A turning point and the direction we take?

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    A viewpoint from across the pond that only confirms for me that we are at a crossroads in our political life, having drifted along for a number of decades until we've reached "today." IMHO this will be the most critical election within my awareness, the final result determining whether we remain that exceptional country and a continued world leader or whether we slowly deteriorate into just another third world country.

    May we all be wise enough..........

    We should tune in to the Romney and Ryan show - Telegraph
     
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    You're right, OR.

    Electoral no toss up maps don't impress many voters who reside in the land of reality.

    And I see you've finally abandoned Obama's RCP "lead". Guess that rapidly dropping "average" showing a ONE-TENTH of a point lead ain't all that impressive.

    Have a great day!! :)
     
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    Even if Romney has some brilliant economic plan do you think he could implement it? Look at the RNC convention. It was an organizational nightmare. Romney has no leadership qualities. Even if he want to grow business in a way which would benefit all Americans in the long run, which I absolutely don't believe, he could not do it. If Romney was president about the only thing that would be running full steam is the neocon machine.
     
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    Romney has run businesses, sucessful ones for years, and you say he has no leadership qualtities? You mean he has no hollywood qualities. It's time to look at the substance of the man, instead of his looks. Try that on Obama for once and you'll see where his ideals come from. On the other hand, I've found that alot of Obama supports are sold on the idea that we need a socialist government, which is a complete change to the constituion.

    All Romney has to do is return to the ideals that our country was founded on, pretty simple huh?
     
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    Which companies and which years? And there are a few more people than just me asking that question right about now.
     
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    Take a look here: Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    He was in management consulting, helping failing businesses regroup and become profitable again. If you don't understand that, then you should look into what that is. BUt there is your management experience. Staples, Domino's pizza, sports authority, and the olympics. He has the leadership qualities. Now you can point to the failures, but no one is ever not going to have some failures.

    His record can be show, as can Obama's.
     
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    I am not entirely sure that America will enter an irreversable decline should Obama be re-elected. Even if the dems also retain control of the Senate, it will be by the slimmest of margins, and I do not believe thy can retake the House. If all this is true, then we're in for another 4 years of gridlock and economic stagnation, teetering on the brink of recession/depression and just muddling through at 2 or 3% growth. And that's assuming they avoid the taxmageddon that hits Jan 1, 2013.

    And what if Romney wins? He still has to deal with an evenly divided Senate that may not be any more inclined to help him than they have Obama since 2010. Romney can make some adminstrative changes, I think different policies that are friendlier to businesses could make perhaps a one point difference in economic growth, but without the support of Congress his success would be muted.

    So, we still got trouble no matter who wins, because their economic philosophies are so radically different. Neither side looks to be willing to bend, and so the meaningful change we need ain't going to happen any time soon. I thnk we need a very strong leader to emerge pretty soon or we need to suffer through some bad times; maybe then we'll finally work together on solutions.
     
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    Guess I don't understand your logic.....

    In your first post, you claim Romney is disorganized and has no leadership qualities, basically eliminating him from being a successfull business man. In your opinion, of course

    But in your second post, you ask about the businesses he's run.

    You seem to be revealing your general ignorance about Mitt's background or your ignorance of what Wikipedia is or perhaps something else entirely.

    But what IS evident is that you've not provided a single detail that would even come close to proving what the rest of the world seems to know.
     

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