Advances in technology will lead to some form of socialism.

[WinterBorn]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

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"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

 

[Mac1958]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

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"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

Agreed, and we need to start looking down the road at this.

There are no answers yet, because we've lost the ability to communicate and collaborate. One thought might be drastically reducing work weeks and sharing work somehow.

What I fear is that we'll do what we always do: Piddle around until it's a crisis, and then make dumb, knee-jerk, band-aid decisions.
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[WinterBorn]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

Agreed, and we need to start looking down the road at this.

There are no answers yet, because we've lost the ability to communicate and collaborate. One thought might be drastically reducing work weeks and sharing work somehow.

What I fear is that we'll do what we always do: Piddle around until it's a crisis, and then make dumb, knee-jerk, band-aid decisions.
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I agree. And our biggest problem is in our leadership. Looking ahead 10 years is not their strong suit. In fact, they don't care beyond the next election. As long as it boils down to party politics, all our accomplishments will be short term.

 

[Cellblock2429]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

/----/ How did past generations deal with the advancement of technology? Or is this the first time in history machines have replaced workers?

 

[WinterBorn]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

/----/ How did past generations deal with the advancement of technology? Or is this the first time in history machines have replaced workers?
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It is, by no means, the first time this has happened. But the scale is larger. Virtually every facet of life will be changed by automation and technology.

 

[Dale Smith]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

The elite are going to kill off a huge percentage of the population. Read the Georgia Guidestones. Human labor isn't needed much anymore and we have started to cost more than we produce in their eyes.

 

[Cellblock2429]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

/----/ How did past generations deal with the advancement of technology? Or is this the first time in history machines have replaced workers?
View attachment 181844

It is, by no means, the first time this has happened. But the scale is larger. Virtually every facet of life will be changed by automation and technology.

/----/ People need to learn to adapt. Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be permanent careers.
Labor shortage in the United States becoming an increasingly dire issue | GRI
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

The problem is that most companies are needing workers with middle skills that include technical knowledge and a better-than-average understanding of the tools and machines they will operate while also involving a high degree of problem-solving skills. According to a survey of small business owners by U.S. Bank, 61 percent said they were experiencing extreme to moderate difficulty in finding quality skilled workers in order to expand their businesses. The Federal Reserve Bank reported that labor shortages in combination with the need to pay higher wages are “restraining growth” in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and construction.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Great the socialist elite will be able to kill off the peasants with robots unlike the old days when the lackeys did the murdering.

 

[WinterBorn]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

/----/ How did past generations deal with the advancement of technology? Or is this the first time in history machines have replaced workers?
View attachment 181844

It is, by no means, the first time this has happened. But the scale is larger. Virtually every facet of life will be changed by automation and technology.

/----/ People need to learn to adapt. Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be permanent careers.
Labor shortage in the United States becoming an increasingly dire issue | GRI
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

The problem is that most companies are needing workers with middle skills that include technical knowledge and a better-than-average understanding of the tools and machines they will operate while also involving a high degree of problem-solving skills. According to a survey of small business owners by U.S. Bank, 61 percent said they were experiencing extreme to moderate difficulty in finding quality skilled workers in order to expand their businesses. The Federal Reserve Bank reported that labor shortages in combination with the need to pay higher wages are “restraining growth” in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and construction.

It is not just the minimum wage jobs that will be lost. And I pointed out in the OP, 5.6 million manufacturing jobs were lost between 2000 and 2010. Of those jobs lost, 85% were lost to technology. That means 4,760,000 jobs were replaced by technology. Those were, for the most part, the good paying jobs that created our large middle class.

 

[Cellblock2429]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

/----/ How did past generations deal with the advancement of technology? Or is this the first time in history machines have replaced workers?
View attachment 181844

It is, by no means, the first time this has happened. But the scale is larger. Virtually every facet of life will be changed by automation and technology.

/----/ People need to learn to adapt. Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be permanent careers.
Labor shortage in the United States becoming an increasingly dire issue | GRI
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

The problem is that most companies are needing workers with middle skills that include technical knowledge and a better-than-average understanding of the tools and machines they will operate while also involving a high degree of problem-solving skills. According to a survey of small business owners by U.S. Bank, 61 percent said they were experiencing extreme to moderate difficulty in finding quality skilled workers in order to expand their businesses. The Federal Reserve Bank reported that labor shortages in combination with the need to pay higher wages are “restraining growth” in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and construction.

