a True Patriot

[eots]

DING DING DING!!!! We have another candidate for retroactive abortion!!

unfortunately the retroactive abortions turned out to be the children in the day care.. from bombs.. that elements within the government.. let happen..assisted in happening.. for their political and propaganda purposes..just like the first wtc attack and 911





OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Officials had prior knowledge of bombing
McVeigh's contacts, activities known to ATF year in advance


By Jon Dougherty
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms memo shows that the agency knew about the activities of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a year before the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, while dozens of witnesses have testified that federal, state and local officials had prior knowledge of the bombing.
According to a new 500-page report authored by the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Commission, led by former state Rep. Charles Key, "many people in Oklahoma City began to recall … conversations they had had or overheard," indicating that "the federal government had prior knowledge of an impending attack on the Murrah Building



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[RetiredGySgt]

unfortunately the retroactive abortions turned out to be the children in the day care.. from bombs.. that elements within the government.. let happen..assisted in happening.. for their political and propaganda purposes..just like the first wtc attack and 911





OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Officials had prior knowledge of bombing
McVeigh's contacts, activities known to ATF year in advance


By Jon Dougherty
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms memo shows that the agency knew about the activities of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a year before the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, while dozens of witnesses have testified that federal, state and local officials had prior knowledge of the bombing.
According to a new 500-page report authored by the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Commission, led by former state Rep. Charles Key, "many people in Oklahoma City began to recall … conversations they had had or overheard," indicating that "the federal government had prior knowledge of an impending attack on the Murrah Building



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You are amazing. You truly should seek medical attention.

 

[jreeves]

I was speaking more to the criticism of the US. I actually hadn't heard that he called for the genocide of the caucasian peoples, but it matters little to how I think of it. I doubt that you will find any of this in the least bit convincing, but here are a few considerations.

1. What did the language mean to the intended listeners? Wright's parish has a history and experience with Wright. They can put certain words in context with other things he has said. Was he merely being emotive? I don't know, but his parish would probably know when to take him literally and when not to.

2. Do the same words mean the same thing when said by a black person than when said by a white person? You obviously feel that they do. I don't personally believe that. I think we (or many of us) recognize different standards for black people and white people. There is much greater tolerance for racist language by a black person than by a white person. Perhaps there shouldn't be, but there is. I can understand the historical and cultural reasons for this.

3. In the end, the language is secondary to the intent. Do you believe that Wright believes all the worst things you have heard him say? Yes? No? Not sure? How you feel about him (and Obama) will obviously reflect how you come down on this question.

I'm sorry this is funny, I'm not trying to be mean. But do you think you would give the same treatment to worthless bastards such as the KKK? Maybe we should try to take into context why the KKK feels the way they do?(Hell no we shouldn't we both know they are ignorant racist) The same goes for black liberation theologist, they are ignorant racist.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The govt bureaucratic mess in Washington....all of a sudden going through a radical organization process, and then conspiring to pull off 911. Lol, just priceless.

 

[eots]

You are amazing. You truly should seek medical attention.

im just presenting facts ..you prefer to interpret as long series of totally improbable coincidences..and government bungling..or better yet try to dismiss it as if it doesnt exist and deny there is historical precedents for such behaviour and that.. I find amazing..and sad

At the very least, the commission's report said, officials had "a general warning of an attack in the Oklahoma City area" or at several other locations around the country -- all of which had been put on alert that day.

Portions of the new report -- made available exclusively to WorldNetDaily -- included a copy of an April 30, 1995, ATF intelligence memo written by Special Agent Angela Finley.

"In August 1994 this agent began an investigation of White Aryan Resistance (W.A.R.) leader Dennis Mahon and Elohim City," an Oklahoma-based center for right-wing extremists, the memo said. "Confidential Informant has close ties with Mahon and has visited Elohim City on numerous occasions."

The "confidential informant," the commission's report said, turned out to be Carol Howe, who at one time was Mahon's lover but who was recruited as an informant for the ATF after she and Mahon had a falling out.

"W.A.R. trains at Elohim City and Posse Comitatus" -- another extremist group -- "members also frequent" the area, said the memo.

"ATF is primary enemy of all three (sic) people," the memo continued. "Elohim City's leader Robert Millar was contacted by McVeigh April 5, 1995, after he had contacted Ryder rental that day."

The ATF's mention of McVeigh and the Ryder truck -- most likely the same truck used in the OKC bombing -- was corroborated by the Key commission, which interviewed a Pennsylvania attorney about another Ryder truck incident near Oklahoma City just days before the attack.

