Afghanistan sentences journalist to death for downloading report on women's rights

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    The government of Afghantistan is executing a journalist for downloading a report on women's rights. Congratulations. This is allegedly post-taliban afghanistan, and this is the afghan government we've invested oceans of blood and treasure creating and defending:


     
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    Our enemy is the Taliban. Are you proposing that we interfere in a sovereign nation's business because YOU don't like how they do things?

    I don't recall ever hearing anyone claim the Afghanistan government was a model of Western democracy.

    Too bad you don't hold yourself to the same standards you try to hold those you disagree with to.
     
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    Gunny I think it's possible to condemn any nation if you believe in the unversality of human rights. Now before you get out the fly spray hang on for a minute. I agree that a sovereign nation can't be interfered with but it can be assailed with condemnations and in this case it's richly deserved.

    The question is, why the hell are our - yes, "our" - military personnel dying for these feudal bastards?
     
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    I don't know that I actually believe in the universality of human rights. One of the biggest flaws I have seen over the years is our judging other cultures by Western standards.

    One of the most absurd arguments made since we have become re-involved in the Middle East is the left demanding to know where the Western democracy is. To be fair, any Western-thinking idealist that thought they were going to install a Western democracy in the Arab world is just as loopy.

    Arabs don't think like us. I got called a racist last time I said that, which is bullshit. Their culture is different, period. They don't live as we do, nor believe the same things we do.

    So, what you are really saying is if I believe in the universality of human rights according to Judeo-Christian Western culture. Nice idea, but I've seen enough of the world to know that universality doesn't exist.

    We went in to Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, and as a starting point to combatting terrorism. As far as Afghanistan is concerned, I don't see that our military personnel are dying for any "feudal bastards." They're waging a war against the Taliban.
     
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    Yes, I'm thinking from my own cultural background and yes it's a cultural background influenced by the Enlightenment. But that doesn't invalidate it. I'd argue that it's a superior culture to the religious feudalism in Afghanistan, in fact defending my position would be good refresher training for my jetlagged mushy mind.

    I agree it's not racist to proclaim difference, that's just clouding the issue. But I'm going to hold my position that western culture is superior to that of Afghanistan at the moment. I'll no doubt join you in the "racist" sin bin shortly.

    It can, even if we have to pound it into the bastards :rofl:

    And they're propping up a shittty regime that's not much better than the Taliban. I'm not ignorant of the reality of international politics, it's a dirty, dirty business but someone has to get in and jump around in the shit but the op has been fucked up by incompetent politicians.

    Anyway, I'm still stubbornly declaring that western values are superior:

    Exhibit P1 - http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html - that lot is right out of western values, those feudal bastards in Afghanistan should read it.
     
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    The problem is/was that installing a western style democracy into the middle east is exactly what the NeoCon buttwipes have been pushing.

    I agree. I don't think it will work. I also agree that we can't judge non western cultures using western standards. That has got a lot of people killed.

    Well, let's look at Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venuzuela and where else have we tried to interfere and set up our way of rule because we don't like the way they do things. It wouldn't be the first time.

    If all we want to do is kill the taliban and leave, then just fukking do it and quit the crap about making them a democracy.
     
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    They took their eye off their balls and invaded Iraq. Now look at the fine kettle of fishshit we are in. Too many civilian no nothings overruling the military commanders. Too many tinhorn Bushit rocking chair warriors ruining the wars.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080201/wl_time/istheusfailinginafghanistan
     
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    I think we can condemn egregious fundamentalist behaviour like this. I never suggested forcing them to change. It was actually you and your neocon buddies who suggested we invade muslim nations to force them to change.

    The second point, is to ask why we are investing oceans of blood and treasure to defend a barbaric government. I initially supported the invasion of afghanistan, but now I'm thinking we should have tried a different tactic to capture or kill al qaeda. Covert ops, surgical strikes, intelligence gathering, infilitration, etc.
     
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    That is the only way we will beat terrorists. But there isn't the money in this approach for the Haliburtons, Blackwaters, Calyles and other war profiteers.

    Kill from within not on the conventional battlefield. It's called guerrilla counter insurgency operations.
     
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    Just harking back to my claims about the superiority of western culture. I came across a really interesting discussion today, it's available as an mp3 and/or text.

    I found it informative (next episode is 9 February).

    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/philosopherszone/stories/2008/2148679.htm#transcript
     

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