9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml

    (CBS) For the first time, the chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston.

    "This is a very, very important part of history and we've got to tell it right," said Thomas Kean.

    "As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear idea what wasn't done and what should have been done," he said. "This was not something that had to happen."

    Appointed by the Bush administration, Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey, is now pointing fingers inside the administration and laying blame.

    "There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly not be in the position they were in at that time because they failed. They simply failed," Kean said.

    To find out who failed and why, the commission has navigated a political landmine, threatening a subpoena to gain access to the president's top-secret daily briefs. Those documents may shed light on one of the most controversial assertions of the Bush administration – that there was never any thought given to the idea that terrorists might fly an airplane into a building.

    "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002.

    "How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission.

    The widows want to know why various government agencies didn't connect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings from FBI offices in Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious student pilots.

    "If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of my husband that we wouldn't have one question answered, I wouldn't believe it," Breitweiser said.

    Kean admits the commission also has more questions than answers.

    Asked whether we should at least know if people sitting in the decision-making spots on that critical day are still in those positions, Kean said, "Yes, the answer is yes. And we will."

    Kean promises major revelations in public testimony beginning next month from top officials in the FBI, CIA, Defense Department, National Security Agency and, maybe, President Bush and former President Clinton.

    Hm, shouldnt this be all over national media? OH YA! forgot we dont have "liberal" media. Corporatist/Bush Media rocks, good for you guys.
     
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    He WAS appointed by Bush(Rove). Maybe he made a mistake.


    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
    A day ago you corporatists(fascists) were calling us looneys for say it was preventable, or that it was allowed to happen by some people.

    Gotta remember, your lovely authority PNAC..planned on invading iraq when they could, even urging clinton to do so. I recall one of them saying a major catastrophy like pearl harbor happening would be the easiest way to meet their goal.(ends justify means).
     
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    I still think you are a looney.

    I can only laugh at the fact that you are calling me a 'corporatist(fascist),' when I as a reasonable person who knows the truth about myself can tell that you are way off the mark.

    I laugh even harder when your big source is CBS news, a "corporate" news source.

    You are nuts.

    And besides, this is happening within the administration. The 'PNAC authority' is admitting some things could have been done better. Our effective governing system is checking itself in due time. That doesn't mean anyone willed it to happen, as you are implying, in fact it suggests otherwise. It proves that Bush has anything but the dictatorial control you seem to believe he has.
     
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    Well, sorry if i offended you. Sorry, thats just what your party is. Not you in perticular or anyone here at all..You leaders(and media are lying to you, mostly not your fault. Republicans today have alot of fascist leanings in MY opinion. Including having NO respect for our democracy(2000).

    Big source ? corporate? nooo! well duh, anything less(or more in my opinion) would be disregarded by MANY here as just some leftist propaganda crapo...haha.

    If Bush didnt have dictorial control we would already have impeachment hearings!

    The media was all over clinton's sex scandal like white on rice. And when a president's whole existance is lie(BUSH) they do nothing but trump up the "america @ war" , "Showdown in Iraq" war propaganda crap.
     
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    This is an interesting new turn and I'd like to see how it turns out, but I am skeptical as to how major it is. Apparently it's low key enough that we're going to wait another month to hear a full report. For now. The fact that Clinton is going to testify as mentioned in the CBS article tells me that this is going to implicate more than b'43 or the republican party. It will probably be more indicative of a general failing of the government in doling out home security positions, which I'm sure was lax pre-9'11 and yes, even in the Clinton years.

    I'm not disregarding that cbs article, it was merely the hypocritical slant that you chose to addend to it. Just type thomas kean into google after this morning and you'll find a bevy of left-wing bloggers doing a double-take over this article about how 'right' the media is, while they link that same corp cbs article. :rolleyes:

    As far as corporate media goes, have you ever looked at the campaign donations list of the democratic party? Here, this watchdog is paid for by the dnc:
    The democratic party was largely funded by AT LEAST five reps. of 'corp.' media in 01-02 election cycle



    And here is where your left respectable nonbiased truthtelling bloggers have told us for a YEAR, not to trust anything Kean says, because he's 'just another GOP good ol' boy':