What the attorney, who requested anonymity, wrote in a Dec. 7, 1997, e-mail to the Key commission seemed to suggest that other law enforcement agencies were aware of not only a possible threat to structures in Oklahoma City, but also that some officials even knew how a portion of the attack would be carried out:

"I have clients in Ohio who have an adult babysitter who, with two of her female relatives, moved a load of household goods from California to Ohio. Their route took them through Oklahoma City several days before the explosion. They had rented a Ryder truck for this trip and, as they drove near Oklahoma City, they were pulled over by several Oklahoma state troopers. … You can imagine their shock when, a few days later, the explosion occurred, and it was revealed that a Ryder truck was involved."

At the request of the commission, the report said, the attorney contacted the oldest of the three women -- the mother of the other two -- to find out more details about the stop.

"She said the stop occurred four days before the explosion," the attorney wrote in an e-mail to the commission, following his interview of the women. "There were three Oklahoma State Police cars involved, but there was no search. The first trooper who approached [the women's Ryder truck] did so with gun drawn," the memo said.

"After a few questions regarding who the women were, where they were coming from and where they were heading, they were told they could go. No explanations, no tickets, just a frightening stop and the shock of the explosion days later," the attorney wrote.

ATF gets prior warning

About two months before the bombing, the commission said ATF informant Howe "reported that members of Elohim City were making plans to bomb federal buildings and assassinate politicians. Howe reported that members of the group had begun staking out federal buildings in Oklahoma City and Tulsa."

As WND reported earlier, witnesses who were employed in the Murrah Building said they saw McVeigh and others there in the days prior to the bombing.

Besides McVeigh, Howe -- in her reports to the ATF -- said Dennis Mahon and "a West German national, Andreas Carl Strassmeir," were involved in staking out the building. Howe said they had made trips to Oklahoma City in November and December 1994, and again in February 1995, to inspect the Murrah building specifically.

"She also advised that militants within their group were advising that action needed to be taken by April 19th," which is formally known as Patriot's Day in the U.S. and is also the anniversary of the FBI's final raid against the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas.

Another ATF informant, Cary Gagan, was also able to provide federal officials with prior warning and knowledge of planned domestic terrorist attacks.

Gagan told the commission that "due to his ability and reputation for obtaining false identification papers, he was approached by Arab-looking individuals who offered him $250,000 to help them in a bombing plot," the commission's report said.

"Gagan usually met with these individuals in and around the Kingman, Ariz., area," the report said. "He knew them as Omar and Ahmad. They were often in the company of an unidentified third man."

The commission said Gagan informed the U.S. Department of Justice in September 1994 "that he had been approached by these men to take part in the bombing of a federal building somewhere in the Midwest," the report said, adding that "the plot included Latin American conspirators."

He was given a letter of immunity by the Justice Department and he "continued to meet with the individuals who recruited him," the commission's report continued.

"On March 17, 1995, Gagan met with these people in a motel room in Las Vegas, where they examined drawings of the Murrah Building," said the report. "Three times Gagan was sent by the group to Oklahoma City to case the building. He said he reported these occurrences to Justice Department officials in Denver."

In the bombing's aftermath, Gagan filed a civil lawsuit against the federal government for withdrawing his immunity without advising him and for "attempting to prevent him from testifying in the criminal and civil trials resulting" from the attack, the commission said.

"He alleged the government took this action in order to cover up their wronging in not acting on the bomb warning he had provided to them," the commission said.

Regarding the ATF's specific prior knowledge, then-Director John McGaw, in a news conference May 25, 1995, said he had ordered the agency's field offices to be more alert.

"I was very concerned," McGaw said. "We did some things here in headquarters and in all our field offices throughout the country to try to be more observant."

ATF absent from Murrah Building

According to the Key commission's report, several witnesses reported that ATF agents were not in the Murrah Building the morning of the bombing because, as some alleged, agents had been warned ahead of time to stay out.

Tiffany Bible, a paramedic with OKC's Emergency Medical Services Authority -- the city's ambulance service -- arrived four to five minutes after the bombing, she told the commission.

"She recalls having thought that there must have been a natural gas line explosion," the report said. "She approached an entrance to the building where an ATF agent was standing and asked how a gas line explosion could do that much damage. The agent replied that it was the result of a car bomb."

Bible "expressed concern" to the agent, the report said, "because there were fellow agents of his in the building. The agent responded by saying, 'No, we weren't in there today.'"

