9/11 facts to discuss....

[MikeK]

[...]

A pre-planned setting of controlled demolition is far simpler than you think.

[...]

You know that to be a fact? If so, please provide a technical outline of the type and quantity of the cutting charges, the number of charges used on each floor and the timing sequences.

Then explain the time lapse between the airliner strikes and commencement of the collapses. Why the delay in detonation, which imposed the risk of ruining the critical timing sequences?

Do you really believe it possible, even during a general overhaul, for sappers to wire the structural framework of the World Trade Center towers with explosives without at least one of the dozens of tradesmen, electricians, plumbers, HVAC mechanics, carpenters, tinsmiths, steam-fitters, painters and structural inspectors who routinely move about the service corridors noticing it. And let's not forget about the armed security staff that patrolled those towers and monitor the presence and activities of all tradesmen working there?

Are you aware that what you're suggesting is an explosive demolition project the size of which is far greater and far more intricate than any such project ever attempted anywhere in the world?

And presuming that maximum destruction was the objective of the attack, why would the perpetrators take the trouble to perform an intricately controlled vertical collapse when the use of one explosive mass to effect a lateral collapse of the buildings, which would have significantly increased the level damage in the surrounding area, would have been infinitely simpler to effect because it would have required only one properly placed charge in both buildings.

The purpose of controlled demolition is to avoid damage, not create it.

 

[Patriot911]

[...]

A pre-planned setting of controlled demolition is far simpler than you think.

[...]

You know that to be a fact? If so, please provide a technical outline of the type and quantity of the cutting charges, the number of charges used on each floor and the timing sequences.

Then explain the time lapse between the airliner strikes and commencement of the collapses. Why the delay in detonation, which imposed the risk of ruining the critical timing sequences?

Do you really believe it possible, even during a general overhaul, for sappers to wire the structural framework of the World Trade Center towers with explosives without at least one of the dozens of tradesmen, electricians, plumbers, HVAC mechanics, carpenters, tinsmiths, steam-fitters, painters and structural inspectors who routinely move about the service corridors noticing it. And let's not forget about the armed security staff that patrolled those towers and monitor the presence and activities of all tradesmen working there?

Are you aware that what you're suggesting is an explosive demolition project the size of which is far greater and far more intricate than any such project ever attempted anywhere in the world?

And presuming that maximum destruction was the objective of the attack, why would the perpetrators take the trouble to perform an intricately controlled vertical collapse when the use of one explosive mass to effect a lateral collapse of the buildings, which would have significantly increased the level damage in the surrounding area, would have been infinitely simpler to effect because it would have required only one properly placed charge in both buildings.

The purpose of controlled demolition is to avoid damage, not create it.

WAAAAAAY too much logic and common sense for the average truthtard to be able to handle, much less the bunch on this site! Spot on, though.

Don't expect a response from CD. He gets proven wrong, goes off to cry for a while, then comes back and spams the exact same shit yet again. He is an attention whore and nothing more.

 

[Mr. Jones]

[...]

A pre-planned setting of controlled demolition is far simpler than you think.

[...]

You know that to be a fact? If so, please provide a technical outline of the type and quantity of the cutting charges, the number of charges used on each floor and the timing sequences.

Then explain the time lapse between the airliner strikes and commencement of the collapses. Why the delay in detonation, which imposed the risk of ruining the critical timing sequences?

Do you really believe it possible, even during a general overhaul, for sappers to wire the structural framework of the World Trade Center towers with explosives without at least one of the dozens of tradesmen, electricians, plumbers, HVAC mechanics, carpenters, tinsmiths, steam-fitters, painters and structural inspectors who routinely move about the service corridors noticing it. And let's not forget about the armed security staff that patrolled those towers and monitor the presence and activities of all tradesmen working there?

Are you aware that what you're suggesting is an explosive demolition project the size of which is far greater and far more intricate than any such project ever attempted anywhere in the world?

And presuming that maximum destruction was the objective of the attack, why would the perpetrators take the trouble to perform an intricately controlled vertical collapse when the use of one explosive mass to effect a lateral collapse of the buildings, which would have significantly increased the level damage in the surrounding area, would have been infinitely simpler to effect because it would have required only one properly placed charge in both buildings.

The purpose of controlled demolition is to avoid damage, not create it.

WAAAAAAY too much logic and common sense for the average truthtard to be able to handle, much less the bunch on this site! Spot on, though.

Don't expect a response from CD. He gets proven wrong, goes off to cry for a while, then comes back and spams the exact same shit yet again. He is an attention whore and nothing more.

