ADP Report Calls Stimulus Outcome: 18 Months Of Jobs Gains

Then why is the unemployment rate 1.3 % higher than when he took office?

If you're going to attack the guy at least get your dates and numbers correct.

The Recovery Act was passed in Feb of 2009. That month, unemployment was 8.2. In May of this year it was 9.1. So, if you want to attack him, 0.9% is a more accurate number.

Course, none of you has ever shown how the Recovery Act "caused" unemployment to go up, but hey, that's on you now isn't it?
 
Or, as I suspect, this is the part where you loose $100 at the casino, then win $20 and when you get home you tell your wife you won $20, ignoring the fact hat YOU ALSO LOST $100?

Actually, this is a pretty good analogy to our job situation.

We lost $100 at black jack, but then won $40 in the slots. Democrats talk about how we are down $60, but that's not as bad as being down $100. And Republicans talk about how we lost $100 at black jack and now need to sell our house to lower our costs to afford the bill.
 
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Every month more jobs are lost than gained, but if you only go off people being hired, not laid off/fired then I guess it's all gains?
 
Or, as I suspect, this is the part where you loose $100 at the casino, then win $20 and when you get home you tell your wife you won $20, ignoring the fact hat YOU ALSO LOST $100?

Actually, this is a pretty good analogy to our job situation.

We lost $100 at black jack, but then won $40 in the slots. Democrats talk about how we are down $60, but that's not as bad as being down $100. And Republicans talk about how we lost $100 at black jack and now need to sell our house to lower our costs to afford the bill.

Dang, a post I can ALMOST agree with... Of course you added the part of Dems saying they are 60$ down... Like, who? What Dems say this? Elected Democrats only talk about winning that 40$ and most Dems on these boards do too... In all reality if "conservatives" on these boards didn't mention we're still 60$ down it would never be brought up, you would think we actually have job growth each month that out paces job looses...

Of course I’m just a greedy ass sell out Republican hack for mentioning that, right? And you’re not a hack for telling us all its Dems that represent our reality best, like we just saw in the OP LOL, and it’s Republicans that want to destroy the country…

Shit Obama himself never mentions our monthly loses, only our “gains” despite it still be a HUGE loss…

So lets be honest here. “It’s getting worse slower.” Also UE is really 15-20% not 9%. Sitting around praying more people fall off the ass end of unemployment every month than go on it so the numbers can be artificially lowered is run of the mill Washington insider bullshit.
 
Then why is the unemployment rate 1.3 % higher than when he took office?

If you're going to attack the guy at least get your dates and numbers correct.

The Recovery Act was passed in Feb of 2009. That month, unemployment was 8.2. In May of this year it was 9.1. So, if you want to attack him, 0.9% is a more accurate number.

Course, none of you has ever shown how the Recovery Act "caused" unemployment to go up, but hey, that's on you now isn't it?

Obama was inaugurated in January, not February. And in January, the unemployment rate was 7.8%. Now, let's do the math.... 9.1% - 7.8% = +1.3% jump in unemployment - post stimulus.

So, how has he accomplished net job creation? Sounds like he's created net job loss.

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So what became of the on-going Stimulus program after all? In the private sector, 18 months of steady job gains! Those are all Democratic Party created gains. The Republicans virtually universally said, "No!" to any further job gains!

ADP Employment Report

The Party of Abraham Lincoln even famously, took away Santa Clause, the Schedule M in the U. S. Internal Revenue Code. That was the "Make Work Pay," refundable tax credit.

The Republican Party was created at about the same time as Simon Legree: And it shows. Their newly elected, Party of Herbert Hoover state and local people: Are taking even new state and local government jobs away!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Party of Lincoln Treat Santa Clause to A Liberian Movement kind of status!)

you should read the actual reports instead of basing your post on the summary.

BTW, you are severly misleading by saying 'steady jobs gains', when your own source called it simply 'employment gains'. Steady certainly does not apply if you read the actual report.

EDIT: also, the press release specifies that the '18 months of empolyment gains' was for the service-providing sector only...
employment in the service-providing sector rose by 130,000 in June, nearly three times faster than in May, marking 18 consecutive months of employment gains.
...not overall employment.



and this was different from the Bush era in what way?

I guess it is not Obama's economy after all?
 
Obama was inaugurated in January, not February. And in January, the unemployment rate was 7.8%. Now, let's do the math.... 9.1% - 7.8% = +1.3% jump in unemployment - post stimulus.

So, how has he accomplished net job creation? Sounds like he's created net job loss.