Another witness, Bruce Shaw -- whose wife worked in the Murrah Building at the Federal Credit Union -- testified that another ATF agent said "agents were tipped on their pagers not to come into the office that morning," the report said.

And Katherine E. Mallette, an Emergency Medical Technician-Intermediate -- also with EMSA -- said in a sworn affidavit to the commission that, as her ambulance was waiting to transport victims to area hospitals, "two ATF agents walked by … and she heard one of the agents say to the other, 'Is that why we got the page not to come in today?'" the report said.

ATF officials denied having any prior knowledge of the bombing and especially denied warning agents stationed in the Murrah Building not to report for duty the morning of the bombing.

Director McGaw, at the time, said it was not uncommon for agents not to be in the office, because they were likely out working cases or in court.

But, the commission found, witnesses in the Murrah Building who worked for different agencies and offices there said they had noticed that the ATF contingent in the office the morning of the bombing -- reported to be about five persons -- was smaller than usual.

Other witnesses discuss prior warnings

A number of other witnesses, the commission said, testified to instances that seem to indicate federal, state and local officials knew an attack was coming.

A female Army captain who was stationed at Walter Reed Medical Center at the time of the bombing said her office had "received two phone calls" from "a person [who] identified himself as 'Pentagon' or 'congressional liaison to the governor of Oklahoma's office,'" the report said.

The officer said the man on the phone had asked to speak to a doctor about medical protocols, and "specifically about 'triage for victims of blast overpressure.'"

Also, in a sworn affidavit to the commission dated Dec. 10, 1997, Jeffrey H. Broyles, who was an inmate in the custody of United States deputy marshals, was being transported from the Oklahoma County Jail in OKC to the McCloud [Okla.] Correctional Facility, said the report.

"Sometime between 8:30 and 8:40 a.m." the morning of the bombing, the report said, quoting Broyles' affidavit, "a radio dispatch came in. At the end of it, a female officer made a statement to a male officer, 'I wonder why they're going to evacuate the federal building.'"

About ten minutes later, "another dispatch came in," the report said. "The male officer made the comment, 'Well, now they're not going to evacuate it.'"

Harvey Weathers, then a deputy fire chief for the Oklahoma City Fire Department, told the commission that the FBI "issued a warning the week prior to the bombing for them [the fire department] to be on alert."

In a later interview with USA Today, Weathers elaborated, saying the OKCFD "did receive a report on Friday, April 14, about 'some possibilities of some people entering the city over the weekend,'" the commission's report noted.

Calena Flo Groves, an OKC Police Department dispatcher, contacted Key personally to "volunteer information concerning a call she had taken on approximately April 12, 1995," the report said.

"The caller told Groves that he had overheard two men discussing a bomb plot," said the report. "The man also said he had heard the name 'Nichols' mentioned by the two men" who were discussing it.

"When police officers did not arrive to take his statement, the man called and talked to Groves two or three more times," the commission said. "Groves told interviewers Roger Charles and Charles Key [commission members] that she did not believe the caller was impaired or unbalanced, as depicted in the police report, which was not filed until after the bombing,"

Randy Yount, a park ranger for the Oklahoma Tourism and Recreation Department, said in a sworn affidavit that he saw a friend of his -- a member of the local sheriff's department bomb squad -- within minutes after the bombing.

Yount, the commission reported, said he learned of the bombing after feeling the explosion in his west Oklahoma City suburb and turning on local TV. He then headed downtown after putting on his uniform to see if he could help.

After a state trooper dropped him off at the Murrah Building, he saw his bomb squad friend and went over to speak to him.

Yount told the commission his friend said: "Yeah, we've been down here since early this morning looking. We got word that there was going to be a bomb, and we thought it was going to be the courthouse. We went over everything and couldn't find anything."

Renee Cooper, who lost her infant son who was in the daycare center of the Murrah Building the day of the bombing, told the commission she saw "several men in dark jackets with the words 'Bomb Squad' written on them standing in front of the Federal Courthouse, across the street south of the Murrah Building, at 8:05 a.m.," said the report.

Commission's conclusions

The commission concluded that "federal, state, county and city officials were obviously given some kind of warning prior to the bombing," but "how specific that warning was, we do not know."

The report said the warning could have been "a general alert to be more vigilant," as some government agencies have said and -- with some agencies -- "this may be true."

"But with other government entities, the threat seems to have been more specific," the commission said. "The presence of the bomb squad in the downtown area that morning and the page to the ATF agents telling them to not come into the office supports this conclusion."

