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The job market is getting better. But Democrats understand that the gap between the rich and rest of us is a problem and never been greater. and the rich aren't paying their fair share towards paying for the wars they started, infrastructure, the debt or social programs.
We haven't reversed everything bad the GOP did when they were in power. For example, in 2008 lame duck session the GOP passed a law that said the Post Office had to fund its pension plan for the next 75 years. There is no logical reason the GOP would have done that other than
a. Bankrupt the Post Office so they can privatize it
b. Loot the pension fund when the Post office goes bust.
Similar to what they are doing to the entire government. Bankrupt it so they can kill social security, the epa, public education and medicare, etc.
And break unions. That is part of their plot too. And you middle class righties are clueless to how bad that will be for the rest of us. Who else if not unions do Democrats answer to? Break unions, break all labor. Right to work states are clueless! Get rid of unions and you have no right to your job. Right to work means right to work for less. Or right to fire your ass for no reason.
Do you like 40 hour work weeks, vacation or sick days? Do you like how much you make? Union or not, thank a union for how much you make. This is what righties don't realize. When unions were powerful, non union companies had to keep up with wages. They got free low cost healthcare? Soon so did you too.
Now that unions are only 12% of us, notice our wages haven't gone up because corporations don't have to. Employees pay stayed stagnant the last 20 years if you factor inflation in and the CEO's pay has skirocketted. What can you as a non union employee say about it? NOTHING! But union employees wouild insist on profit sharing.
If you aren't rich yourself, wake up before its too late.
Stagnant wages are a direct result of not having bargaining power. Labor flows to where labor is cheapest and that isn't in this nation. The left's answer is more protection for the working class and the right's answer is for the working class to expect less. Which is why the GOP is set up for failure in the upcoming Presidential race. You saw the Congressional republicans trying to right the ship with their acceptance of the payroll tax holidaythis time around. They see their weak position.
Your post is spot on right in this case.
As far as not engaging them, theres too much disinformation being spewed here to counteract it all, thats true. Pay is not being cut for combat personnel. Failing businesses are not good for the economy. The auto bailouts saved much more non-union jobs than those of union wage earners. All these are truths. All were the antithesis of wing-nut threads.
I would suggest that you recommend to lefties to stick with the truth and simply point out the repeated lies of the wingnuts. When they are not encumbered by honesty, theres no point attempting to auswage their tendency to lie when it suits them. Hence Obama kicking Romney's ass this fall.
Unions lost their power when they demanded more than companies could afford. Unions didn't give a crap if they bankrupted or shut down a company. People realized Unions and the Democrats were responsible for business closing their doors and moving to other countries that appreciate the opportunity for their people to work.
Good, honest, hard working employees are worth their weight in gold. Businesses know that. Demanding $30.00 an hour with full benefits in a competitive business market won't get you hired too quickly unless you show you are worth it. With or without a Union. Personal responsibility and true integrity were handed over to the Unions. Too bad the corruption got to them. At one time they truly helped the Labor movement, now the bosses are too busy attending parties at the White House and rallies around their buddies at their vacation homes in the Caribbean.
Demanded more than their companies could afford? That is so funny. Look at today in non union companies. The CEO used to make 5 times as much as the average worker, now they make 500 times the average worker. And our wages are just about the same as they were back in 1970 when you factor inflation in.
If we were unionized, we would have insisted that we get some of those profits.
You have been brainwashed by the right to think middle class Americans make too much.
What they do is point at a small percentage of people taking advantage of the system in order to get you to think the whole concept of unions is bad. Or they got you convinced that unions are no longer necessary. You guys couldn't be any more wrong. But it would take too much explaining to do and I know you wouldn't agree so why bother.