I have never claimed otherwise. I merely claimed that the Recovery Act wasn't passed until February of 2009. Since this thread is about the Recovery Act's supposed effects, I think it's more accurate to attack Obama from the start of the Recovery Act. After all, how would the Act impact the economy the month before it was passed?

As for net job creation, I'd have to see some solid numbers, but it could easily be more jobs and more people working now than when he took office, but not so much more that it balanced out population growth.
 
Every month more jobs are lost than gained, but if you only go off people being hired, not laid off/fired then I guess it's all gains?

Again how is this different from the Bush era for the most part?

They all play games with the numbers just like with inflation, generally excluding the 2 things that raise the most and everyone needs. Food and energy.
 
Shit Obama himself never mentions our monthly loses, only our “gains” despite it still be a HUGE loss…

Why should he? If we lose 50,000 and gain 100,000, why focus on the 50,000 lost?

If you lost 50,000 and gained 100,000, the unemployment rate wouldn't be rising. But hey, don't let that bother you.

Again, this could be due to an increase in the population. I believe we need to add 150,000 a month just to break even with population growth. So if we are adding 50,000 only, then the unemployment rate would go up, but, it would not be accurate to say we are losing jobs.
 
So what became of the on-going Stimulus program after all? In the private sector, 18 months of steady job gains! Those are all Democratic Party created gains. The Republicans virtually universally said, "No!" to any further job gains!

ADP Employment Report

The Party of Abraham Lincoln even famously, took away Santa Clause, the Schedule M in the U. S. Internal Revenue Code. That was the "Make Work Pay," refundable tax credit.

The Republican Party was created at about the same time as Simon Legree: And it shows. Their newly elected, Party of Herbert Hoover state and local people: Are taking even new state and local government jobs away!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Party of Lincoln Treat Santa Clause to A Liberian Movement kind of status!)

you should read the actual reports instead of basing your post on the summary.

BTW, you are severly misleading by saying 'steady jobs gains', when your own source called it simply 'employment gains'. Steady certainly does not apply if you read the actual report.

EDIT: also, the press release specifies that the '18 months of empolyment gains' was for the service-providing sector only...
employment in the service-providing sector rose by 130,000 in June, nearly three times faster than in May, marking 18 consecutive months of employment gains.
...not overall employment.



and this was different from the Bush era in what way?

I guess it is not Obama's economy after all?

Uhm, yes it is. His policies haven't netted one private sector job. Period. And in that respect, he is vastly different from Bush.
 
Why should he? If we lose 50,000 and gain 100,000, why focus on the 50,000 lost?

If you lost 50,000 and gained 100,000, the unemployment rate wouldn't be rising. But hey, don't let that bother you.

Again, this could be due to an increase in the population. I believe we need to add 150,000 a month just to break even with population growth. So if we are adding 50,000 only, then the unemployment rate would go up, but, it would not be accurate to say we are losing jobs.

Well, maybe.. I think that's a stretch though. Anyhoo... jobs creation has to out pace population growth as well. The bottom line here, the economy is NOT creating employment, rather employment is decreasing.
 
If you lost 50,000 and gained 100,000, the unemployment rate wouldn't be rising. But hey, don't let that bother you.

Again, this could be due to an increase in the population. I believe we need to add 150,000 a month just to break even with population growth. So if we are adding 50,000 only, then the unemployment rate would go up, but, it would not be accurate to say we are losing jobs.

Well, maybe.. I think that's a stretch though. Anyhoo... jobs creation has to out pace population growth as well. The bottom line here, the economy is NOT creating employment, rather employment is decreasing.

It's not a stretch at all. I double checked the number and we need to add roughly 125,000 jobs per month to keep pace with population. This is pretty commonly accepted by anyone not working at Cato or Heritage. As such, any month we add less we have the chance of unemployment going up. This does NOT mean employment is decreasing. It means we are growing. Employment IS increasing. Just not at the pace we need.
 
Every month more jobs are lost than gained, but if you only go off people being hired, not laid off/fired then I guess it's all gains?

Again how is this different from the Bush era for the most part?

They all play games with the numbers just like with inflation, generally excluding the 2 things that raise the most and everyone needs. Food and energy.

The only person talking about Bush is you, why?

Just because I'm calling out our current President and his admin does not mean I think Bush was Mr. Fuckin Awesome Pants Jr. Let’s keep up to date plz. Looking back at the horrid President Bush made with his polices we should be able to say that Obama and his Dem congress who repealed ZERO Bush policies while expanding many, is a horrid president as well, based off that alone. Past the expansion of many Bush era policies Obama has his own policies that blow ass, their “goals” have to evolve daily because they don’t seem to meet a single benchmark Obama himself set.