"We question why government agencies have tried to quash these reports," the commission's report said, as well as why those same agencies "have provided disinformation and have tried to discredit the witnesses. …"

Related stories:

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[Gunny]

What may seem like nothing but a blanket statement to you may have seemed like something more to the intended audience. Both greater exposure to Wright and different perspectives on the world generally may have enabled them to read something more into his words than you do - as black and white (couldn't help myself) as the words seemed to you.

Interesting concept.

How come it doesn't work for whites when THEY say something about being discriminated against by laws/rules that unfairly favor ethnic minorities?

Why is it we Casper the Ghosts can't read something more into policies that discriminte against us?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Eots your insistance that because they knew something might happen that they then were part of it when it happened or covered it up afterward is the problem.

Let us look at it simply. IF the Government were involved, why would they go on alert at all? Why would they tell people there was a danger?

Your paranoia is the problem.

You take information, filter it through your " they are guilty" lense and then twist it to meet your criteria.

I know well how paranoia works. The difference is I have learned how to test my paranoid thoughts against reality and when found lacking accept that while I may believe something, the evidence tells me I am wrong.

 

[eots]

]Eots your insistance that because they knew something might happen that they then were part of it when it happened or covered it up afterward is the problem.

Let us look at it simply. IF the Government were involved, why would they go on alert at all? Why would they tell people there was a danger?

they told their agents no one else directly..and the government or elements of the government where involved in the minimum of letting it happen..I'm the case of wtc first attack... funded and guided it...fact..not everyone is involved there are many good meaning police and Intel people trying to stop these events they are not the guilty party's IE ..john O'Neil/911

Your paranoia is the problem.
You take information, filter it through your " they are guilty" lense and then twist it to meet your criteria.

I know well how paranoia works. The difference is I have learned how to test my paranoid thoughts against reality and when found lacking accept that while I may believe something, the evidence tells me I am wrong.[/

QUOTE]

I have no problems with any kind of metal illness I am activly engaged in life my family, my releationships, i dont live in fear as.. upset as i may be over the state of the nation.... nor do the commission that wrote this report or others that question these events or the signatory's of the the patriots petition..the evidence has been researched to great lengths and none of this was something i found easy to except..i excepted it with great difficulty after the evidence left me no alternative..like everyone else that's taken the time to discover the truth

 

[ReillyT]

I'm sorry this is funny, I'm not trying to be mean. But do you think you would give the same treatment to worthless bastards such as the KKK? Maybe we should try to take into context why the KKK feels the way they do?(Hell no we shouldn't we both know they are ignorant racist) The same goes for black liberation theologist, they are ignorant racist.

You are not being mean. I didn't think you would get it, or if you did get it, I was pretty sure you wouldn't buy it.

No, I don't think the KKK gets the same latitude. As I said, there are different standards for racial and racist language by Blacks and Whites. I absolutely understand why this is the case. In addition, the KKK has a particularly violent history of backing rhetoric up with lynchings. That makes a difference.

Anyway, the central question remains: Do you believe that Wright (and even more importantly Obama) actually follows the worst aspects of this ideology? I don't think so for Wright, and I feel certain that Obama doesn't. If you feel differently (and are being honest with yourself), then I think this should quite clearly influence your vote.

 

[ReillyT]

Interesting concept.

How come it doesn't work for whites when THEY say something about being discriminated against by laws/rules that unfairly favor ethnic minorities?

Why is it we Casper the Ghosts can't read something more into policies that discriminte against us?

I think many people would either say they are whining. There is not a strict consistency in how the different races, or even different issues, are viewed.

However, Obama doesn't see it that way. In his speech in Philadelphia he spoke to exactly the issue you are referring to. He recognized the unfairness of perceptions towards middle-class whites who understandably are apprehensive about minority preferences in the face of their own difficult efforts to care for their families. It was a kick-ass speech whatever you think of him. If you haven't seen it, I would suggest pulling it up on youtube.

 

[Gunny]

I think many people would either say they are whining. There is not a strict consistency in how the different races, or even different issues, are viewed.

However, Obama doesn't see it that way. In his speech in Philadelphia he spoke to exactly the issue you are referring to. He recognized the unfairness of perceptions towards middle-class whites who understandably are apprehensive about minority preferences in the face of their own difficult efforts to care for their families. It was a kick-ass speech whatever you think of him. If you haven't seen it, I would suggest pulling it up on youtube.

Sorry. I'm not a 1930's German. I'm not sold by good salesmen. Words not backed by action mean very little.