You are nothing but a paid shill and whore on this forum to spread disinformation and muddy the truth any way you can, and you suck at it, I expect you should be reprimanded by your handlers for looking like such an obvious fool and getting your ass handed to you time and again.
You never ever answer any questions, witnessed by your dismissal of when you were asked why, the WTC 7 steel collapsed at the same symmetrical rate and free fall of a CD, you have no answer and avoid it. Why the steel at 7 fell and other building infernos didn't you site building design, and avoid the actual question of the steel.
You have been exposed as an agent troll, you and your agency can all go fuck yourselves. See ya troll, you've been trounced yet again.

 

[Patriot911]

You are nothing but a paid shill and whore on this forum to spread disinformation and muddy the truth any way you can, and you suck at it, I expect you should be reprimanded by your handlers for looking like such an obvious fool and getting your ass handed to you time and again.
You never ever answer any questions, witnessed by your dismissal of when you were asked why, the WTC 7 steel collapsed at the same symmetrical rate and free fall of a CD, you have no answer and avoid it. Why the steel at 7 fell and other building infernos didn't you site building design, and avoid the actual question of the steel.
You have been exposed as an agent troll, you and your agency can all go fuck yourselves. See ya troll, you've been trounced yet again.

Oh LOOK! It's Mr. Jones pretending he is relevant again! I answered all your questions, you fucking liar. The very fact you claim I "never ever" answer "any" questions should be a big red flag to anyone and everyone that you are a mentally deranged pathological liar that is in the middle of a psychotic episode!

I just love it when truthtards get all worked up like that and have a meltdown!

 

[Obamerican]

you should have sent this by pm to the truthers.shills such as Gam and Parrot have no interest in facts.

You're a PROVEN idiot. Shut up!!

 

[Obamerican]

why don't you just?

Why don't you simply support a new investigation to clear up the many disturbing facts that paint a picture there was more to the biggest criminal act in United States history....

Especially when President Bush would allow less funding to investigate the biggest criminal act in United States history than was allowed to investigate Bill Clinton cheating on his wife Hillary?

WOW!!! I'll support a new investigation just to see what new shit you come up with when the results are NOT what YOU want.

 

[psikeyhackr]

It is certainly curious that so many experts can spend so many years discussing skyscrapers without talking about how the steel has to be distributed just so one can hold itself up under NORMAL circumstances.

Was the amount of steel on the 10th floor the same as what was on the 105th?

How much difference was there?

Experts are so good at explaining the obvious.

psik

 

[Patriot911]

It is certainly curious that so many experts can spend so many years discussing skyscrapers without talking about how the steel has to be distributed just so one can hold itself up under NORMAL circumstances.

Was the amount of steel on the 10th floor the same as what was on the 105th?

How much difference was there?

Experts are so good at explaining the obvious.

psik

Unless I've been right all along and you're wrong. You always ignore that little possibility in your endless quest to get ANYONE to validate your silliness.

Look at it this way.... by the time the collapse gets down to the 10th floor, you have one hundred floors of debris coming down. Do you really think the 10th floor should be able to somehow stop all that debris?

 

[Gamolon]

Creative, are you going to address this or not? If the floors were connected on the OUTSIDE of the core columns and on the INSIDE of the perimeter columns, how could your statement that the floors fell THROUGH the all the vertical supports columns be true?

Or are you going to ignore this little gem of yours?

No explanation for why you got this wrong?

No answer Creative? Are you afraid to admit you're completely wrong?

Gee.

I wonder why Creative won't answer...

 

[eots]

It is certainly curious that so many experts can spend so many years discussing skyscrapers without talking about how the steel has to be distributed just so one can hold itself up under NORMAL circumstances.

Was the amount of steel on the 10th floor the same as what was on the 105th?

How much difference was there?

Experts are so good at explaining the obvious.

psik

Unless I've been right all along and you're wrong. You always ignore that little possibility in your endless quest to get ANYONE to validate your silliness.

Look at it this way.... by the time the collapse gets down to the 10th floor, you have one hundred floors of debris coming down. Do you really think the 10th floor should be able to somehow stop all that debris?

you mean the clouds of dust ? clouds of dust took out the lower floors in secs ?

 

[Patriot911]

It is certainly curious that so many experts can spend so many years discussing skyscrapers without talking about how the steel has to be distributed just so one can hold itself up under NORMAL circumstances.

Was the amount of steel on the 10th floor the same as what was on the 105th?

How much difference was there?

