21% More Arctic Ice Than in 2012

The idiotic anti-science OP was debunked.

In the real world.....this is what the "experts" are actually saying....

Arctic nearly free of summer sea ice during first half of 21st century
NOAA
April 12, 2013
For scientists studying summer sea ice in the Arctic, its not a question of "if" there will be nearly ice-free summers, but "when". And two scientists say that "when" is sooner than many thought -- before 2050 and possibly within the next decade or two.

arctic%20ice_300.jpg

Arctic sea ice. - (Credit: NOAA)

James Overland of NOAAs Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and Muyin Wang of the NOAA Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington, looked at three methods of predicting when the Arctic will be nearly ice free in the summer. The work was published recently onlinein the American Geophysical Union publication Geophysical Research Letters.

"Rapid Arctic sea ice loss is probably the most visible indicator of global climate change; it leads to shifts in ecosystems and economic access, and potentially impacts weather throughout the northern hemisphere," said Overland. "Increased physical understanding of rapid Arctic climate shifts and improved models are needed that give a more detailed picture and timing of what to expect so we can better prepare and adapt to such changes. Early loss of Arctic sea ice gives immediacy to the issue of climate change."

"There is no one perfect way to predict summer sea ice loss in the Arctic," said Wang. "So we looked at three approaches that result in widely different dates, but all three suggest nearly sea ice-free summers in the Arctic before the middle of this century."

Scientists_tread_ice_and_snow_CanadaBasin_of_Arctic_July22_2005_CreditNOAA_Photog_JeremyPotter_300.jpg

NOAA scientists explore the Arctic during a 2005 mission. - (Credit: NOAA)

Overland and Wang emphasized that the term "nearly" ice free is important as some sea ice is expected to remain north of the Canadian Archipelago and Greenland.

● The "trendsetters" approach uses observed sea ice trends. These data show that the total amount of sea ice decreased rapidly over the previous decade. Using those trends, this approach extrapolates to a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by 2020.

● The "stochasters" approach is based on assuming future multiple, but random in time, large sea ice loss events such as those that occurred in 2007 and 2012. This method estimates it would take several more events to reach a nearly sea ice-free state in the summer. Using the likelihood of such events, this approach suggests a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by about 2030 but with large uncertainty in timing.

● The "modelers" approach is based on using the large collection of global climate model results to predict atmosphere, ocean, land, and sea ice conditions over time. These models show the earliest possible loss of sea ice to be around 2040 as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and the Arctic warms. But the median timing of sea ice loss in these models is closer to 2060. There are several reasons to consider that this median timing of sea ice loss in these models may be too slow.

"Some people may interpret this to mean that models are not useful. Quite the opposite," said Overland. "Models are based on chemical and physical climate processes and we need better models for the Arctic as the importance of that region continues to grow.

Taken together, the range among the multiple approaches still suggests that it is very likely that the timing for future sea ice loss will be within the first half of the 21st century, with a possibility of major loss within a decade or two.
The OP is about the 21% increase in Arctic ice this year. Posting 2012 information is pointless. Stop living in the past and embrace the present.
 
The idiotic anti-science OP was debunked.

In the real world.....this is what the "experts" are actually saying....

Arctic nearly free of summer sea ice during first half of 21st century
NOAA
April 12, 2013
For scientists studying summer sea ice in the Arctic, its not a question of "if" there will be nearly ice-free summers, but "when". And two scientists say that "when" is sooner than many thought -- before 2050 and possibly within the next decade or two.

arctic%20ice_300.jpg

Arctic sea ice. - (Credit: NOAA)

James Overland of NOAAs Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and Muyin Wang of the NOAA Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington, looked at three methods of predicting when the Arctic will be nearly ice free in the summer. The work was published recently onlinein the American Geophysical Union publication Geophysical Research Letters.