    Liberal noncorp news service Counterpunch as of Jan'31 2003 view on Kean
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    Kean, like so many worthies, followed the revolving door out of public service into lucrative sweetheart deals and well-wadded sinecures on corporate boards. One of these, of course, is an oil company--pretty much a requirement for White House work these days. (Or as the sign says on the Oval Office door: "If your rigs ain't rockin', don't come a-knockin'!") Kean is a director of Amerada Hess, an oil giant married up to Saudi Arabia's Delta Oil in a venture to pump black gold in Azerbaijan. (The partnership is incorporated in a secretive offshore "tax haven," natch. You can't expect a worthy like Kean to pay taxes like some grubby wage slave.)
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    Somehow we doubt that worthy Kean will poke very hard at the nexus of intersections between his own business partner, Mahfouz, and the bin Ladens, the Bushes, the Saudi royals, Saddam, the CIA and BCCI. We've only scratched the surface here, but even this cursory glance makes the current world crisis look less like some grand geopolitical "clash of civilizations" and more like a nasty falling out among thieves, with rival mafias--who sometimes collude, sometimes collide--now duking it out for turf, cloaking their murderous criminality with pious rhetoric about freedom, security, jihad and God.
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    I see your point, thanks for replying. All I have to say about Thomas kean is maybe this proves those bloggers wrong in one way. He may have a shred of integrity in him. If he does, next month will be very interesting.
    If not, we still have RICO lawsuit and CIA leak investigation (confirmed? traitor in whitehouse) to look forward to.
     
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    Heh, Im viewing the soft money donations you linked..Just wanted to point out that theres a whole lot of pharmaceutical/oil/weapon contractors giving to republicans, while democrats recieved from unions/worker groups/education.
    Guess we're not as far off as i thought, even though I oppose campaign contributions altogether. Seems like some of us have our head on straight.
     
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    The largest contributing industries in 01-02 were communications, real estate, ambulance chasers and criminal defense lawyers, and insurance. Insurance and real estate generally contributed evenly to both parties. Law firms and communications industries contributed heavily to the DNC. By the number of people that such areas and companies employ , that they represent almost half of dnc funding with donations nearing 10mil per contributor, I just don't believe they were speaking without a special interest.


    The Communications industry:


    LORAL SPACE & COMMUNICATIONS : chairman Bernard Schwartz
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    CalPERS proudly undertakes "corporate governance actions" against companies it believes to have misbehaved. However, it ignored Bernard L. Schwartz, chairman of Loral Space & Communications - and a major Democratic Party donor. Loral's stock price crashed from $30 a share in 1998 to 30 cents last fall because of poor investments and a Justice Department investigation for illegal technology transfers to China.
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    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dougbandow/db20030211.shtml

    A timeline of the technology transfer and dnc donations
    http://www.fas.org/news/china/1998/h980618-prc8.htm

    1995-2001 campaign donations $4,589k to the dnc, $32k to the gop.

    Haim Saban: ceo Saban Entertainment, peddler of "The Power Rangers"
    $9,252k to the DNC

    Fred Eychanar: reclusive creator of UPN
    http://www.chicagotelevision.com/wpwr.htm
    $7,387k to the DNC

    Stephen Bing:Avid playboy, wannabe screen writer. Produced "Married With Children" and a Judd Nelson movie.
    http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/mojo_400/13_bing.html
    $7,075k to the DNC

    Steven Kirsch: Infoseek and tech specker
    $3,307k to the dnc

    Global Crossings: looks like an offshored it company http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3089501
    $1,280k to the dnc, $354k to the gop

    Robert L Johnson: owner of BET, I think
    $1,071k to the dnc

    Robert Sillerman: music producer who denies of the importance of free market
    his lecture http://www.marietta.edu/~ema/ert/mm/macro24.pdf his company http://sfx-yes.liveonline.net/
    $953k to the dnc

    Vivendi Universal: or, the french murder dr. Seuss, also a partner with the umg of riaa fame http://www.vivendiuniversal.com/vu/...i_Universal_final_settlement_with_the_SEC.cfm
    $780k to the dnc,$222k to the gop

    David Shaw: Tech Speculator http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/mojo_400/43_shaw.html
    $726k to the DNC $0 to the gop
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    Phamaceuticals

    I'll assume you are refering to biotech and production of bioproducts, an industry which represents at least hundreds of thousands of jobs, provides medicine, and funds research into improvement of pharmaceuticals.