Experts are so good at explaining the obvious.

psik

Unless I've been right all along and you're wrong. You always ignore that little possibility in your endless quest to get ANYONE to validate your silliness.

Look at it this way.... by the time the collapse gets down to the 10th floor, you have one hundred floors of debris coming down. Do you really think the 10th floor should be able to somehow stop all that debris?

you mean the clouds of dust ? clouds of dust took out the lower floors in secs ?

Are you seriously so fucking ignorant that you think the only debris was concrete dust? Wow! And just when I think you dumbshits can't say ANYTHING more stupid than you already have, you go and prove me wrong! Don't get use to it. It is the only way someone of your caliber (or lack thereof) will ever prove me wrong.

 

[creativedreams]

This comic sums up another 9/11 fact...what a joke 9/11 official story is...no pun intended...

 

[Gamolon]

It is certainly curious that so many experts can spend so many years discussing skyscrapers without talking about how the steel has to be distributed just so one can hold itself up under NORMAL circumstances.

Was the amount of steel on the 10th floor the same as what was on the 105th?

How much difference was there?

Experts are so good at explaining the obvious.

psik

Unless I've been right all along and you're wrong. You always ignore that little possibility in your endless quest to get ANYONE to validate your silliness.

Look at it this way.... by the time the collapse gets down to the 10th floor, you have one hundred floors of debris coming down. Do you really think the 10th floor should be able to somehow stop all that debris?

you mean the clouds of dust ? clouds of dust took out the lower floors in secs ?

Just dust huh? No elevator motors? Control panels in that "cloud of dust"?
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/arch/wtc_elevator_renovation.pdf

You need to read a little before making stupid comments.

 

[Patriot911]

This comic sums up another 9/11 fact...what a joke 9/11 official story is...no pun intended...

Ah yes. The usual retarded claim from the truthtard camp. The citizens of a country that fund terrorism equals the government of said country funding terrorism. Or did you forget the Saudi government is a prime target of Al Qaeda?

We all know you are trying your absolute best to be clever, CD..... but like everything else in life, you've failed.

CFR's take on it:

Does Saudi Arabia finance terrorism?
A large proportion of the funds that support al-Qaeda and other terror groups comes from within Saudi Arabia, many experts say, though not directly from Saudi leaders. "For years, individuals and charities based in Saudi Arabia have been the most important source of funds for al-Qaeda; and for years, Saudi officials have turned a blind eye to this problem," a Council on Foreign Relations independent task force report said. "Saudis fund al-Qaeda and are being attacked by al-Qaeda. They seem mutually exclusive but they're not," Levitt says. Much of the Saudi money may have been funneled to terrorism unknowingly, according to experts, because terror groups collect funds under the guise of Islamic charities and schools. The government agreed to cooperate with FBI and Internal Revenue Service investigations of Saudi terror funding, but Levitt says the U.S. investigators have not received access to all the documents they need.

Real Clear World's take on it:

Threats Against the Saudis

Beginning with some of bin Laden’s early public writings, such as his August 1996 “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” al Qaeda leaders have spoken harshly against the Saudi royal family. Bin Laden and others have accused the Saudis of collaboration with the “Zionist-Crusaders alliance” that bin Laden claimed was using military force to impose “iniquity and injustice” on the people of Islam.

However, the verbal threats directed against the Saudi royal family have escalated in recent years in the wake of a string of attacks launched inside Saudi Arabia by the Saudi al Qaeda franchise in 2003 and 2004, and as the Saudi government has conducted an aggressive campaign to crush the Saudi franchise and combat the wider phenomenon of jihadism.

In fact, it is rare to see any statement from a senior al Qaeda leader that does not condemn the Saudi government specifically or in more general terms. In a July 28, 2008, video message, al Qaeda ideologue Abu Yahya al-Libi called on Muslims to act quickly and decisively to kill the Saudi king, reminding them that “killing this reckless tyrant, who has declared himself the chief imam of atheism, will be one of the greatest qurubat” (an act of devotion bringing man closer to God). In a May 2008 message, al-Libi also had urged Saudi clerics to lead uprisings against the Saudi monarchy similar to the July 2007 uprisings at the Red Mosque in Islamabad. Al-Libi never mentioned Saudi King Abdullah by name in that message, preferring to call him the “lunatic apostate” because of the king’s call for a dialogue among Islam, Christianity and Judaism. Commenting on this interfaith dialogue in the July 2008 message, al-Libi also said, “By God, if you don’t resist heroically against this wanton tyrant … the day will come when church bells will ring in the heart of the Arabian Peninsula.”