"Rapid Arctic sea ice loss is probably the most visible indicator of global climate change; it leads to shifts in ecosystems and economic access, and potentially impacts weather throughout the northern hemisphere," said Overland. "Increased physical understanding of rapid Arctic climate shifts and improved models are needed that give a more detailed picture and timing of what to expect so we can better prepare and adapt to such changes. Early loss of Arctic sea ice gives immediacy to the issue of climate change."

"There is no one perfect way to predict summer sea ice loss in the Arctic," said Wang. "So we looked at three approaches that result in widely different dates, but all three suggest nearly sea ice-free summers in the Arctic before the middle of this century."

Scientists_tread_ice_and_snow_CanadaBasin_of_Arctic_July22_2005_CreditNOAA_Photog_JeremyPotter_300.jpg

NOAA scientists explore the Arctic during a 2005 mission. - (Credit: NOAA)

Overland and Wang emphasized that the term "nearly" ice free is important as some sea ice is expected to remain north of the Canadian Archipelago and Greenland.

● The "trendsetters" approach uses observed sea ice trends. These data show that the total amount of sea ice decreased rapidly over the previous decade. Using those trends, this approach extrapolates to a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by 2020.

● The "stochasters" approach is based on assuming future multiple, but random in time, large sea ice loss events such as those that occurred in 2007 and 2012. This method estimates it would take several more events to reach a nearly sea ice-free state in the summer. Using the likelihood of such events, this approach suggests a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by about 2030 but with large uncertainty in timing.

● The "modelers" approach is based on using the large collection of global climate model results to predict atmosphere, ocean, land, and sea ice conditions over time. These models show the earliest possible loss of sea ice to be around 2040 as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and the Arctic warms. But the median timing of sea ice loss in these models is closer to 2060. There are several reasons to consider that this median timing of sea ice loss in these models may be too slow.

"Some people may interpret this to mean that models are not useful. Quite the opposite," said Overland. "Models are based on chemical and physical climate processes and we need better models for the Arctic as the importance of that region continues to grow.

Taken together, the range among the multiple approaches still suggests that it is very likely that the timing for future sea ice loss will be within the first half of the 21st century, with a possibility of major loss within a decade or two.
The OP is about the 21% increase in Arctic ice this year. Posting 2012 information is pointless. Stop living in the past and embrace the present.

Both your fraudulent OP and the title you gave it were lies.

Arctic ice extent is at its lowest for the year in September....this year was only about 6% higher than it was last year.....you must have pulled that 21% figure out of your ass again.

In the real world....

The National Snow and Ice Data Center reported on Septmber 15th, 2016, that: "On September 10, Arctic sea ice extent stood at 4.14 million square kilometers (1.60 million square miles). This appears to have been the lowest extent of the year and is tied with 2007 as the second lowest extent on record."

Previously....

The National Snow and Ice Data Center reported on Septmber 15th, 2015, that: "On September 11, 2015, sea ice extent dropped to 4.41 million square kilometers (1.70 million square miles), the fourth lowest minimum in the satellite record. This appears to be the lowest extent of the year."

Record ice loss - lowest extent on record....

In 2012, the year of enormous ice loss, the NSIDC reported on September 2012 that: "On September 16, 2012 sea ice extent dropped to 3.41 million square kilometers (1.32 million square miles). This appears to have been the lowest extent of the year. The minimum extent was reached three days later than the 1979 to 2000 average minimum date of September 13.

This year’s minimum was 760,000 square kilometers (293,000 square miles) below the previous record minimum extent in the satellite record, which occurred on September 18, 2007. This is an area about the size of the state of Texas. The September 2012 minimum was in turn 3.29 million square kilometers (1.27 million square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average minimum, representing an area nearly twice the size of the state of Alaska. This year’s minimum is 18% below 2007 and 49% below the 1979 to 2000 average.

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year.
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So, this year's ice was about 4,410,000 square kilometers in extent at its minimum, and last year's ice was 4,140,000 sqK. In extent.
4,410,000 minus 4,140,000 equals 270,000 sqK.
270,000 is about 6% of 4,410,000. NOT 21%.
You are a liar.