 

[ReillyT]

Sorry. I'm not a 1930's German. I'm not sold by good salesmen. Words not backed by action mean very little.

When he is elected President, we will be able to test the rhetoric. I look forward to the day.

 

[jreeves]

You are not being mean. I didn't think you would get it, or if you did get it, I was pretty sure you wouldn't buy it.

No, I don't think the KKK gets the same latitude. As I said, there are different standards for racial and racist language by Blacks and Whites. I absolutely understand why this is the case. In addition, the KKK has a particularly violent history of backing rhetoric up with lynchings. That makes a difference.

Anyway, the central question remains: Do you believe that Wright (and even more importantly Obama) actually follows the worst aspects of this ideology? I don't think so for Wright, and I feel certain that Obama doesn't. If you feel differently (and are being honest with yourself), then I think this should quite clearly influence your vote.

Really liberation theology doesn't subscribe to violence, it's a mix of black power and christianity admitted by its founder, James Cone. Well here you go, you can watch the video for yourself.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/black_power.html
Martin Luther King, Jr., believed that Black Power was ‘‘essentially an emotional concept’’ that meant ‘‘different things to different people,’’ but he worried that the slogan carried ‘‘connotations of violence and separatism’’ and opposed its use (King, 32; King, 14 October 1966). The controversy over Black Power reflected and perpetuated a split in the civil rights movement between organizations that maintained that nonviolent methods were the only way to achieve civil rights goals and those organizations that had become frustrated and were ready to adopt violence and black separatism.
On 16 June 1966, while completing the march begun by James Meredith, Stokely Carmichael of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) rallied a crowd in Greenwood, Mississippi, with the cry, ‘‘We want Black Power!’’ Although SNCC members had used the term during informal conversations, this was the first time Black Power was used as a public slogan. Asked later what he meant by the term, Carmichael said, ‘‘When you talk about black power you talk about bringing this country to its knees any time it messes with the black man … any white man in this country knows about power. He knows what white power is and he ought to know what black power is’’ (‘‘Negro Leaders on ‘Meet the Press’’’). In the ensuing weeks, both SNCC and the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) repudiated nonviolence and embraced militant separatism with Black Power as their objective.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/black_power.html

 

[CrimsonWhite]

im just presenting facts ..you prefer to interpret as long series of totally improbable coincidences..and government bungling..or better yet try to dismiss it as if it doesnt exist and deny there is historical precedents for such behaviour and that.. I find amazing..and sad

At the very least, the commission's report said, officials had "a general warning of an attack in the Oklahoma City area" or at several other locations around the country -- all of which had been put on alert that day.

Portions of the new report -- made available exclusively to WorldNetDaily -- included a copy of an April 30, 1995, ATF intelligence memo written by Special Agent Angela Finley.

"In August 1994 this agent began an investigation of White Aryan Resistance (W.A.R.) leader Dennis Mahon and Elohim City," an Oklahoma-based center for right-wing extremists, the memo said. "Confidential Informant has close ties with Mahon and has visited Elohim City on numerous occasions."

The "confidential informant," the commission's report said, turned out to be Carol Howe, who at one time was Mahon's lover but who was recruited as an informant for the ATF after she and Mahon had a falling out.

"W.A.R. trains at Elohim City and Posse Comitatus" -- another extremist group -- "members also frequent" the area, said the memo.

"ATF is primary enemy of all three (sic) people," the memo continued. "Elohim City's leader Robert Millar was contacted by McVeigh April 5, 1995, after he had contacted Ryder rental that day."

The ATF's mention of McVeigh and the Ryder truck -- most likely the same truck used in the OKC bombing -- was corroborated by the Key commission, which interviewed a Pennsylvania attorney about another Ryder truck incident near Oklahoma City just days before the attack.

What the attorney, who requested anonymity, wrote in a Dec. 7, 1997, e-mail to the Key commission seemed to suggest that other law enforcement agencies were aware of not only a possible threat to structures in Oklahoma City, but also that some officials even knew how a portion of the attack would be carried out:

"I have clients in Ohio who have an adult babysitter who, with two of her female relatives, moved a load of household goods from California to Ohio. Their route took them through Oklahoma City several days before the explosion. They had rented a Ryder truck for this trip and, as they drove near Oklahoma City, they were pulled over by several Oklahoma state troopers. … You can imagine their shock when, a few days later, the explosion occurred, and it was revealed that a Ryder truck was involved."

At the request of the commission, the report said, the attorney contacted the oldest of the three women -- the mother of the other two -- to find out more details about the stop.

