovery Act). However, after signing the bill, there were soon indications that the Clinton White House would buckle [see fifth paragraph in previous link] under to the power-hungry, so-called environmental organizations, such as the Sierra Club, and resist implementation of the law, as it soon did [see letter from the House to Dan Glickman]. The Sierra Club headquarters has vehemently opposed the Quincy Library Group plan, even though local Sierra Club members helped formulate the plan. The Sierra Club officially insists that all human activity in our forests is bad. According to them, any logging, even to thin the forests and build firebreaks, will lead to the cutting of all the trees. They advocate that only “natural fires” can cleanse our forests and renew them.

The opposition groups and officials who call themselves “environmentalists” have not told the public or the press that most western lumber mills have retooled their machinery to process small trees and make good lumber out of the small trees that are needlessly burned and wasted by the governments’ insane “controlled burn only” projects. Allowing private companies to salvage this resource for our economy also provides the money to clean our forests and return them to healthy fire-tolerant condition for our future generations—instead of officially burning them to the ground as Nero fiddled over Rome.

Then Vice-President Al Gore was given charge over all environmental policy in the Clinton Administration. He consistently enforced the radical policies demanded by the so-called environmental groups such as the Sierra Club. The heads of the Dept. of Interior, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S. Forest Service are all adherents to the Sierra Club official policy of eliminating all man and machine operations in our national forests and closing all access roads in our forests. This will lead to the destruction of all of our major forests that are not in fire equilibrium, including the last stands of old-growth forest and wilderness areas that are the most explosive and inaccessible. Lightning alone will eventually set fires in all these forests. Firefighters and equipment must be able to reach any fire that breaks out during high fire season. Otherwise, massive crowning wildfires will quickly spread out of control and totally destroy the entire ecology as happened in Yellowstone.

The present government policies on forest management will guarantee that there will be many more Yellowstones in the next three to five years. The next ones will likely be highly populated areas such as the Tahoe Basin where the forest around the lake is clogged with tens of thousands of dead trees due to the recent seven-year drought. Hundreds if not thousands of homes and businesses will be destroyed here and in other dry forested areas in the west when lightning fires are allowed to burn—or stupid summertime “controlled burns” deliberately set by government agents get out of hand.
How about that? Al Gore and Sierra Club who thinks that they should never be managed,just let it burn.
Twenty years of unmanaged brush and undergrowth and trees .
The very same Sierra Club that AZ. fought with over the San Pedro River.

 

[sitarro]

Colorado could certainly use more of the 65 C-130s that were cut when your idiot cut the military budget to give out more freebees to the "poor" so they can use their food credit cards to buy cigarettes and beer. He knows he won't get any votes from the military so he cuts them to give the poor vunerables (Sheila Jackson Lee's pronunciation)vote bribes.



Colorado's 'Epic Firestorm' Reveals Danger of Air Force Cuts | The Weekly Standard

And Colorado would now have those planes to use if they had not been cut from the future?

Obama hates white people!!!!!

 

[bodecea]

yall should be ashamed...making a political issue out of this.....people are losing their homes....and some will lose their lives while a bunch of assholes try to determine who's fault the damned fire was....

yall would be trying to drain the swamp when you are up to your asses in gators

Indeed. Regardless of whatever, those in Colorado ...keep safe. Don'T stick around if in danger...get you and yours to safety.