That was just the title.....your actual OP was another bit of fraudulent bullcrap about the 'experts' (supposedly all of them) claiming that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2016....and that drivel was debunked in posts #11, 15, and 18.

Another huge FAIL for you!

 
Now Ian, that is just plain stupid. 35 years is all the satellite data we have for Arctic Ice. And you don't have to put a curve on it to see that the trend is rapidly down. Given the degree of variability in the data, it is possible that we could see, briefly, and ice clear Arctic Ocean as early as next September or as late as 2030.






Noooo, the satellite record begins 9 years before your sources claim. That way they can ignore the problematic very low arctic ice levels from the late 1960's through early 70's.
 
This Heat Engine is headed to the Arctic [poleward] to deliver some Mega Joules to the Ice


Hurricane Nicole Approaches Bermuda as Category 4 Storm
Source: NBC News

HAMILTON, Bermuda — Bermuda hunkered down overnight as the Hurricane Nicole rapidly strengthened into a major Category 4 storm and took aim at the tiny island in the northern Atlantic Ocean.

The U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami called Nicole an "extremely dangerous" storm and urged islanders to rush preparations for its powerful rain and winds. It said Nicole should pass near or over Bermuda on Thursday.

The storm was located about 180 miles south-southwest of Bermuda late Wednesday night. It had maximum sustained winds of 130 mph and was moving north-northeast at 102 mph.

Rains were already hitting Bermuda and authorities on Wednesday ordered schools and government offices closed, and asked people to remain indoors.

Read more: Bermudans "hope and pray for the best" as Hurricane Nicole approaches
 
This Heat Engine is headed to the Arctic [poleward] to deliver some Mega Joules to the Ice


Hurricane Nicole Approaches Bermuda as Category 4 Storm
Source: NBC News

HAMILTON, Bermuda — Bermuda hunkered down overnight as the Hurricane Nicole rapidly strengthened into a major Category 4 storm and took aim at the tiny island in the northern Atlantic Ocean.

The U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami called Nicole an "extremely dangerous" storm and urged islanders to rush preparations for its powerful rain and winds. It said Nicole should pass near or over Bermuda on Thursday.

The storm was located about 180 miles south-southwest of Bermuda late Wednesday night. It had maximum sustained winds of 130 mph and was moving north-northeast at 102 mph.

Rains were already hitting Bermuda and authorities on Wednesday ordered schools and government offices closed, and asked people to remain indoors.

Read more: Bermudans "hope and pray for the best" as Hurricane Nicole approaches

Bermuda is the new Arctic
 
There's more ice in winter than in summer....amazing
I honestly believe that warmers don't understand winter and summer at the poles. And the fact the earth tilts which causes those changes.

Today on my drive into the office, the sun was much further south when it rose this morning. You supposed these fools understand that means less sunshine at the NP and more sunlight toward the SP?
 
I can't wait to take a cruise to the North Pole and take a splash in the nice warm Arctic. :dance:

Bring on the warming! I'll be burning plenty of wood and propane this year.
 
That's incredible. They always talk about "global warming" and now we know there's more arctic ice!

LOLOLOLOL.....are you really that clueless?...."more Arctic ice" than when? Last year?

Do you even comprehend the fact that "global warming" does not mean that everything everywhere on Earth heats up at a steady unchanging rate year after year? Human caused global warming is a scientifically confirmed fact...but there are many natural factors that cause year-to-year fluctuations in global temperatures and the rates of ice melt in the cryosphere.

Arctic ice extent hit new record lows in (most recently) 2007 and then a much bigger decline in 2012...

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year. - NSIDC

The minimum 2016 Arctic ice extent was tied for the second lowest on record with 2007, a little behind the exception losses in 2012.


Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center - High-resolution image

Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for September is 87,200 square kilometers (33,700 square miles) per year, or 13.3 percent per decade. - NSIDC

***

Moreover....

