Dr Grump
Platinum Member
Are you serious?
Really?
I am just... I'm....I just do NOT know what to say.
Turkey and Jordan are secular. SA is run by Wahibbists who aren't really Wahibbists (their real god is money), Libya is in from the cold, Egypt is run by a despotic moderate (an oxymoron I know), Lebanon is like a Tiger with no teeth or paws.
Israel has Western values but has never traditional been put in the western "group" of nations...