"She said the stop occurred four days before the explosion," the attorney wrote in an e-mail to the commission, following his interview of the women. "There were three Oklahoma State Police cars involved, but there was no search. The first trooper who approached [the women's Ryder truck] did so with gun drawn," the memo said.

"After a few questions regarding who the women were, where they were coming from and where they were heading, they were told they could go. No explanations, no tickets, just a frightening stop and the shock of the explosion days later," the attorney wrote.

ATF gets prior warning

About two months before the bombing, the commission said ATF informant Howe "reported that members of Elohim City were making plans to bomb federal buildings and assassinate politicians. Howe reported that members of the group had begun staking out federal buildings in Oklahoma City and Tulsa."

As WND reported earlier, witnesses who were employed in the Murrah Building said they saw McVeigh and others there in the days prior to the bombing.

Besides McVeigh, Howe -- in her reports to the ATF -- said Dennis Mahon and "a West German national, Andreas Carl Strassmeir," were involved in staking out the building. Howe said they had made trips to Oklahoma City in November and December 1994, and again in February 1995, to inspect the Murrah building specifically.

"She also advised that militants within their group were advising that action needed to be taken by April 19th," which is formally known as Patriot's Day in the U.S. and is also the anniversary of the FBI's final raid against the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas.

Another ATF informant, Cary Gagan, was also able to provide federal officials with prior warning and knowledge of planned domestic terrorist attacks.

Gagan told the commission that "due to his ability and reputation for obtaining false identification papers, he was approached by Arab-looking individuals who offered him $250,000 to help them in a bombing plot," the commission's report said.

"Gagan usually met with these individuals in and around the Kingman, Ariz., area," the report said. "He knew them as Omar and Ahmad. They were often in the company of an unidentified third man."

The commission said Gagan informed the U.S. Department of Justice in September 1994 "that he had been approached by these men to take part in the bombing of a federal building somewhere in the Midwest," the report said, adding that "the plot included Latin American conspirators."

He was given a letter of immunity by the Justice Department and he "continued to meet with the individuals who recruited him," the commission's report continued.

"On March 17, 1995, Gagan met with these people in a motel room in Las Vegas, where they examined drawings of the Murrah Building," said the report. "Three times Gagan was sent by the group to Oklahoma City to case the building. He said he reported these occurrences to Justice Department officials in Denver."

In the bombing's aftermath, Gagan filed a civil lawsuit against the federal government for withdrawing his immunity without advising him and for "attempting to prevent him from testifying in the criminal and civil trials resulting" from the attack, the commission said.

"He alleged the government took this action in order to cover up their wronging in not acting on the bomb warning he had provided to them," the commission said.

Regarding the ATF's specific prior knowledge, then-Director John McGaw, in a news conference May 25, 1995, said he had ordered the agency's field offices to be more alert.

"I was very concerned," McGaw said. "We did some things here in headquarters and in all our field offices throughout the country to try to be more observant."

ATF absent from Murrah Building

According to the Key commission's report, several witnesses reported that ATF agents were not in the Murrah Building the morning of the bombing because, as some alleged, agents had been warned ahead of time to stay out.

Tiffany Bible, a paramedic with OKC's Emergency Medical Services Authority -- the city's ambulance service -- arrived four to five minutes after the bombing, she told the commission.

"She recalls having thought that there must have been a natural gas line explosion," the report said. "She approached an entrance to the building where an ATF agent was standing and asked how a gas line explosion could do that much damage. The agent replied that it was the result of a car bomb."

Bible "expressed concern" to the agent, the report said, "because there were fellow agents of his in the building. The agent responded by saying, 'No, we weren't in there today.'"

Another witness, Bruce Shaw -- whose wife worked in the Murrah Building at the Federal Credit Union -- testified that another ATF agent said "agents were tipped on their pagers not to come into the office that morning," the report said.

And Katherine E. Mallette, an Emergency Medical Technician-Intermediate -- also with EMSA -- said in a sworn affidavit to the commission that, as her ambulance was waiting to transport victims to area hospitals, "two ATF agents walked by … and she heard one of the agents say to the other, 'Is that why we got the page not to come in today?'" the report said.

ATF officials denied having any prior knowledge of the bombing and especially denied warning agents stationed in the Murrah Building not to report for duty the morning of the bombing.

Director McGaw, at the time, said it was not uncommon for agents not to be in the office, because they were likely out working cases or in court.

But, the commission found, witnesses in the Murrah Building who worked for different agencies and offices there said they had noticed that the ATF contingent in the office the morning of the bombing -- reported to be about five persons -- was smaller than usual.