ArcticEscalator500.gif

September Arctic sea ice extent data since 1980 from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (blue diamonds). "Recovery" years, meaning years when the sea ice extent is greater than the previous year, are highlighted in red to mock the repeated cynical claims of climate change "skeptics" that global warming has somehow stopped. Many factors affect the annual summer decrease in Arctic sea ice extent, and it is illogical at best to claim any "trend" by cherry-picking only brief periods of data. The obvious true long-term trend in Arctic sea ice extent (red second-order polynomial curve fit) is that it is declining at an accelerating rate.
 
There's more ice in winter than in summer....amazing
I honestly believe that warmers don't understand winter and summer at the poles. And the fact the earth tilts which causes those changes.

Today on my drive into the office, the sun was much further south when it rose this morning. You supposed these fools understand that means less sunshine at the NP and more sunlight toward the SP?





Naaaaah. That's called logic and reason. These buffoons lack both.
 
That's incredible. They always talk about "global warming" and now we know there's more arctic ice!

LOLOLOLOL.....are you really that clueless?...."more Arctic ice" than when? Last year?

Do you even comprehend the fact that "global warming" does not mean that everything everywhere on Earth heats up at a steady unchanging rate year after year? Human caused global warming is a scientifically confirmed fact...but there are many natural factors that cause year-to-year fluctuations in global temperatures and the rates of ice melt in the cryosphere.

Arctic ice extent hit new record lows in (most recently) 2007 and then a much bigger decline in 2012...

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year. - NSIDC

The minimum 2016 Arctic ice extent was tied for the second lowest on record with 2007, a little behind the exception losses in 2012.


Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center - High-resolution image

Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for September is 87,200 square kilometers (33,700 square miles) per year, or 13.3 percent per decade. - NSIDC

***

Moreover....

ArcticEscalator500.gif

September Arctic sea ice extent data since 1980 from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (blue diamonds). "Recovery" years, meaning years when the sea ice extent is greater than the previous year, are highlighted in red to mock the repeated cynical claims of climate change "skeptics" that global warming has somehow stopped. Many factors affect the annual summer decrease in Arctic sea ice extent, and it is illogical at best to claim any "trend" by cherry-picking only brief periods of data. The obvious true long-term trend in Arctic sea ice extent (red second-order polynomial curve fit) is that it is declining at an accelerating rate.






And you asshats have been bleating that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013. How did that prediction work out for ya junior?
 
That's incredible. They always talk about "global warming" and now we know there's more arctic ice!

LOLOLOLOL.....are you really that clueless?...."more Arctic ice" than when? Last year?

Do you even comprehend the fact that "global warming" does not mean that everything everywhere on Earth heats up at a steady unchanging rate year after year? Human caused global warming is a scientifically confirmed fact...but there are many natural factors that cause year-to-year fluctuations in global temperatures and the rates of ice melt in the cryosphere.

Arctic ice extent hit new record lows in (most recently) 2007 and then a much bigger decline in 2012...

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year. - NSIDC

The minimum 2016 Arctic ice extent was tied for the second lowest on record with 2007, a little behind the exception losses in 2012.


Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center - High-resolution image

Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for September is 87,200 square kilometers (33,700 square miles) per year, or 13.3 percent per decade. - NSIDC

***

Moreover....

ArcticEscalator500.gif

September Arctic sea ice extent data since 1980 from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (blue diamonds). "Recovery" years, meaning years when the sea ice extent is greater than the previous year, are highlighted in red to mock the repeated cynical claims of climate change "skeptics" that global warming has somehow stopped. Many factors affect the annual summer decrease in Arctic sea ice extent, and it is illogical at best to claim any "trend" by cherry-picking only brief periods of data. The obvious true long-term trend in Arctic sea ice extent (red second-order polynomial curve fit) is that it is declining at an accelerating rate.
Sea ice? What are you afraid of? what is the purpose of sea ice?
 
That's incredible. They always talk about "global warming" and now we know there's more arctic ice!