In March 2008, al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri said the Saudi monarchy was part of a “satanic alliance” formed by the United States and Israel to blockade the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip. In a January 2009 message, al-Zawahiri said: “Oh lions of Islam everywhere, the leaders of Muslim countries are the guards of the American-Zionist interests. They are the ones who have given up Palestine and recognized Israel … Abdallah Bin Abd-al-Aziz has invented the interfaith dialogue and met Peres in New York, paving the way for the complete recognition of Israel.” Al-Zawahiri continued, “Thwart the efforts of those traitors by striking the interests of the enemies of Islam.” In a February 2009 audio statement, al-Zawahiri declared, “The Muslim nation must, with all its energy and skills, move to remove these corrupt, corrupting and traitorous rulers.”

 

[creativedreams]

endless quest

Yes we can see you're on one...

So do you get an antidote a month ahead of time before anthrax attack occurs too?

 

[Patriot911]

endless quest

Yes we can see you're on one...

So do you get an antidote a month ahead of time before anthrax attack occurs too?

What..... couldn't respond to the fact you once again got something dead wrong? Just add it to the list of all the other bullshit you state, run away from, re-state, run away from etc. etc.

Nothing proves you're full of shit more than you not being able to address your lies.

 

[creativedreams]

endless quest

Yes we can see you're on one...

So do you get an antidote a month ahead of time before anthrax attack occurs too?

What..... couldn't respond to the fact you once again got something dead wrong? Just add it to the list of all the other bullshit you state, run away from, re-state, run away from etc. etc.

Nothing proves you're full of shit more than you not being able to address your lies.

You are the pathetic manipulating liar...Mr. O.J. Simpsons defense attorney.

It is a well known fact that white house members began taking cipro, the anthrax antidote shortly before the anthrax attacks even occurred.

Anyone can verify it by simply doing a little checking in mainstream news archives...

 

[creativedreams]

Just curious...did anyone else get some of the anthrax antidote too before the attack even occurred...just like some in the white house did shortly before the anthrax attack even happened?

Did you Patriot911?

Sorry for a repeat but I believe the anthrax issue deserves a thread of its own.

Here is a summary of the anthrax attack that occurred during the 9/11 time frame:

The white house staff began taking Cipro, an anthrax antidote, about a month before 9/11....

1 week after 9/11 we had an anthrax attack....

Soon after it began to be released to the media the anthrax had a component in it which would prove it had to of come from Iraq....

The anthrax attack one week after 9/11 would have been a link from the terrorists to "mobile weapons labs" in Iraq....

A U.S. scientist then proved the anthrax was a weaponized strain that came from a military base right here in the U.S....

A U.S. scientist then "commit suicide"....

Again.....interesting fact how the white house staff began taking Cipro, the anthrax antidote, about a month before 9/11....which also was about a month before the anthrax attack....

 

[creativedreams]

Well...fess up Mr. O.J. Simpsons defense attorney...otherwise known as Patriot911...did you get some of that anthrax antidote too before the attack even happened?

Here are links to show the white house began taking cipro before the anthrax attack even occurred...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_000.htm

Below is a paragraph about the anthrax attack during the 9/11 time frame out of the "Washington Post"...

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.

On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks#White_House_precautions

Below is a paragraph about the anthrax attack during the 9/11 time frame out of "Wiki"...

White House precautions
On September 11, the president and White House staff began taking a regimen of Cipro, a powerful antibiotic. The public interest group Judicial Watch filed lawsuits in June 2002 against federal agencies to obtain information about how, what and when the White House knew on 9/11 about the danger of anthrax weeks before the first known victim of the anthrax attacks.[40][41] The issue, therefore, is on what grounds governmental officials were alerted to prepare for the coming anthrax attacks, which were later traced to a U.S. army medical research institute.

 

[eots]

unless i've been right all along and you're wrong. You always ignore that little possibility in your endless quest to get anyone to validate your silliness.

Look at it this way.... By the time the collapse gets down to the 10th floor, you have one hundred floors of debris coming down. Do you really think the 10th floor should be able to somehow stop all that debris?

you mean the clouds of dust ? Clouds of dust took out the lower floors in secs ?

just dust huh? No elevator motors? Control panels in that "cloud of dust"?
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/arch/wtc_elevator_renovation.pdf

you need to read a little before making stupid comments.

so the building was crushed by elevator motors???,,,lol...thats the stupidest debwunking i have ever heard