Other witnesses discuss prior warnings

A number of other witnesses, the commission said, testified to instances that seem to indicate federal, state and local officials knew an attack was coming.

A female Army captain who was stationed at Walter Reed Medical Center at the time of the bombing said her office had "received two phone calls" from "a person [who] identified himself as 'Pentagon' or 'congressional liaison to the governor of Oklahoma's office,'" the report said.

The officer said the man on the phone had asked to speak to a doctor about medical protocols, and "specifically about 'triage for victims of blast overpressure.'"

Also, in a sworn affidavit to the commission dated Dec. 10, 1997, Jeffrey H. Broyles, who was an inmate in the custody of United States deputy marshals, was being transported from the Oklahoma County Jail in OKC to the McCloud [Okla.] Correctional Facility, said the report.

"Sometime between 8:30 and 8:40 a.m." the morning of the bombing, the report said, quoting Broyles' affidavit, "a radio dispatch came in. At the end of it, a female officer made a statement to a male officer, 'I wonder why they're going to evacuate the federal building.'"

About ten minutes later, "another dispatch came in," the report said. "The male officer made the comment, 'Well, now they're not going to evacuate it.'"

Harvey Weathers, then a deputy fire chief for the Oklahoma City Fire Department, told the commission that the FBI "issued a warning the week prior to the bombing for them [the fire department] to be on alert."

In a later interview with USA Today, Weathers elaborated, saying the OKCFD "did receive a report on Friday, April 14, about 'some possibilities of some people entering the city over the weekend,'" the commission's report noted.

Calena Flo Groves, an OKC Police Department dispatcher, contacted Key personally to "volunteer information concerning a call she had taken on approximately April 12, 1995," the report said.

"The caller told Groves that he had overheard two men discussing a bomb plot," said the report. "The man also said he had heard the name 'Nichols' mentioned by the two men" who were discussing it.

"When police officers did not arrive to take his statement, the man called and talked to Groves two or three more times," the commission said. "Groves told interviewers Roger Charles and Charles Key [commission members] that she did not believe the caller was impaired or unbalanced, as depicted in the police report, which was not filed until after the bombing,"

Randy Yount, a park ranger for the Oklahoma Tourism and Recreation Department, said in a sworn affidavit that he saw a friend of his -- a member of the local sheriff's department bomb squad -- within minutes after the bombing.

Yount, the commission reported, said he learned of the bombing after feeling the explosion in his west Oklahoma City suburb and turning on local TV. He then headed downtown after putting on his uniform to see if he could help.

After a state trooper dropped him off at the Murrah Building, he saw his bomb squad friend and went over to speak to him.

Yount told the commission his friend said: "Yeah, we've been down here since early this morning looking. We got word that there was going to be a bomb, and we thought it was going to be the courthouse. We went over everything and couldn't find anything."

Renee Cooper, who lost her infant son who was in the daycare center of the Murrah Building the day of the bombing, told the commission she saw "several men in dark jackets with the words 'Bomb Squad' written on them standing in front of the Federal Courthouse, across the street south of the Murrah Building, at 8:05 a.m.," said the report.

Commission's conclusions

The commission concluded that "federal, state, county and city officials were obviously given some kind of warning prior to the bombing," but "how specific that warning was, we do not know."

The report said the warning could have been "a general alert to be more vigilant," as some government agencies have said and -- with some agencies -- "this may be true."

"But with other government entities, the threat seems to have been more specific," the commission said. "The presence of the bomb squad in the downtown area that morning and the page to the ATF agents telling them to not come into the office supports this conclusion."

"We question why government agencies have tried to quash these reports," the commission's report said, as well as why those same agencies "have provided disinformation and have tried to discredit the witnesses. …"

Related stories:

FBI ignores 'John Does'

OKC's lost information

Witnesses heard more than 1 blast

FBI refused 22 witness testimonies

McVeigh, Nichols 'did not act alone'

OKC blast said linked to bin Laden

OKC: 'We knew this was going to happen'

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22888

I think your tin foil hat is on too tight.

