Abbas wants to offer concessions with Arab cover

[P F Tinmore]

GAZA, (PIC)-- Mahmoud Abbas, the PA chief whose term in office expired over a year ago, is pressuring the Arab countries to support negotiations with Israel without halting settlement activity and without any commitment to Palestinian rights, Taher Al-Nunu, the spokesman of the PA government in Gaza, said.

He added in a statement to Quds Press on Wednesday that Abbas and his Ramallah authority want to give away Palestinian rights, "a thing that we will never permit".

The negotiations would only beautify Israel's image, Nunu said, charging Abbas with attempting to offer concessions with Arab cover.

Anything that results from those negotiations would not be binding to the Palestinian people, the spokesman underlined.

He said that those embarking on negotiations represent an isolated group of our people and almost all Palestinian factions had rejected those talks.

Nunu: Abbas wants to offer concessions with Arab cover

 

[jillian]

Why would israel agree to things BEFORE negotiations?

Who does that???? Other than Israel who is ever ASKED to do that?

But thanks for proving once again that it isn't "justice" you want, it's just spreading propaganda.

 

[boedicca]

Everytime I see Abbas, I think the group ABBA has spawned offspring.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why would israel agree to things BEFORE negotiations?

Who does that???? Other than Israel who is ever ASKED to do that?

But thanks for proving once again that it isn't "justice" you want, it's just spreading propaganda.

Israel always demands huge concessions from Palestinians before any talks can begin.

 

[Marc39]

Why would israel agree to things BEFORE negotiations?

Who does that???? Other than Israel who is ever ASKED to do that?

But thanks for proving once again that it isn't "justice" you want, it's just spreading propaganda.

Israel always demands huge concessions from Palestinians before any talks can begin.

You're the Forum Dunce.
In the 2000 Camp David peace talks, in the presence of Bill Clinton, Israel offered 100% of Gaza and 95% of the West Bank, including a $30 BILLION foreign aid package. Arafat rejected the Israeli offer.

Pallies made no concessions.

In his memoir, Clinton writes the Israeli proposal was so "good" that he was surprised Arafat was "foolish" to reject it.

Saudi intermediary Prince Bandar ordered Arafat to accept the offer, saying it was so strong, and when he rejected it, Bandar fumed at Arafat that he committed "a crime against the Palestinian people and against the entire region"

Earlier, Israel surrendered Sinai to Egypt in exchange for peace, a landmass 3x the size of Israel and with oil reserves. Egypt made no concessions.

Israel also has ceded 50% of the West Bank as part of the Oslo Accords. Pallies made no concessions.

The Pallies have made no concessions for peace.

Your ignorance on these matters is why you are the Forum Dunce.

You're the Forum Dunce.

 

[jillian]

Arafat rejected it because he knew he'd be killed by his own terrorists. I believe his exact words were that he'd love to sign but he'd "be drinking tea with Rabin".

Sadat lost his life making peace.

Rabin lost his life for wanting peace.

Arafat was a coward.

 

[Marc39]

Arafat rejected it because he knew he'd be killed by his own terrorists. I believe his exact words were that he'd love to sign but he'd "be drinking tea with Rabin".

Sadat lost his life making peace.

Rabin lost his life for wanting peace.

Arafat was a coward.

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

 

[jillian]

he's a typical terrorist supporter...

spams the board with misinformation and disinformation and swears to every lie.

 

[Marc39]

he's a typical terrorist supporter...

spams the board with misinformation and disinformation and swears to every lie.

He's mentally impaired. He's to be pitied.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arafat rejected it because he knew he'd be killed by his own terrorists. I believe his exact words were that he'd love to sign but he'd "be drinking tea with Rabin".

Sadat lost his life making peace.

Rabin lost his life for wanting peace.

Arafat was a coward.

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

Dennis Ross is a lying sack of crap. Arafat walked away from Camp David because the proposal sucked.

You don't even know what the proposal was.

 

[Marc39]

Arafat rejected it because he knew he'd be killed by his own terrorists. I believe his exact words were that he'd love to sign but he'd "be drinking tea with Rabin".

Sadat lost his life making peace.

Rabin lost his life for wanting peace.

Arafat was a coward.

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

Dennis Ross is a lying sack of crap. Arafat walked away from Camp David because the proposal sucked.

You don't even know what the proposal was.

And, you're a mentally impaired troll and Forum Dunce.

 

[jillian]

Arafat rejected it because he knew he'd be killed by his own terrorists. I believe his exact words were that he'd love to sign but he'd "be drinking tea with Rabin".

Sadat lost his life making peace.