LOLOLOLOL.....are you really that clueless?...."more Arctic ice" than when? Last year?

Do you even comprehend the fact that "global warming" does not mean that everything everywhere on Earth heats up at a steady unchanging rate year after year? Human caused global warming is a scientifically confirmed fact...but there are many natural factors that cause year-to-year fluctuations in global temperatures and the rates of ice melt in the cryosphere.

Arctic ice extent hit new record lows in (most recently) 2007 and then a much bigger decline in 2012...

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year. - NSIDC

The minimum 2016 Arctic ice extent was tied for the second lowest on record with 2007, a little behind the exception losses in 2012.


Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center - High-resolution image

Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for September is 87,200 square kilometers (33,700 square miles) per year, or 13.3 percent per decade. - NSIDC

***

Moreover....

ArcticEscalator500.gif

September Arctic sea ice extent data since 1980 from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (blue diamonds). "Recovery" years, meaning years when the sea ice extent is greater than the previous year, are highlighted in red to mock the repeated cynical claims of climate change "skeptics" that global warming has somehow stopped. Many factors affect the annual summer decrease in Arctic sea ice extent, and it is illogical at best to claim any "trend" by cherry-picking only brief periods of data. The obvious true long-term trend in Arctic sea ice extent (red second-order polynomial curve fit) is that it is declining at an accelerating rate.






And you asshats have been bleating that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013. How did that prediction work out for ya junior?
I'd really like for him to explain what will happen if it melts. It's like, so what, what's going to happen to the world if the sea ice melts?
 
That's incredible. They always talk about "global warming" and now we know there's more arctic ice!

LOLOLOLOL.....are you really that clueless?...."more Arctic ice" than when? Last year?

Do you even comprehend the fact that "global warming" does not mean that everything everywhere on Earth heats up at a steady unchanging rate year after year? Human caused global warming is a scientifically confirmed fact...but there are many natural factors that cause year-to-year fluctuations in global temperatures and the rates of ice melt in the cryosphere.

Arctic ice extent hit new record lows in (most recently) 2007 and then a much bigger decline in 2012...

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year. - NSIDC

The minimum 2016 Arctic ice extent was tied for the second lowest on record with 2007, a little behind the exception losses in 2012.


Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center - High-resolution image

Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for September is 87,200 square kilometers (33,700 square miles) per year, or 13.3 percent per decade. - NSIDC

***

Moreover....

ArcticEscalator500.gif

September Arctic sea ice extent data since 1980 from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (blue diamonds). "Recovery" years, meaning years when the sea ice extent is greater than the previous year, are highlighted in red to mock the repeated cynical claims of climate change "skeptics" that global warming has somehow stopped. Many factors affect the annual summer decrease in Arctic sea ice extent, and it is illogical at best to claim any "trend" by cherry-picking only brief periods of data. The obvious true long-term trend in Arctic sea ice extent (red second-order polynomial curve fit) is that it is declining at an accelerating rate.
And you asshats have been bleating that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013. How did that prediction work out for ya junior?

The denier cult trolls love to cling to their debunked myths.....

In the real world.....

A couple of scientists made some predictions almost a decade ago that the Arctic could be effectively ice free in the late summers as soon as 2016, plus or minus 3 years, based on the staggering rates of ice loss they were observing at that time. Most more mainstream predictions from most of the scientists have predicted that late summer ice-free Arctic conditions are likely to happen around 2030, or a bit sooner....or, some of them, a bit later....up to about 2050.

Since you obviously ignore any evidence, let's review some previous posts....

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October - November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of [the complete loss of] seasonal sea ice cover."
(Source)

***

In the real world.....this is what the "experts" are actually saying....

Arctic nearly free of summer sea ice during first half of 21st century
NOAA
April 12, 2013
For scientists studying summer sea ice in the Arctic, its not a question of "if" there will be nearly ice-free summers, but "when". And two scientists say that "when" is sooner than many thought -- before 2050 and possibly within the next decade or two.

arctic%20ice_300.jpg

Arctic sea ice. - (Credit: NOAA)

James Overland of NOAAs Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and Muyin Wang of the NOAA Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington, looked at three methods of predicting when the Arctic will be nearly ice free in the summer. The work was published recently onlinein the American Geophysical Union publication Geophysical Research Letters.

