54 Palestinians die as Israel refuses medical permits

[P F Tinmore]

No, but I'm sure they would be if Polish people committed something like a Deir Yassin Massacre against them.

Like giving them an infrastructure?

The power-plants, bridges, roads, schools, and hospitals targeted by Israel in the past?

Be precise...when?

So, Israel didn't destroy infrastructure, and civilian buildings in Gaza, not ever?

When?

Constantly.

 

[Boston1]

LOL so still unable to grasp that the people you are referring to as Canaanites were most likely Egyptian slaves held in varying slums around the early Kingdom era. They are of indiscriminate origins and as such were likely the remnants of conquered peoples who appear to have left about the same time of the great drought that cause the early kingdom to contract.


"The letters also show that Egypt held considerable power over these Canaanite kings. One letter written by a king of Babylon named "Burra-Buriyas" complains about the killing of Babylonian merchants in Canaan and reminds Egypt's pharaoh that "the land of Canaan is your land and its kings are your servants."

Deal is you simply aren't qualified to be discussing the ancient character of the Judaic tribes given the just pathetic arguments you've offered so far. Right down to some mythical Canaan people straight out of religious dogma.

Fact is the Hyksos are the early Judaic tribes and inhabited the region for at least 10K years.

Pally's are a recent introduction from the areas of Arab conquest, post 6th century VE and most during the time the Arabs prefer to ascribe to the Judaic return.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

 

[P F Tinmore]

LOL so still unable to grasp that the people you are referring to as Canaanites were most likely Egyptian slaves held in varying slums around the early Kingdom era. They are of indiscriminate origins and as such were likely the remnants of conquered peoples who appear to have left about the same time of the great drought that cause the early kingdom to contract.

Deal is you simply aren't qualified to be discussing the ancient character of the Judaic tribes given the just pathetic arguments you've offered so far. Right down to some mythical Canaan people straight out of religious dogma.

Fact is the Hyksos are the early Judaic tribes and inhabited the region for at least 10K years.

Pally's are a recent introduction from the areas of Arab conquest, post 6th century VE and most during the time the Arabs prefer to ascribe to the Judaic return.

Graph from an Israeli propaganda site. Do you have anything to back that up?

 

[Boston1]

Tinhat how I've missed you LOL

If you'd have taken one brief moment to look up corroborating data you'd have seen the information is available to anyone with an open mind. Which is likely why you missed it.

 

[rylah]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

Why because it exposes Your impossible double standards?

Today Israel owns them something, but tomorrow they wake up saying it doesn't exist.
There has been no stick that the Arabs haven't tried to grab by both ends.
That's a mental condition.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

Why because it exposes Your impossible double standards?

Today Israel owns them something, but tomorrow they wake up saying it doesn't exist.
There has been no stick that the Arabs haven't tried to grab by both ends.
That's a mental condition.

Israel prevents them from having their own healthcare. That is what is stupid about that post.

 

[teddyearp]

I've been reading several news stories about this. Many seem to imply that Israel is complicit in these deaths -- as though the deaths would not have occurred if the patients had received treatment. But 46 of the 54 had cancer, and all of the them were gravely ill.

And as usual, the anti Israeli Jew haters here on this board leave out parts of the story.

I don't even see you on any other part of the board except the Israeli part of it, and yet it says you live in the U.S.A?

What kind of American spends all their time fighting for Israel's affairs, and not America's affairs?

And that is an integral part of this discussion how?

And although 90+% of my posts are here, I have posted elsewhere.

Who gives a fuck anyway? I mean, that the best you've got? Show how weak your whole premise is in this thread.

 

[teddyearp]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

How so? I think it shows how illogical this thread is.

 

[Boston1]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

Why because it exposes Your impossible double standards?

Today Israel owns them something, but tomorrow they wake up saying it doesn't exist.
There has been no stick that the Arabs haven't tried to grab by both ends.
That's a mental condition.

Israel prevents them from having their own healthcare. That is what is stupid about that post.

Ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaaha

You've lost your mind

Israel does nothing of the sort. The pally's in Gaza are completely in charge of their own fate which includes health care

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

Why because it exposes Your impossible double standards?

Today Israel owns them something, but tomorrow they wake up saying it doesn't exist.
There has been no stick that the Arabs haven't tried to grab by both ends.
That's a mental condition.

Israel prevents them from having their own healthcare. That is what is stupid about that post.

Ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaaha

You've lost your mind

Israel does nothing of the sort. The pally's in Gaza are completely in charge of their own fate which includes health care

 

[rylah]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

Why because it exposes Your impossible double standards?

Today Israel owns them something, but tomorrow they wake up saying it doesn't exist.
There has been no stick that the Arabs haven't tried to grab by both ends.
That's a mental condition.

Israel prevents them from having their own healthcare. That is what is stupid about that post.

Which is the most lame excuse I've heard. Health care for wanna be MARTYRS??


Hamas is responsible for the health care, they have their own ministry for that- but apparently money goes to caviar and private Jets.

Health Minister of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

What a load of horse pucky. The pally's from outside Israel can leave wherever they are anytime they want. Israel is under no obligation to allow foreigners into their country. The Pally's who are Israeli citizens enjoy the same health care as any other Israeli citizen.

This whole thread is BS designed to lie and malign Israel through those lies

According to the rules of state succession in international law, 2/3 of Gaza residents are Israeli citizens.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sigh. Yes, fanger. We are all aware of the blockade.

Here's the thing. 1. The blockade is a direct response to hostilities and therefore the hostilities are the CAUSE of the blockade and not the other way around. 2. The restrictions on imports are a direct response to hostilities and misappropriation of goods and therefore the hostilities are the CAUSE of the restrictions on imports.

Now, you are going to say that Arab Palestinians have a "right" to defend themselves (meaning they have a right to be hostile while seeking the destruction of the sovereign State of Israel and denying other peoples their rights.) I don't agree. However, it is RIDICULOUS to simultaneously have the right to murder citizens of Israel while also demanding gifts from Israel. You can have one right or the other, but it is silly to expect both.

The restrictions on imports are a direct response to hostilities

What is the excuse for exports?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So, let me try to wrap my mind around this.

The Palestinians do not want the Jews anywhere near them, want the Nation of Israel to go away, refuse to decide to live in the Nation of Israel; but now are bitching because they want Israel to provide health care?

#liberallunacy

Stupid post of the day!

Why because it exposes Your impossible double standards?

Today Israel owns them something, but tomorrow they wake up saying it doesn't exist.
There has been no stick that the Arabs haven't tried to grab by both ends.
That's a mental condition.

Israel prevents them from having their own healthcare. That is what is stupid about that post.

Which is the most lame excuse I've heard. Health care for wanna be MARTYRS??


Hamas is responsible for the health care, they have their own ministry for that- but apparently money goes to caviar and private Jets.

Health Minister of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia

The tunnels also cost millions of dollars that could've been used to build schools and hospitals.

 

[Shusha]

Israel prevents them from having their own healthcare. That is what is stupid about that post.

Not even remotely true. What Israel provides is access to high level care in certain specific fields (oncology, pediatrics and hematology).

 

[rylah]

What a load of horse pucky. The pally's from outside Israel can leave wherever they are anytime they want. Israel is under no obligation to allow foreigners into their country. The Pally's who are Israeli citizens enjoy the same health care as any other Israeli citizen.

This whole thread is BS designed to lie and malign Israel through those lies

According to the rules of state succession in international law, 2/3 of Gaza residents are Israeli citizens.

Then every Israeli is a citizen of Gaza, Hamas out, all homes formerly owned by Jews in Gaza return to their rightful owners and the enemies are renounced of their citizenship.

It works both ways. Case closed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel prevents them from having their own healthcare. That is what is stupid about that post.

Not even remotely true. What Israel provides is access to high level care in certain specific fields (oncology, pediatrics and hematology).

Deflection.

 

[Shusha]

Sigh. Yes, fanger. We are all aware of the blockade.

Here's the thing. 1. The blockade is a direct response to hostilities and therefore the hostilities are the CAUSE of the blockade and not the other way around. 2. The restrictions on imports are a direct response to hostilities and misappropriation of goods and therefore the hostilities are the CAUSE of the restrictions on imports.

Now, you are going to say that Arab Palestinians have a "right" to defend themselves (meaning they have a right to be hostile while seeking the destruction of the sovereign State of Israel and denying other peoples their rights.) I don't agree. However, it is RIDICULOUS to simultaneously have the right to murder citizens of Israel while also demanding gifts from Israel. You can have one right or the other, but it is silly to expect both.

The restrictions on imports are a direct response to hostilities

What is the excuse for exports?