Rabin lost his life for wanting peace.

Arafat was a coward.

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

Dennis Ross is a lying sack of crap. Arafat walked away from Camp David because the proposal sucked.

You don't even know what the proposal was.

not according to Arafat, nutbar.

 

[Marc39]

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

Dennis Ross is a lying sack of crap. Arafat walked away from Camp David because the proposal sucked.

You don't even know what the proposal was.

not according to Arafat, nutbar.

Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, no friend to Israel, ordered Arafat to accept the Israeli proposal because it was so strong.

The Forum Dunce is mentally impaired, as has been demonstrated, thus, he is not to be taken seriously. Just laugh at him.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Arafat rejected it because he knew he'd be killed by his own terrorists. I believe his exact words were that he'd love to sign but he'd "be drinking tea with Rabin".

Sadat lost his life making peace.

Rabin lost his life for wanting peace.

Arafat was a coward.

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

Arafat walked away from Barak/Clinton's offer for the same reason Abbas had refused to respond to Olmert's offer: because what they were after was never an Arab state living in peace next to Israel but the destruction of the state of Israel. This is why no offer from Israel that would allow the Jewish state of Israel to live in peace will be acceptable to the Arabs anytime in the foreseeable future. Perhaps Abbas and Fayyad might want to agree to a peaceful two state solution, but after four generations of promising the Arabs in the territories a victory over the Jews that will turn Israel into an Arab state, no Arab politician who tries to deliver anything less will survive for very long.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arafat rejected it because he knew he'd be killed by his own terrorists. I believe his exact words were that he'd love to sign but he'd "be drinking tea with Rabin".

Sadat lost his life making peace.

Rabin lost his life for wanting peace.

Arafat was a coward.

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

Arafat walked away from Barak/Clinton's offer for the same reason Abbas had refused to respond to Olmert's offer: because what they were after was never an Arab state living in peace next to Israel but the destruction of the state of Israel. This is why no offer from Israel that would allow the Jewish state of Israel to live in peace will be acceptable to the Arabs anytime in the foreseeable future. Perhaps Abbas and Fayyad might want to agree to a peaceful two state solution, but after four generations of promising the Arabs in the territories a victory over the Jews that will turn Israel into an Arab state, no Arab politician who tries to deliver anything less will survive for very long.

In addition, Israel would control the Palestinian state's water resources, borders and customs. Palestinians said this was not an offer of peace but a demand for complete surrender. They said they were not offered a state but a "prison camp".

Palestinians also resented that their ties to Jerusalem, the historical center of Palestine, were ignored. Palestinians were further offended that Israel demanded that Palestinians give up some 15% of the West Bank, which was also the best and most fertile land, in exchange for a much smaller swathe of land in the Negev desert that is essentially unusable.

Camp David 2000 Summit between Palestinians and Israel - Discussion and Encyclopedia Article. Who is Camp David 2000 Summit between Palestinians and Israel? What is Camp David 2000 Summit between Palestinians and Israel? Where is Camp David 2000 Summ

 

[Marc39]

According to Dennis Ross, Arafat walked away from Camp David because in his heart, Arafat was a terrorist and terrorists simply do not make peace.

Whatever the reason, the Forum Dunce was incorrect suggesting Israel doesn't make concessions, as he always is.

He's the Forum Dunce.

Arafat walked away from Barak/Clinton's offer for the same reason Abbas had refused to respond to Olmert's offer: because what they were after was never an Arab state living in peace next to Israel but the destruction of the state of Israel. This is why no offer from Israel that would allow the Jewish state of Israel to live in peace will be acceptable to the Arabs anytime in the foreseeable future. Perhaps Abbas and Fayyad might want to agree to a peaceful two state solution, but after four generations of promising the Arabs in the territories a victory over the Jews that will turn Israel into an Arab state, no Arab politician who tries to deliver anything less will survive for very long.

In addition, Israel would control the Palestinian state's water resources, borders and customs. Palestinians said this was not an offer of peace but a demand for complete surrender. They said they were not offered a state but a "prison camp".

Palestinians also resented that their ties to Jerusalem, the historical center of Palestine, were ignored. Palestinians were further offended that Israel demanded that Palestinians give up some 15% of the West Bank, which was also the best and most fertile land, in exchange for a much smaller swathe of land in the Negev desert that is essentially unusable.

Camp David 2000 Summit between Palestinians and Israel - Discussion and Encyclopedia Article. Who is Camp David 2000 Summit between Palestinians and Israel? What is Camp David 2000 Summit between Palestinians and Israel? Where is Camp David 2000 Summ

You're an idiot and your link is BOGUS. Bill Clinton has written in his own memoir that the Israeli peace proposal at Camp David was so "good" that he was surprised Arafat was "foolish" to reject it.

