CDZ According to this anti gunner, more violence is never the answer. Is this true?

[2aguy]

Saw this quote.......and thought.....does this person really think this...or are they so anti gun/anti personal defense that they say it as a reflex...

Quote of the Day: Columbia Chronicle's Psychological Test for Gun Ownership - The Truth About Guns

The original piece....

Chicago needs fewer guns, not more

Fighting violence with more violence is never the answer.

 

[jwoodie]

Do people have an inalienable right to defend their lives and liberty...or not?

The Declaration of Independence: Full text

 

[2aguy]

No, violence is always the answer.

Really....that is an odd thing to believe.

 

[jwoodie]

No, violence is always the answer.

Bumper sticker slogans are never the answer.

 

[Toronado3800]

More proof this is not a Christianity based nation this thread is.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No, violence is always the answer.

Really....that is an odd thing to believe.

You're the prophet of the sect.

Self defense is not violence

 

[Fenton Lum]

No, violence is always the answer.

Really....that is an odd thing to believe.

You're the prophet of the sect.

Self defense is not violence

Of course, it is always about perception and spin isn’t it. And our endless wars of pre-emptive aggression and occupation are about liberty and freedom; that’s not really violence either, depends on who’s behind the trigger.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No, violence is always the answer.

Really....that is an odd thing to believe.

You're the prophet of the sect.

Self defense is not violence

Of course, it is always about perception and spin isn’t it. And our endless wars of pre-emptive aggression and occupation are about liberty and freedom; that’s not really violence either, depends on who’s behind the trigger.

our war mongering hasn't been about self defense since WWII

 

[IceNine]

If a gun would make me and my family safer, I would undoubtedly own one. I'm not convinced that it will, though. When people get shot on the streets of a city, they usually don't see it coming. But I don't live in Chicago, or in a very violent place, so I don't know what the reality of that is like. Overall, I don't believe in a ban on guns. Nor do I believe in the polar opposite view, that anyone who wants one should be allowed to have one (doesn't everyone know or know of at least one person who definitely shouldn't be trusted with a weapon?). Does a society where "everyone" owns a gun make it a safer, less violent one? A person who advocates for less restrictions on gun use will say that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." A person who is for tighter gun control will likely agree that it's not the weapons themselves that are the problem, but underlying social problems. So I think the solution to creating a safer, less violent society where people wouldn't feel the need to arm themselves all the time, depends on on what options there are for the mentally ill, what motivates people to commit crimes, etc. etc. In that sense "more violence" is not the answer. It's more complicated and expensive short-term (but not in the long run), so we stick a band aid on it rather than curing the ills of our own surroundings. Until something is done about the "people who kill people", I doubt anything will really curb violence, not even more guns. If anything, I'd think it would be more likely that a robber shoots you quicker than you can reach for your gun, rather than just threaten you, if he thinks you you are carrying one around.

 

[Daysahead]

No, violence is always the answer.

Bumper sticker slogans are never the answer.

I think the best words on this are the 2nd amendment, agree?

 

[2aguy]

If a gun would make me and my family safer, I would undoubtedly own one. I'm not convinced that it will, though. When people get shot on the streets of a city, they usually don't see it coming. But I don't live in Chicago, or in a very violent place, so I don't know what the reality of that is like. Overall, I don't believe in a ban on guns. Nor do I believe in the polar opposite view, that anyone who wants one should be allowed to have one (doesn't everyone know or know of at least one person who definitely shouldn't be trusted with a weapon?). Does a society where "everyone" owns a gun make it a safer, less violent one? A person who advocates for less restrictions on gun use will say that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." A person who is for tighter gun control will likely agree that it's not the weapons themselves that are the problem, but underlying social problems. So I think the solution to creating a safer, less violent society where people wouldn't feel the need to arm themselves all the time, depends on on what options there are for the mentally ill, what motivates people to commit crimes, etc. etc. In that sense "more violence" is not the answer. It's more complicated and expensive short-term (but not in the long run), so we stick a band aid on it rather than curing the ills of our own surroundings. Until something is done about the "people who kill people", I doubt anything will really curb violence, not even more guns. If anything, I'd think it would be more likely that a robber shoots you quicker than you can reach for your gun, rather than just threaten you, if he thinks you you are carrying one around.