 

[jreeves]

Really liberation theology doesn't subscribe to violence, it's a mix of black power and christianity admitted by its founder, James Cone. Well here you go, you can watch the video for yourself.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/black_power.html
Martin Luther King, Jr., believed that Black Power was ‘‘essentially an emotional concept’’ that meant ‘‘different things to different people,’’ but he worried that the slogan carried ‘‘connotations of violence and separatism’’ and opposed its use (King, 32; King, 14 October 1966). The controversy over Black Power reflected and perpetuated a split in the civil rights movement between organizations that maintained that nonviolent methods were the only way to achieve civil rights goals and those organizations that had become frustrated and were ready to adopt violence and black separatism.
On 16 June 1966, while completing the march begun by James Meredith, Stokely Carmichael of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) rallied a crowd in Greenwood, Mississippi, with the cry, ‘‘We want Black Power!’’ Although SNCC members had used the term during informal conversations, this was the first time Black Power was used as a public slogan. Asked later what he meant by the term, Carmichael said, ‘‘When you talk about black power you talk about bringing this country to its knees any time it messes with the black man … any white man in this country knows about power. He knows what white power is and he ought to know what black power is’’ (‘‘Negro Leaders on ‘Meet the Press’’’). In the ensuing weeks, both SNCC and the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) repudiated nonviolence and embraced militant separatism with Black Power as their objective.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/black_power.html

Opps I posted the King article twice, here is Cone's video.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/03/video-20-mintues-with-black-liberation.html

 

[ReillyT]

Really liberation theology doesn't subscribe to violence, it's a mix of black power and christianity admitted by its founder, James Cone. Well here you go, you can watch the video for yourself.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/black_power.html
Martin Luther King, Jr., believed that Black Power was ‘‘essentially an emotional concept’’ that meant ‘‘different things to different people,’’ but he worried that the slogan carried ‘‘connotations of violence and separatism’’ and opposed its use (King, 32; King, 14 October 1966). The controversy over Black Power reflected and perpetuated a split in the civil rights movement between organizations that maintained that nonviolent methods were the only way to achieve civil rights goals and those organizations that had become frustrated and were ready to adopt violence and black separatism.
On 16 June 1966, while completing the march begun by James Meredith, Stokely Carmichael of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) rallied a crowd in Greenwood, Mississippi, with the cry, ‘‘We want Black Power!’’ Although SNCC members had used the term during informal conversations, this was the first time Black Power was used as a public slogan. Asked later what he meant by the term, Carmichael said, ‘‘When you talk about black power you talk about bringing this country to its knees any time it messes with the black man … any white man in this country knows about power. He knows what white power is and he ought to know what black power is’’ (‘‘Negro Leaders on ‘Meet the Press’’’). In the ensuing weeks, both SNCC and the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) repudiated nonviolence and embraced militant separatism with Black Power as their objective.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/black_power.html

So to point out that black liberation theology (a rather vague term) is the equivalent of the KKK, you bring out rhetoric by Stokely Carmichael in the 1960s?

 

[jreeves]

So to point out that black liberation theology (a rather vague term) is the equivalent of the KKK, you bring out rhetoric by Stokely Carmichael in the 1960s?

That's what the founder, James Cone, based his theology on.

 

[ReillyT]

That's what the founder, James Cone, based his theology on.

Here is another quote from James Cone.

BILL MOYERS: You said in that speech at Harvard that you hoped by linking the cross and the lynching tree to begin a conversation in America about race.

JAMES CONE: Yes.

BILL MOYERS: What would you like us to be talking about?

JAMES CONE: I'd like for us, first, to talk to each other. And I'd like to talk about what it would mean to be one community, one people. Really one people.

BILL MOYERS: What would it mean?

JAMES CONE: It would mean that we would talk about the lynching tree. We would talk about slavery. We would talk about the good and the bad all mixed up there. We would begin to see ourselves as a family. Martin King called it the beloved community. That's what he was struggling for.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11232007/watch.html

The whole interview is on the site. I encourage you to read it.

 

[Taomon]

Yep affirmative action definetly benefited whites.

Affirmative action was not a Nixon mandate. What I said was that white reaped most of the benefits of racial inequality...until the mid to late 1970's when Nixon destroyed the Bretton Woods system.

This created an ever widening gap between the rich and the poor. It was the middle class who were hit the hardest...white working class people.

When Affirmative Action came along, whites hated it because for the first time in American history they felt what black people had been going through for decades.

Whites screamed bloody murder and to this day denounce affirmative action. Where were those cries when it was blacks experiencing these inequities?

 

[jreeves]

Here is another quote from James Cone.



http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11232007/watch.html

The whole interview is on the site. I encourage you to read it.

And he says basically in one of his interviews whites today have to make up for the atrocities committed by their ancestors for them to be accepted. I mean if you want to take his comments into context then keep reading, Dr. King didn't agree with his radicalism for a reason.