Israel does not control Palestinians' water now and never has. Palestinians have failed to live up to water agreements in failing to develop water filtration systems

Palestinians have no ties to Jerusalem. Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims whose attachments are to Mecca and Medina in Arabia. Jerusalem is mentioned zero times in the Quran and 700 times in the Old Testament.

Don't pretend to know anything about the matter because you're a clumsy dolt who is the Forum Dunce.

You're the Forum Dunce.

 

[JW Frogen]

Behold the power of religion, people wil fight over a desert with no oil or future.

 

[Marc39]

Behold the power of religion, people wil fight over a desert with no oil or future.

Except, Jews have transformed desert into orange groves and microprocessor plants.
Arabs are camel drivers stuck in the 7th century.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Behold the power of religion, people wil fight over a desert with no oil or future.

Except, Jews have transformed desert into orange groves and microprocessor plants.
Arabs are camel drivers stuck in the 7th century.

A British missionary who lived in Beirut and visited Palestine in 1859 described the southern coastal area as "a very ocean of wheat," and the British Consul in Jerusalem, James Finn, reported that "the fields would do credit to British farming."(5)

The German geographer Alexander Scholch concluded that between 1856 and 1882 "Palestine produced a relatively large agricultural surplus which was marketed in neighboring countries, such as Egypt and Lebanon, and increasingly exported to Europe. These exports included wheat, barley, dura, maise, sesame, olive oil, soap, oranges, vegetables and cotton. Among the European importers of Palestinian produce were France, England, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Malta."(6)

Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."(7) This Palestinian wheat had historically played an important part in international commerce. According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."(8)

Agricultural techniques in Palestine, especially in citriculture, were among the most advanced in the world long before the first Zionist settlers came to its shores. In 1856, the American consul in Jerusalem, Henry Gillman, "outlined reasons why orange growers in Florida would find it advantageous to adopt Palestinian techniques of grafting directly onto lemon trees."^ In 1893, the British Consul advised his government of the value of importing "young trees procured from Jaffa" to improve production in Australia and South Africa.(10)

All of this historical evidence from unimpeachable eyewitnesses destroys Israel's contention that it developed Palestine through its colonization. The legend that the Zionists have created, that they made "the desert bloom with roses," is totally without foundation. It is a ploy to gain donations from naive Jews throughout the world and to help extort economic aid from the American Congress. The economic achievements of Israel today are built totally on the capital base of lands, property and possessions usurped from the Palestinian Arabs.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of Palestine

 

[Marc39]

Behold the power of religion, people wil fight over a desert with no oil or future.

Except, Jews have transformed desert into orange groves and microprocessor plants.
Arabs are camel drivers stuck in the 7th century.

A British missionary who lived in Beirut and visited Palestine in 1859 described the southern coastal area as "a very ocean of wheat," and the British Consul in Jerusalem, James Finn, reported that "the fields would do credit to British farming."(5)

The German geographer Alexander Scholch concluded that between 1856 and 1882 "Palestine produced a relatively large agricultural surplus which was marketed in neighboring countries, such as Egypt and Lebanon, and increasingly exported to Europe. These exports included wheat, barley, dura, maise, sesame, olive oil, soap, oranges, vegetables and cotton. Among the European importers of Palestinian produce were France, England, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Malta."(6)

Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."(7) This Palestinian wheat had historically played an important part in international commerce. According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."(8)

Agricultural techniques in Palestine, especially in citriculture, were among the most advanced in the world long before the first Zionist settlers came to its shores. In 1856, the American consul in Jerusalem, Henry Gillman, "outlined reasons why orange growers in Florida would find it advantageous to adopt Palestinian techniques of grafting directly onto lemon trees."^ In 1893, the British Consul advised his government of the value of importing "young trees procured from Jaffa" to improve production in Australia and South Africa.(10)

All of this historical evidence from unimpeachable eyewitnesses destroys Israel's contention that it developed Palestine through its colonization. The legend that the Zionists have created, that they made "the desert bloom with roses," is totally without foundation. It is a ploy to gain donations from naive Jews throughout the world and to help extort economic aid from the American Congress. The economic achievements of Israel today are built totally on the capital base of lands, property and possessions usurped from the Palestinian Arabs.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of Palestine

Another bogus cut and paste job, doofus?

The Palestine Royal Commission Report presented to the British Cabinet...

The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land [to Jews] and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews.

The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought. [by Jews]