In answer to your question about guns and violence...in 1996 Britain banned and confiscated guns...it is an island nation.....and it has a higher violent crime rate than the rest of Europe and even the United States....

This is a dated article, but it hasn't gotten better over there....

Also....they are now experiencing more and more gun crime....gun crime in Britain is up 4% and in London it is up 7%.....with a ban on guns and absolute gun control....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Notice the rate of the U.S. vs. gun controlled Europe...





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[yiostheoy]

Saw this quote.......and thought.....does this person really think this...or are they so anti gun/anti personal defense that they say it as a reflex...

Quote of the Day: Columbia Chronicle's Psychological Test for Gun Ownership - The Truth About Guns

The original piece....

Chicago needs fewer guns, not more

Fighting violence with more violence is never the answer.

The first link does not work.

The second link simply says if more Chicagoans are going to get guns (presumably licensed CFP's) then more training is warranted.

How can you logically disagree with that ??

More training is always good.

Where are you going with this red herring thread of yours 2aguy ??

 

[2aguy]

Saw this quote.......and thought.....does this person really think this...or are they so anti gun/anti personal defense that they say it as a reflex...

Quote of the Day: Columbia Chronicle's Psychological Test for Gun Ownership - The Truth About Guns

The original piece....

Chicago needs fewer guns, not more

Fighting violence with more violence is never the answer.

The first link does not work.

The second link simply says if more Chicagoans are going to get guns (presumably licensed CFP's) then more training is warranted.

How can you logically disagree with that ??

More training is always good.

Where are you going with this red herring thread of yours 2aguy ??

The first link worked for me.......and it is just taking a quote from the second link.....

I agree....the more training one gets the better it is.....

But....

You cannot mandate training...because if you do, you are using a Literacy Test....like the democrats used to keep blacks from exercising their Right to vote.....to prevent people from accessing their Right to keep and bear arms....this tactic is used in Europe and Japan for the few guns they allow the rich to use and own...to make sure that normal, law abiding people can't own or use the few hunting shotguns that are actually allowed.....

Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to suppress a Right are unConstitutional...

 

[2aguy]

Saw this quote.......and thought.....does this person really think this...or are they so anti gun/anti personal defense that they say it as a reflex...

Quote of the Day: Columbia Chronicle's Psychological Test for Gun Ownership - The Truth About Guns

The original piece....

Chicago needs fewer guns, not more

Fighting violence with more violence is never the answer.

The first link does not work.

The second link simply says if more Chicagoans are going to get guns (presumably licensed CFP's) then more training is warranted.

How can you logically disagree with that ??

More training is always good.

Where are you going with this red herring thread of yours 2aguy ??

How is it a Red Herring Thread...it is an actual quote.....someone actually thinks this...and I put it up for debate...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

More proof this is not a Christianity based nation this thread is.

Um, christians and christianty is pretty violent but its certainly true that the US is not a christian nation. Never was and thanks to the founding fathers' wisdom, it never will be.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If a gun would make me and my family safer, I would undoubtedly own one. I'm not convinced that it will, though. When people get shot on the streets of a city, they usually don't see it coming. But I don't live in Chicago, or in a very violent place, so I don't know what the reality of that is like. Overall, I don't believe in a ban on guns. Nor do I believe in the polar opposite view, that anyone who wants one should be allowed to have one (doesn't everyone know or know of at least one person who definitely shouldn't be trusted with a weapon?). Does a society where "everyone" owns a gun make it a safer, less violent one? A person who advocates for less restrictions on gun use will say that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." A person who is for tighter gun control will likely agree that it's not the weapons themselves that are the problem, but underlying social problems. So I think the solution to creating a safer, less violent society where people wouldn't feel the need to arm themselves all the time, depends on on what options there are for the mentally ill, what motivates people to commit crimes, etc. etc. In that sense "more violence" is not the answer. It's more complicated and expensive short-term (but not in the long run), so we stick a band aid on it rather than curing the ills of our own surroundings. Until something is done about the "people who kill people", I doubt anything will really curb violence, not even more guns. If anything, I'd think it would be more likely that a robber shoots you quicker than you can reach for your gun, rather than just threaten you, if he thinks you you are carrying one around.