It is not just the minimum wage jobs that will be lost. And I pointed out in the OP, 5.6 million manufacturing jobs were lost between 2000 and 2010. Of those jobs lost, 85% were lost to technology. That means 4,760,000 jobs were replaced by technology. Those were, for the most part, the good paying jobs that created our large middle class.

/——/ Do you know why so many species have died out? They couldn’t adapt. I grew up in a small safe, clean southern town. Think of Opie on Andy of Mayberry. When I graduated from HS, there were no careers unless you were a professional, so I moved to where the jobs were. I found plenty of high paying jobs and acquired the skills and degree to make a great living.

 

[WinterBorn]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

/----/ How did past generations deal with the advancement of technology? Or is this the first time in history machines have replaced workers?
View attachment 181844

It is, by no means, the first time this has happened. But the scale is larger. Virtually every facet of life will be changed by automation and technology.

/----/ People need to learn to adapt. Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be permanent careers.
Labor shortage in the United States becoming an increasingly dire issue | GRI
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

The problem is that most companies are needing workers with middle skills that include technical knowledge and a better-than-average understanding of the tools and machines they will operate while also involving a high degree of problem-solving skills. According to a survey of small business owners by U.S. Bank, 61 percent said they were experiencing extreme to moderate difficulty in finding quality skilled workers in order to expand their businesses. The Federal Reserve Bank reported that labor shortages in combination with the need to pay higher wages are “restraining growth” in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and construction.

It is not just the minimum wage jobs that will be lost. And I pointed out in the OP, 5.6 million manufacturing jobs were lost between 2000 and 2010. Of those jobs lost, 85% were lost to technology. That means 4,760,000 jobs were replaced by technology. Those were, for the most part, the good paying jobs that created our large middle class.

/——/ Do you know why so many species have died out? They couldn’t adapt. I grew up in a small safe, clean southern town. Think of Opie on Andy of Mayberry. When I graduated from HS, there were no careers unless you were a professional, so I moved to where the jobs were. I found plenty of high paying jobs and acquired the skills and degree to make a great living.

I have no doubt you did. But the point is, those jobs are disappearing as technology replaces human workers. Having acquired the skills does not help if the job does not exist. An example? Welders. Welders made decent money. It was a skill. Now machines do it for the equivalent of $8 an hour. Which do you think the business owner will prefer?

 

[Weatherman2020]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

We will do it right this time!

 

[impuretrash]

Stop sending aid to shithole countries and let the rats die

 

[WinterBorn]

Stop sending aid to shithole countries and let the rats die

What does that have to do with the idea that technology is replacing workers at all levels?

 

[WinterBorn]

As our technology advances, there will be fewer and fewer jobs. Those who oppose increases in Minimum Wage have continually pointed out that the unskilled laborers can be replaced by a machine. But technology can replace far more than unskilled laborers.

While many people, and politicians harp on and on about manufacturing jobs going overseas, they ignor the facts.

from: Subscribe to read
"The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade"

Our population is certain not going to stop growing. So we will have more people and fewer jobs.

I am certainly not a fan of socialism. But the idea that large numbers of the population will be allowed to starve because they have no way to earn a living will not work. At some point, even a well educated person will have not available positions for earning a wage.

The question is not 'if' but 'when'.

We will do it right this time!

Do what?

 

[impuretrash]

Stop sending aid to shithole countries and let the rats die

What does that have to do with the idea that technology is replacing workers at all levels?

The only reason overpopulation is a problem is due to foreign aid. It's certainly not happening in civilized countries.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ How did past generations deal with the advancement of technology? Or is this the first time in history machines have replaced workers?
View attachment 181844

It is, by no means, the first time this has happened. But the scale is larger. Virtually every facet of life will be changed by automation and technology.

/----/ People need to learn to adapt. Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be permanent careers.
Labor shortage in the United States becoming an increasingly dire issue | GRI
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

The problem is that most companies are needing workers with middle skills that include technical knowledge and a better-than-average understanding of the tools and machines they will operate while also involving a high degree of problem-solving skills. According to a survey of small business owners by U.S. Bank, 61 percent said they were experiencing extreme to moderate difficulty in finding quality skilled workers in order to expand their businesses. The Federal Reserve Bank reported that labor shortages in combination with the need to pay higher wages are “restraining growth” in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and construction.

It is not just the minimum wage jobs that will be lost. And I pointed out in the OP, 5.6 million manufacturing jobs were lost between 2000 and 2010. Of those jobs lost, 85% were lost to technology. That means 4,760,000 jobs were replaced by technology. Those were, for the most part, the good paying jobs that created our large middle class.