"Rapid Arctic sea ice loss is probably the most visible indicator of global climate change; it leads to shifts in ecosystems and economic access, and potentially impacts weather throughout the northern hemisphere," said Overland. "Increased physical understanding of rapid Arctic climate shifts and improved models are needed that give a more detailed picture and timing of what to expect so we can better prepare and adapt to such changes. Early loss of Arctic sea ice gives immediacy to the issue of climate change."

"There is no one perfect way to predict summer sea ice loss in the Arctic," said Wang. "So we looked at three approaches that result in widely different dates, but all three suggest nearly sea ice-free summers in the Arctic before the middle of this century."

Scientists_tread_ice_and_snow_CanadaBasin_of_Arctic_July22_2005_CreditNOAA_Photog_JeremyPotter_300.jpg

NOAA scientists explore the Arctic during a 2005 mission. - (Credit: NOAA)

Overland and Wang emphasized that the term "nearly" ice free is important as some sea ice is expected to remain north of the Canadian Archipelago and Greenland.

● The "trendsetters" approach uses observed sea ice trends. These data show that the total amount of sea ice decreased rapidly over the previous decade. Using those trends, this approach extrapolates to a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by 2020.

● The "stochasters" approach is based on assuming future multiple, but random in time, large sea ice loss events such as those that occurred in 2007 and 2012. This method estimates it would take several more events to reach a nearly sea ice-free state in the summer. Using the likelihood of such events, this approach suggests a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by about 2030 but with large uncertainty in timing.

● The "modelers" approach is based on using the large collection of global climate model results to predict atmosphere, ocean, land, and sea ice conditions over time. These models show the earliest possible loss of sea ice to be around 2040 as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and the Arctic warms. But the median timing of sea ice loss in these models is closer to 2060. There are several reasons to consider that this median timing of sea ice loss in these models may be too slow.

"Some people may interpret this to mean that models are not useful. Quite the opposite," said Overland. "Models are based on chemical and physical climate processes and we need better models for the Arctic as the importance of that region continues to grow.

Taken together, the range among the multiple approaches still suggests that it is very likely that the timing for future sea ice loss will be within the first half of the 21st century, with a possibility of major loss within a decade or two.
 
That's incredible. They always talk about "global warming" and now we know there's more arctic ice!

LOLOLOLOL.....are you really that clueless?...."more Arctic ice" than when? Last year?

Do you even comprehend the fact that "global warming" does not mean that everything everywhere on Earth heats up at a steady unchanging rate year after year? Human caused global warming is a scientifically confirmed fact...but there are many natural factors that cause year-to-year fluctuations in global temperatures and the rates of ice melt in the cryosphere.

Arctic ice extent hit new record lows in (most recently) 2007 and then a much bigger decline in 2012...

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year. - NSIDC

The minimum 2016 Arctic ice extent was tied for the second lowest on record with 2007, a little behind the exception losses in 2012.


Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center - High-resolution image

Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for September is 87,200 square kilometers (33,700 square miles) per year, or 13.3 percent per decade. - NSIDC

***

Moreover....

ArcticEscalator500.gif

September Arctic sea ice extent data since 1980 from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (blue diamonds). "Recovery" years, meaning years when the sea ice extent is greater than the previous year, are highlighted in red to mock the repeated cynical claims of climate change "skeptics" that global warming has somehow stopped. Many factors affect the annual summer decrease in Arctic sea ice extent, and it is illogical at best to claim any "trend" by cherry-picking only brief periods of data. The obvious true long-term trend in Arctic sea ice extent (red second-order polynomial curve fit) is that it is declining at an accelerating rate.
And you asshats have been bleating that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013. How did that prediction work out for ya junior?