    Thompson Under S. Daniel Abraham http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/mojo_400/1_abraham.html
    Thompson Medical Co. http://www.law.harvard.edu/publications/evidenceiii/cases/glaser.htm $1,500k to the DNC

    Agvar Chemicals http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/mojo_400/111_varis.html $1,077k to the dnc $5k to the gop


    PhRMA http://www.phrma.org/ $143k to dnc, $3,249k to the gop
    Pfizer http://www.pfizer.com/main.html $188k to dnc, $1,191k to the gop
    BMS http://www.bms.com/landing/data/ $160k to dnc, $1,078k to the gop
    Pharmacia (recently acquired by Pfizer) $256k to dnc, $1,077k to the gop
    Wyeth http://www.wyeth.com/ $136k to dnc, $716 to the gop

    ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___

    Energy&Oil

    largely waters on both sides of the fence.

    While it's true that oil donated to the gop, it's false to say that they expend a major effort, as the combined donations of energy&oil gop donations amounts to less than 4% of their whole campaign fund. This figure goes even lower when you difference their contributions to the democrats.


    ADM Co.: Ethanol fuel makers among a variety of agricultural biotech. The Laundromat Story on them is quite interesting.
    http://www.admworld.com/eng/fuels/

    $901k to the DNC, $1,114k to the gop


    *Koch industries: a conglomerate of industries, from die hard, to tires, to propane and aquafina
    http://www.kochehs.com/

    $0 to the dnc, $914k to the gop

    El Paso Energy: is involved in oil drilling and refinement
    http://www.epenergy.com/

    $155k to the dnc, $715k to the gop


    Union Pacific Corp: the railroad industry, but it has a list of lobbying that includes oil royalties
    http://www.up.com/

    $101k to the dnc, $701k to the gop

    Southern Co: Gas, electricity, and wireless telecom
    http://www.southerncompany.com/

    $306k to the dnc, $694k to the gop


    Dominion Resources Inc: A real estate firm in Virgina that mergered with Vepco a few years ago
    Has a rather suggestive logo :)
    http://www.dom.com/

    $250k to the dnc, $693k to the gop

    Chevron Texaco Corp: We all know about these guys.
    http://www.chevrontexaco.com/

    $218k to the dnc, $656k to the gop

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    Weapons

    Lockheed Martin : kicks tail
    From '95-'02 $1,150k to the DNC, $1,716 to the GOP

    Northrop Grumann : more tail
    From '95-'02 $302k to the DNC, $906k to the GOP


    ... Am I missing something?


    Another thing to look at is the combined tally at the top of the table. But lets look at the table for all the election cycles from 1995-2002.

    Party: Democrat(DNC) : Republican(GOP)
    Total: $606,241,428.14 : $659,863,638.59
    Diversity: 15,593 : 23,228


    The clear implications of this is that the democrats maintained equal funding with half the number of contributors. When combined with the fact that a majority of their budget comes from speculative individuals more than either industries or unions, one has to wonder if their funding represents anyone at all.

    The top donor for the dnc in this list is a union. The AFSCME. These are federal employees.'. They get paid with your tax dollars. But they're a union right? So they must be poor and underprivilidged? I guess once again some one is purchasing votes through the mask of a legitimate org, because anyone in a union couldn't possibly have that kind of money to blow. Same goes for the CWA and the SEIU.

    On the Carpenters, Automotive Workers, Electrical Workers and Plumber's unions: The stereotype of a 'dittohead' supports the democratic party? They deserve an apology for the DNC's thanklessness. :cof:
     
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    Heh, you are confusing me. Are you serious?

    The clear implications of this is that the democrats maintained equal funding with half the number of contributors. When combined with the fact that a majority of their budget comes from speculative individuals more than either industries or unions, one has to wonder if their funding represents anyone at all.
    You may want to take a look at your own party.(Evil doers?)
    Expecially your white house, lot of felons and freaks in there. Religious fundementalists. short sighted idealogical views and all.

    I know you would like to continue on, believing in what you believe.

    Heres the blue pill if you want it, im sure its a good one. Im tuning in also.

    http://homepage.mac.com/benburch/HartmanShow-(29-12-2003).mp3

    Too tired to weather this chat.
     

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