/——/ Do you know why so many species have died out? They couldn’t adapt. I grew up in a small safe, clean southern town. Think of Opie on Andy of Mayberry. When I graduated from HS, there were no careers unless you were a professional, so I moved to where the jobs were. I found plenty of high paying jobs and acquired the skills and degree to make a great living.

I have no doubt you did. But the point is, those jobs are disappearing as technology replaces human workers. Having acquired the skills does not help if the job does not exist. An example? Welders. Welders made decent money. It was a skill. Now machines do it for the equivalent of $8 an hour. Which do you think the business owner will prefer?

/----/ Welders??? Did you not see the link I posted on #7 that specifically mentions welders? When I grew up there was a shortage of Teachers and a surplus of welders
( leftover vets from WWII) Now there is a surplus of teachers and a shortage of welders.
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

 

[WinterBorn]

Stop sending aid to shithole countries and let the rats die

What does that have to do with the idea that technology is replacing workers at all levels?

The only reason overpopulation is a problem is due to foreign aid. It's certainly not happening in civilized countries.

It is not necessarily about OVERpopulation. It is about the population not having enough jobs for the number of workers.

While the US may not be overpopulated, our population continues to grow. And the availability of good jobs is going down.

In 2004 the US population was 304 million
In 2006 the US population was 310 million.
In 2012 The US population was 315 million
In 2014 the US population was 319 million.
In 2016 the US population was 324 million.

 

[WinterBorn]

It is, by no means, the first time this has happened. But the scale is larger. Virtually every facet of life will be changed by automation and technology.

/----/ People need to learn to adapt. Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be permanent careers.
Labor shortage in the United States becoming an increasingly dire issue | GRI
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

The problem is that most companies are needing workers with middle skills that include technical knowledge and a better-than-average understanding of the tools and machines they will operate while also involving a high degree of problem-solving skills. According to a survey of small business owners by U.S. Bank, 61 percent said they were experiencing extreme to moderate difficulty in finding quality skilled workers in order to expand their businesses. The Federal Reserve Bank reported that labor shortages in combination with the need to pay higher wages are “restraining growth” in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and construction.

It is not just the minimum wage jobs that will be lost. And I pointed out in the OP, 5.6 million manufacturing jobs were lost between 2000 and 2010. Of those jobs lost, 85% were lost to technology. That means 4,760,000 jobs were replaced by technology. Those were, for the most part, the good paying jobs that created our large middle class.

/——/ Do you know why so many species have died out? They couldn’t adapt. I grew up in a small safe, clean southern town. Think of Opie on Andy of Mayberry. When I graduated from HS, there were no careers unless you were a professional, so I moved to where the jobs were. I found plenty of high paying jobs and acquired the skills and degree to make a great living.

I have no doubt you did. But the point is, those jobs are disappearing as technology replaces human workers. Having acquired the skills does not help if the job does not exist. An example? Welders. Welders made decent money. It was a skill. Now machines do it for the equivalent of $8 an hour. Which do you think the business owner will prefer?

/----/ Welders??? Did you not see the link I posted on #7 that specifically mentions welders? When I grew up there was a shortage of Teachers and a surplus of welders
( leftover vets from WWII) Now there is a surplus of teachers and a shortage of welders.
Help wanted: more skilled workers
Skilled workers fall into two categories:

• highly skilled such as engineers, scientists, and technicians who carry degrees and advanced degrees in their chosen fields
• workers with “middle skills” requiring more experience than just a high school diploma yet less than a four-year college degree such as welders, electricians, or machinists

And how many jobs, in country with a population of over 320 million, are immune from being replaced by technology and pay enough to be a career?

 

[impuretrash]

Stop sending aid to shithole countries and let the rats die

What does that have to do with the idea that technology is replacing workers at all levels?

The only reason overpopulation is a problem is due to foreign aid. It's certainly not happening in civilized countries.

It is not necessarily about OVERpopulation. It is about the population not having enough jobs for the number of workers.

While the US may not be overpopulated, our population continues to grow. And the availability of good jobs is going down.

In 2004 the US population was 304 million
In 2006 the US population was 310 million.
In 2012 The US population was 315 million
In 2014 the US population was 319 million.
In 2016 the US population was 324 million.

The WHITE population is in decline. Because whites know better than to bring children into this clown world we're living in. We're importing a bunch of jerks from south of the border and other 3rd world shitholes who breed like rabbits.