Does everyone that understands why Obama has failed us, why he is a shit President need a “I hated Bush too” banner under their name so the debate can stay focused on a President that matters?

Uscitizen, I like that you have come around, that you seem to acknowledge there is a position of Bush sux but, so does Obama… Please realize you’re joining a crowd of million, tens of millions really, possibly hundreds of millions.
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Why should he? If we lose 50,000 and gain 100,000, why focus on the 50,000 lost?

If you lost 50,000 and gained 100,000, the unemployment rate wouldn't be rising. But hey, don't let that bother you.

Again, this could be due to an increase in the population. I believe we need to add 150,000 a month just to break even with population growth. So if we are adding 50,000 only, then the unemployment rate would go up, but, it would not be accurate to say we are losing jobs.

Can you just be honest for 1 post, just one single post, plz? You're such a hack, I mean what do you feel you add to the debate other than making anyone on the fence scared of the left? You're nothing more than the crazy Bush bots that were running around.
 
Again, this could be due to an increase in the population. I believe we need to add 150,000 a month just to break even with population growth. So if we are adding 50,000 only, then the unemployment rate would go up, but, it would not be accurate to say we are losing jobs.

Well, maybe.. I think that's a stretch though. Anyhoo... jobs creation has to out pace population growth as well. The bottom line here, the economy is NOT creating employment, rather employment is decreasing.

It's not a stretch at all. I double checked the number and we need to add roughly 125,000 jobs per month to keep pace with population. This is pretty commonly accepted by anyone not working at Cato or Heritage. As such, any month we add less we have the chance of unemployment going up. This does NOT mean employment is decreasing. It means we are growing. Employment IS increasing. Just not at the pace we need.


WHO THE FUCK CARES! You're point is lost because unless it JUST STARTED when Obama became president every, single fucking, president, in, history, of , the , world, has, had this "problem" too.

It's not as if all these "new people" all of a sudden couldn't start a business. Aww fuck it, nm... Get back to blowing Obama. I mean now it’s “people are having babies!” is causing the problem, LOL! More of the population has a collage education than at anytime in the history of the world and now it’s “population growth” that’s keepin Obama down! Haven’t we slowed WAY down on makin babbies? Maybe there is something to 18 million illegals being in the US! Lol, this is pathetic.
 
Well, maybe.. I think that's a stretch though. Anyhoo... jobs creation has to out pace population growth as well. The bottom line here, the economy is NOT creating employment, rather employment is decreasing.

It's not a stretch at all. I double checked the number and we need to add roughly 125,000 jobs per month to keep pace with population. This is pretty commonly accepted by anyone not working at Cato or Heritage. As such, any month we add less we have the chance of unemployment going up. This does NOT mean employment is decreasing. It means we are growing. Employment IS increasing. Just not at the pace we need.


WHO THE FUCK CARES! You're point is lost because unless it JUST STARTED when Obama became president every, single fucking, president, in, history, of , the , world, has, had this "problem" too.

It's not as if all these "new people" all of a sudden couldn't start a business. Aww fuck it, nm... Get back to blowing Obama. I mean now it’s “people are having babies!” is causing the problem, LOL! More of the population has a collage education than at anytime in the history of the world and now it’s “population growth” that’s keepin Obama down! Haven’t we slowed WAY down on makin babbies? Maybe there is something to 18 million illegals being in the US! Lol, this is pathetic.

I have never said otherwise. Of course every President has had this issue. I am merely pointing the fact that we can have job growth and still see the unemployment rate go up. Such that, if you see the rate go up and claim it shows jobs are lost, that's not accurate. And it's not accurate for any president, even Bush, who currently holds the record for worst job growth in the last century.

As for everyone having a "collage" education, maybe that's the problem. There isn't much demand for collages outside of elementary school.
 
So what became of the on-going Stimulus program after all? In the private sector, 18 months of steady job gains! Those are all Democratic Party created gains. The Republicans virtually universally said, "No!" to any further job gains!

ADP Employment Report

The Party of Abraham Lincoln even famously, took away Santa Clause, the Schedule M in the U. S. Internal Revenue Code. That was the "Make Work Pay," refundable tax credit.

The Republican Party was created at about the same time as Simon Legree: And it shows. Their newly elected, Party of Herbert Hoover state and local people: Are taking even new state and local government jobs away!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Party of Lincoln Treat Santa Clause to A Liberian Movement kind of status!)

Yeeaaaaaaahhhhhh ...

... I don't know about that.
 

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