Oddball
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What CAFE standards failed to foresee, like every other authoritarian know-it-all gubmint program does, is that nobody can beat the free marketplace.
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What CAFE standards failed to foresee, like every other authoritarian know-it-all gubmint program does, is that nobody can beat the free marketplace.
It's neither optimistic nor pessimistic to note that mere politicians and bureaucrats cannot keep consumers from getting the products they really want. It is merely a fact.
Here's another source for that one: Peer-Reviewed Study Rocks Climate Debate! 'Nature not man responsible for recent global warming...little or none of late 20th century warming and cooling can be attributed to humans' | Climate DepotOK Old Rocks,
You always ask for peer reviewed papers..
Now I am giving you your heart's desire. What I want from you is a scientific rebuttal to each.
Is an old millwright up to it?
Popular Technology.net: 450 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming
I have worked in two steel mills. Both were fired with electricity. In fact, most melting of the primary source, ore or scrap, or any combination of those, are done in electric furnaces today.
http://www.stahlwerk-thueringen.de/files/File/2704_besu_engl.pdf
You know old crock, fuck off, its over and over with you, you post a source and do not read your own source, you worked in two all electric steel mills, bullshit. I was not going to look at this source but I knew you were nothing but a moron. Here I go again, I will qoute Old Crock's source, Old Crock's source describes the most modern steel plant in the world. Of course the first plant using this technology was built in the USA in Indiana by Nucor steel. No one else thought the "continous roll" process would work. Check out the book "American Steel".
Now to quote Old Crock's source, showing once again that Old Crock never reads his own sources which shows Old Crock has knows nothing about energy and even less about the fairy tale "green energy".
The smelting shop
The electric arc furnace is charged with two containers of recycled steel per cycle; the
furnace needs approx. 50 minutes to convert this material into 120 metric tons of
molten steel. The furnace works on the direct current electric arc furnace principle. An
electric arc is generated between a graphite electrode with a diameter of 750 mm and
the bottom of the furnace which functions as the anode. This energy, supplemented by
natural gas/oxygen burners, is used to smelt the scrap
Before rolling, the beam blanks - both our own as well as those from external suppliers
- are placed in a natural gas fired pusher furnace where they are heated to a temperature
of approximately 1,200 °C.
So there you have it, no iron smelting plant exists that uses only electricity, hence the fairy tale of green energy being sustainable in the future is pure fantasy.
Stupid ass, the steel is smelted with electricy, Doooodeeee....... said nothing at all about the reheat process that is done before the rolling.
The slabs are created using electricity, the slabs are later put into a reheat furnace to be heated to the correct rolling temperature for the rolling process.
Stupid ass, the steel is smelted with electricy, Doooodeeee.......
An
electric arc is generated between a graphite electrode with a diameter of 750 mm and
the bottom of the furnace which functions as the anode. This energy, supplemented by
natural gas/oxygen burners, is used to smelt the scrap
I get it now...You're stupid on purpose.What CAFE standards failed to foresee, like every other authoritarian know-it-all gubmint program does, is that nobody can beat the free marketplace.
You have that right. Proven with the First Great Republican Depression, and, except for last minute intervention, would have been proven with the Second Great Republican Depression.
Here's another source for that one: Peer-Reviewed Study Rocks Climate Debate! 'Nature not man responsible for recent global warming...little or none of late 20th century warming and cooling can be attributed to humans' | Climate DepotOK Old Rocks,
You always ask for peer reviewed papers..
Now I am giving you your heart's desire. What I want from you is a scientific rebuttal to each.
Is an old millwright up to it?
Popular Technology.net: 450 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming
I'll admit crooks on the street corner selling crack and crooks in corner offices inventing new ways to change money or INsecurities will always find ways around regulations. Folks in office will even try selling time off from purgatory if you don't watch them close enough.
Still it seems the only way to get folks to buy more efficient cars is to regulate fuel economy by manufacturers or with a ridiculously high tax on any vehicle that gets less than maybe 30mpg. Seems like a case of picking your poison. Big Government vs funding the Iraqi military.
How about gallons upon gallons of caustic electrolytes and scads of heavy metals?
Nope....There's no free lunch.
I have not thrown out enough batteries in my life, how about a car that uses the equivalent of a lifetimes worth of batteries just to run to the store to buy batteries for my radio.
I see Old Crock posted a link, what a joke, every link I follow of Old Crock's ends up showing old crock does not know how to read, Old Crock has cried wolf way too much for me.
Not bad! If I recall the Volt will run on more or less the same theory but not be anywhere near as exciting to drive.
Wonder if the "cool" or "fast" factor will be enough to push the electric car over the edge into common use. I turn some wrenches and have gotten into the habit of buying whatever car I wanted but couldn't afford 10 years ago so I think of the "my, do I want a used one" factor.
Really electric motors aren't very complicated though. Just buy an old enough low production car and eventually you can't find new headlights or lord forbid a drivetrain piece.
Is lithium metal that requires mining and refining or not?How about gallons upon gallons of caustic electrolytes and scads of heavy metals?
Nope....There's no free lunch.
Dumb, dumb, Dooodeee....... We are talking Lithium batteries. Lithium is far to valuable to throw away, it will be recycled. By the way, Lithium is #3 on the periodic chart, just after Hydrogen and Helium.Heavy metal, indeed
Even better than the Lithium batteries, are the ultra capacitors that are being developed right now, three time the power in less weight, and a very quick recharge rate, minutes, not hours.
Is lithium metal that requires mining and refining or not?How about gallons upon gallons of caustic electrolytes and scads of heavy metals?
Nope....There's no free lunch.
Dumb, dumb, Dooodeee....... We are talking Lithium batteries. Lithium is far to valuable to throw away, it will be recycled. By the way, Lithium is #3 on the periodic chart, just after Hydrogen and Helium.Heavy metal, indeed
Even better than the Lithium batteries, are the ultra capacitors that are being developed right now, three time the power in less weight, and a very quick recharge rate, minutes, not hours.
Are the electrolytes in lithium batteries petroleum based and/or dangerously caustic or are they not?
Are lithium batteries industry standard or are lead-acid, Ni-Cad and NiMh batteries more prevalent?
You ready to accept the increase in traffic fatalities that will be brought about, because you'll need a HazMat team to show up at wrecks before the EMS personnel can go to work?
Ever heard of the concept of trade-offs?