A New Form of Treason in the US

[Bonzi]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

Treason is when you try to Fundamentally Transform this Free Country into a Socialist Country and take the citizens rights away. I have yet to see anyone go to trial for such treason...Notice I said the word "YET"?

 

[WinterBorn]

According to Merriam Webster, the definition of "Treason" is:
"the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family"

It has nothing to do with socialism. There are many forms of gov't. If someone tries to overthrow the gov't, whether to install socialism or democracy, they are guilty of treason. The Founding Fathers of our nation were guilty of treason. But winning the war and becoming an independent nation removed the threat of prosecution.

 

[playtime]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

ummm.... no.

first of all, treason can only be considered in a time of war; although some can accurately say we are in a 'cyber' war. unless that is officially declared (which it won't as long as republicans control congress) ... treason is off the table.

secondly - this is a nation of laws. not men. the constitution is the cornerstone of our government & just like any person enlisting in the military, those that are employed by the government, whether it's a civilian hire or an elected individual pledges loyalty to the constitution - NOT the person that occupies the office of the president.

5 U.S. Code § 3331 - Oath of office

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

5 U.S. Code § 3331 - Oath of office

that is why mueller is a patriot. he's going after traitors.... no matter who it is & how high it goes.

 

[J.E.D]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

No

Go back to sleep, snowflake.

 

[Crixus]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

What’s going on against Trump is a flat out overthrow attempt. The only thing missing are all the little villagers running around with machetes settling political scores. The Token Negro would have declared martial law had he been gone after this way.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

According to Merriam Webster, the definition of "Treason" is:
"the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family"

It has nothing to do with socialism. There are many forms of gov't. If someone tries to overthrow the gov't, whether to install socialism or democracy, they are guilty of treason. The Founding Fathers of our nation were guilty of treason. But winning the war and becoming an independent nation removed the threat of prosecution.

But it does, the Constitution of the United States, keep US citizens free, while Socialism is all about government control whether it is Far Right Socialism/Fascism, or Far Left Socialism/Communism. Once Socialism takes control all freedoms go away, and soon tyranny happens. Every fucking time. Don't fucking doubt me..

The Road to Serfdom - Wikipedia

that fascism, National Socialism and socialism had common roots in central economic planning and empowering the state over the individual.

 

[dcbl]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

treason is too harsh of a word

but counterproductive to American interests at a minimum

 

[Bonzi]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

No

Go back to sleep, snowflake.

It's just a discussion. I'm not saying it is or isn't treason, however, I will say it is our duty and responsibility to support our elected leaders and wish for the best for our country. I felt that way about Obama and Trump. I would NEVER wish them to fail.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

ummm.... no.

first of all, treason can only be considered in a time of war; although some can accurately say we are in a 'cyber' war. unless that is officially declared (which it won't as long as republicans control congress) ... treason is off the table.

secondly - this is a nation of laws. not men. the constitution is the cornerstone of our government & just like any person enlisting in the military, those that are employed by the government, whether it's a civilian hire or an elected individual pledges loyalty to the constitution - NOT the person that occupies the office of the president.

5 U.S. Code § 3331 - Oath of office

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

5 U.S. Code § 3331 - Oath of office

that is why mueller is a patriot. he's going after traitors.... no matter who it is & how high it goes.

that is why mueller is a patriot.

You were okay up to this point, then I knew you are a flaming lefty lunatic..

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

Per Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution…

Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.​

 

[HaShev]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

It's not the going against the Gov't it's treason to start a (soft) coup to overthrow the democratic rights of the electorate who voted their candidate in.
To use illegal means like leaking, sabotage foreign affairs and put agents and military at risk through disclosing operations and classified info.
To abuse power and literally
obstruct justice including using racketeering & threats to compromise gov't agents and agencies.
To take money for foreign favors is treason-right Hillary?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

I would say that putting party loyalty before loyalty to one's country is closer to treason than not kissing the ass of the POTUS.

All of the party zealots on this site from both sides put party before country.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Not treason, but certainly subversive. Especially the media.

 

[Toro]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

Of course not.

The Trump supporters who view him as their Orange Messiah conflate criticism of their God as treason, but they are too warped in their idolatry to understand the difference between loyalty to one’s country and a cult of personality.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

I would say that putting party loyalty before loyalty to one's country is closer to treason than not kissing the ass of the POTUS.

All of the party zealots on this site from both sides put party before country.

So Fundamentally Transforming the Country is good, while "Make America Great Again" is bad.. Fucking moderates, are spineless liberals too ashamed to call themselves liberals..Right Gator?

 

[Toro]

Not treason, but certainly subversive. Especially the media.

Such as?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Can Treason be defined as simply "disloyalty"?

If so, is what is going on against Trump a form of Treason?

Of course not.

The Trump supporters who view him as their Orange Messiah conflate criticism of their God as treason, but they are too warped in their idolatry to understand the difference between loyalty to one’s country and a cult of personality.

We don't see President Trump as a messiah like you libtards did with the 1/2 white, homosexual, community agitator. Once again, if a liberal is saying we are doing it, then they are just confirming that they did.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Not treason, but certainly subversive. Especially the media.

Such as?

When a liberal asks such a stupid question like this, reminds me of liberal thinking again.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Not treason, but certainly subversive. Especially the media.

Such as?

Purposefully "reporting" one-sided news, specifically, leaving out a portion of a story that shows the opposite of the implication the reporter is making. This happens daily.
Two equally intelligent people, one watching CNN and one watching fox...can honestly believe two opposite sides of an issue based on what they heard. Obviously this is by design.