The denier cult trolls love to cling to their debunked myths.....

In the real world.....

A couple of scientists made some predictions almost a decade ago that the Arctic could be effectively ice free in the late summers as soon as 2016, plus or minus 3 years, based on the staggering rates of ice loss they were observing at that time. Most more mainstream predictions from most of the scientists have predicted that late summer ice-free Arctic conditions are likely to happen around 2030, or a bit sooner....or, some of them, a bit later....up to about 2050.

Since you obviously ignore any evidence, let's review some previous posts....

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October - November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of [the complete loss of] seasonal sea ice cover."
(Source)

***

In the real world.....this is what the "experts" are actually saying....

Arctic nearly free of summer sea ice during first half of 21st century
NOAA
April 12, 2013
For scientists studying summer sea ice in the Arctic, its not a question of "if" there will be nearly ice-free summers, but "when". And two scientists say that "when" is sooner than many thought -- before 2050 and possibly within the next decade or two.

arctic%20ice_300.jpg

Arctic sea ice. - (Credit: NOAA)

James Overland of NOAAs Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and Muyin Wang of the NOAA Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington, looked at three methods of predicting when the Arctic will be nearly ice free in the summer. The work was published recently onlinein the American Geophysical Union publication Geophysical Research Letters.

"Rapid Arctic sea ice loss is probably the most visible indicator of global climate change; it leads to shifts in ecosystems and economic access, and potentially impacts weather throughout the northern hemisphere," said Overland. "Increased physical understanding of rapid Arctic climate shifts and improved models are needed that give a more detailed picture and timing of what to expect so we can better prepare and adapt to such changes. Early loss of Arctic sea ice gives immediacy to the issue of climate change."

"There is no one perfect way to predict summer sea ice loss in the Arctic," said Wang. "So we looked at three approaches that result in widely different dates, but all three suggest nearly sea ice-free summers in the Arctic before the middle of this century."

Scientists_tread_ice_and_snow_CanadaBasin_of_Arctic_July22_2005_CreditNOAA_Photog_JeremyPotter_300.jpg

NOAA scientists explore the Arctic during a 2005 mission. - (Credit: NOAA)

Overland and Wang emphasized that the term "nearly" ice free is important as some sea ice is expected to remain north of the Canadian Archipelago and Greenland.

● The "trendsetters" approach uses observed sea ice trends. These data show that the total amount of sea ice decreased rapidly over the previous decade. Using those trends, this approach extrapolates to a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by 2020.

● The "stochasters" approach is based on assuming future multiple, but random in time, large sea ice loss events such as those that occurred in 2007 and 2012. This method estimates it would take several more events to reach a nearly sea ice-free state in the summer. Using the likelihood of such events, this approach suggests a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by about 2030 but with large uncertainty in timing.

● The "modelers" approach is based on using the large collection of global climate model results to predict atmosphere, ocean, land, and sea ice conditions over time. These models show the earliest possible loss of sea ice to be around 2040 as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and the Arctic warms. But the median timing of sea ice loss in these models is closer to 2060. There are several reasons to consider that this median timing of sea ice loss in these models may be too slow.

"Some people may interpret this to mean that models are not useful. Quite the opposite," said Overland. "Models are based on chemical and physical climate processes and we need better models for the Arctic as the importance of that region continues to grow.

Taken together, the range among the multiple approaches still suggests that it is very likely that the timing for future sea ice loss will be within the first half of the 21st century, with a possibility of major loss within a decade or two.

They're predicting the Arctic will be completely ice free by 2020...or 2040....or 2060.
 
That's incredible. They always talk about "global warming" and now we know there's more arctic ice!

LOLOLOLOL.....are you really that clueless?...."more Arctic ice" than when? Last year?

Do you even comprehend the fact that "global warming" does not mean that everything everywhere on Earth heats up at a steady unchanging rate year after year? Human caused global warming is a scientifically confirmed fact...but there are many natural factors that cause year-to-year fluctuations in global temperatures and the rates of ice melt in the cryosphere.