Gaza wishes to export medical technology superior to Israel's? Then why do they need access to Israel for medical care? Link? (Otherwise irrelevant to this thread).

 

[jillian]

Is Israel responsible for this, I think that's the big question?

Either way, it makes Israel look bad.

'54 Palestinians die' as Israel refuses medical permits

Israel was responsible for at least 54 Palestinian deaths last year as it rejected hundreds of medical permit requests it received from Gaza residents seeking treatment outside the besieged strip, rights groups have said.

In a joint statement on Tuesday, the Gaza-based Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP), and Physicians for Human Rights Israel (PHRI), highlighted the immediate need for Israel to end its decade-long siege of the Gaza Strip.

In 2017, Israeli authorities approved fewer than half the medical permit requests it received, which were tied to appointments and treatment sessions in hospitals across the occupied territories and Israel - the lowest level since 2008.

More than 25,000 permit requests were submitted to Israeli authorities. Of those, 719 were refused, often under the pretext of security.

Another 11,281 applications are still pending approval - meaning thousands of people are in a state of jeopardy.

Samir Zaqout, Al Mezan director, told Al Jazeera that there is no "real rational reason" why patients in need of urgent medical assistance are denied hospital access.

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"Israel is under a legal obligation to facilitate the freedom of movement of the Palestinian people," he said. "It decided when it blockaded the strip not only to deny Gazans of the right to free movement, but it also punished the ill who have a right to access healthcare."

In 2007, following the election victory of Hamas and the group's assumption of control over the territory, Israel imposed a strict land, aerial and naval blockade on Gaza.

In 2013, neighbouring Egypt, which has largely closed its border crossing with Gaza, blocked tunnels connecting Gaza with Egypt's el-Arish, shutting off the only other route out of the strip.

The main alternative is a path via the Erez crossing, which transfers people to Israel and the rest of the occupied territories.

'25,000 Gazans' on life's edge
Over the years, Israel has placed obstacles in the way of those seeking medical permits, which facilitate the movement of the ill.

For instance, child patients must have a guardian who is over 50 years old in order to travel.

Children with cancer without a guardian of the correct age, therefore, have not been able to access life-saving hospital appointments, Zaqout said.

Although Israel approves between 10 and 15 percent of permit requests, the bulk of the applications remains "under review" for months at a time, forcing many to reschedule appointments several times.

"The Israelis stall with the application requests and sometimes, not issuing a refusal at all makes it impossible for the patient to follow up with a lawyer or a rights organisation," Zaquot said.

Only patients who are in need of urgent care are eligible to apply for medical permits, meaning "more than 25,000 Gazans are between life and death".

'Who else do we turn to?'
Hani, father of seven-year-old cancer patient Ruba, said his daughter was recently denied a medical permit for the first time in seven years.

"She's not the only one," said Hani, who chose to conceal his last name for fear of reprisal.

"I had a daughter who died when she was just seven months old," he told Al Jazeera. "She suffered from the same cancer, and we lost her six years ago.

"I don't want to lose another daughter."

Ruba was diagnosed with cancer when she was a toddler.

She underwent a bone marrow transplant in January last year in a procedure that cost the family its savings.

Ruba received the tissue donation from her brother.

"I made sure it was my healthiest son, I wanted her to have the best chance of surviving," Hani said.

But without necessary treatment, he fears for his daughter's life.

"She's such a good girl, she's so pretty and smart," he said. "We're good people and do everything right - we face no problems with the authorities and our paperwork is always in order.

Hani said the family had received permits before on some 300 occasions and was not given a reason for the latest refusal.

"I don't even understand why, there were no reasons given to me this time, and I utilised every contact I had … nothing is more important to me than my children's wellbeing.

"Who else do we turn to?"

Israel has over the past decade launched three major assaults on Gaza, worsening a stark humanitarian situation.

With a major fuel and power crisis, the UN last week warned Gaza's emergency fuel supplies would soon run dry unless it received immediate donor support.

Fuel for generators to operate hospital supplies is largely absent.

Since 2008, Gaza's population has doubled while medical facilities remained poor.

With severe restrictions on access to basic services, Gaza has been dubbed the world's largest open-air prison.

We lose 33,000 born and unborn babies a month from planned parenthood. Why do you give a shit about people intent to "Kill US"?

why do anti choice religious loons take every single subject and try to make it about reproductive choice.

stick to the topic or be quiet.