In answer to your question about guns and violence...in 1996 Britain banned and confiscated guns...it is an island nation.....and it has a higher violent crime rate than the rest of Europe and even the United States....

This is a dated article, but it hasn't gotten better over there....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

What the hell do you mean even the US? We got guns out the ass we're so peaceful. How many endless wars of occupation are we in that we started again? We do that for peace you america hater!

According to the NRA and the gun nuts, more guns mean more safety. More than 300 guns hasn't accomplished that yet. Its pretty obvious that we need more guns and fewer laws protecting people from those guns.

And please, enough with this "safety training" nonsense. If you know the ammo gets shoved in that little hole, you're good to go.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Saw this quote.......and thought.....does this person really think this...or are they so anti gun/anti personal defense that they say it as a reflex...

Quote of the Day: Columbia Chronicle's Psychological Test for Gun Ownership - The Truth About Guns

The original piece....

Chicago needs fewer guns, not more

Fighting violence with more violence is never the answer.

The first link does not work.

The second link simply says if more Chicagoans are going to get guns (presumably licensed CFP's) then more training is warranted.

How can you logically disagree with that ??

More training is always good.

Where are you going with this red herring thread of yours 2aguy ??

2aguy is an absolute pro at reverse psychology. Every single thread he posts proves more guns kill more people and that a LOT more safety training is desperately needed across the country. That's how he gets people to believe that more guns kill fewer people. Presumably, if one is a "true American", one is born knowing all there is to know about guns.

He's brilliant I tell ya. Just brilliant.

 

[yiostheoy]

If a gun would make me and my family safer, I would undoubtedly own one. I'm not convinced that it will, though. When people get shot on the streets of a city, they usually don't see it coming. But I don't live in Chicago, or in a very violent place, so I don't know what the reality of that is like. Overall, I don't believe in a ban on guns. Nor do I believe in the polar opposite view, that anyone who wants one should be allowed to have one (doesn't everyone know or know of at least one person who definitely shouldn't be trusted with a weapon?). Does a society where "everyone" owns a gun make it a safer, less violent one? A person who advocates for less restrictions on gun use will say that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." A person who is for tighter gun control will likely agree that it's not the weapons themselves that are the problem, but underlying social problems. So I think the solution to creating a safer, less violent society where people wouldn't feel the need to arm themselves all the time, depends on on what options there are for the mentally ill, what motivates people to commit crimes, etc. etc. In that sense "more violence" is not the answer. It's more complicated and expensive short-term (but not in the long run), so we stick a band aid on it rather than curing the ills of our own surroundings. Until something is done about the "people who kill people", I doubt anything will really curb violence, not even more guns. If anything, I'd think it would be more likely that a robber shoots you quicker than you can reach for your gun, rather than just threaten you, if he thinks you you are carrying one around.

In answer to your question about guns and violence...in 1996 Britain banned and confiscated guns...it is an island nation.....and it has a higher violent crime rate than the rest of Europe and even the United States....

This is a dated article, but it hasn't gotten better over there....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

What the hell do you mean even the US? We got guns out the ass we're so peaceful. How many endless wars of occupation are we in that we started again? We do that for peace you america hater!

According to the NRA and the gun nuts, more guns mean more safety. More than 300 guns hasn't accomplished that yet. Its pretty obvious that we need more guns and fewer laws protecting people from those guns.

And please, enough with this "safety training" nonsense. If you know the ammo gets shoved in that little hole, you're good to go.

Well I am still glad that my State Legislature gives me the right to carry concealed 24/7/365 everywhere.

Anyone who tries to take me will get 10 shots of lead fired at them whether they kill me or not.

 

[Onyx]

Self defense is not violence

Yes, it is defined as violence.

 

[Onyx]

Aggression in never justified. I don't believe in preventive violence either.

Defensive violence is justified to me when it comes to immediate threats on your life or freedom.