Arctic ice extent hit new record lows in (most recently) 2007 and then a much bigger decline in 2012...

Overall there was a loss of 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57 million square miles) of ice since the maximum extent occurred on March 20, 2012, which is the largest summer ice extent loss in the satellite record, more than one million square kilometers greater than in any previous year. - NSIDC

The minimum 2016 Arctic ice extent was tied for the second lowest on record with 2007, a little behind the exception losses in 2012.


Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center - High-resolution image

Through 2016, the linear rate of decline for September is 87,200 square kilometers (33,700 square miles) per year, or 13.3 percent per decade. - NSIDC

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Moreover....

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September Arctic sea ice extent data since 1980 from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (blue diamonds). "Recovery" years, meaning years when the sea ice extent is greater than the previous year, are highlighted in red to mock the repeated cynical claims of climate change "skeptics" that global warming has somehow stopped. Many factors affect the annual summer decrease in Arctic sea ice extent, and it is illogical at best to claim any "trend" by cherry-picking only brief periods of data. The obvious true long-term trend in Arctic sea ice extent (red second-order polynomial curve fit) is that it is declining at an accelerating rate.
And you asshats have been bleating that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013. How did that prediction work out for ya junior?

The denier cult trolls love to cling to their debunked myths.....

In the real world.....

A couple of scientists made some predictions almost a decade ago that the Arctic could be effectively ice free in the late summers as soon as 2016, plus or minus 3 years, based on the staggering rates of ice loss they were observing at that time. Most more mainstream predictions from most of the scientists have predicted that late summer ice-free Arctic conditions are likely to happen around 2030, or a bit sooner....or, some of them, a bit later....up to about 2050.

Since you obviously ignore any evidence, let's review some previous posts....

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October - November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of [the complete loss of] seasonal sea ice cover."
(Source)

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In the real world.....this is what the "experts" are actually saying....

Arctic nearly free of summer sea ice during first half of 21st century
NOAA
April 12, 2013
For scientists studying summer sea ice in the Arctic, its not a question of "if" there will be nearly ice-free summers, but "when". And two scientists say that "when" is sooner than many thought -- before 2050 and possibly within the next decade or two.

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Arctic sea ice. - (Credit: NOAA)

James Overland of NOAAs Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and Muyin Wang of the NOAA Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington, looked at three methods of predicting when the Arctic will be nearly ice free in the summer. The work was published recently onlinein the American Geophysical Union publication Geophysical Research Letters.

"Rapid Arctic sea ice loss is probably the most visible indicator of global climate change; it leads to shifts in ecosystems and economic access, and potentially impacts weather throughout the northern hemisphere," said Overland. "Increased physical understanding of rapid Arctic climate shifts and improved models are needed that give a more detailed picture and timing of what to expect so we can better prepare and adapt to such changes. Early loss of Arctic sea ice gives immediacy to the issue of climate change."

"There is no one perfect way to predict summer sea ice loss in the Arctic," said Wang. "So we looked at three approaches that result in widely different dates, but all three suggest nearly sea ice-free summers in the Arctic before the middle of this century."

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NOAA scientists explore the Arctic during a 2005 mission. - (Credit: NOAA)

Overland and Wang emphasized that the term "nearly" ice free is important as some sea ice is expected to remain north of the Canadian Archipelago and Greenland.

● The "trendsetters" approach uses observed sea ice trends. These data show that the total amount of sea ice decreased rapidly over the previous decade. Using those trends, this approach extrapolates to a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by 2020.

● The "stochasters" approach is based on assuming future multiple, but random in time, large sea ice loss events such as those that occurred in 2007 and 2012. This method estimates it would take several more events to reach a nearly sea ice-free state in the summer. Using the likelihood of such events, this approach suggests a nearly sea ice-free Arctic by about 2030 but with large uncertainty in timing.

● The "modelers" approach is based on using the large collection of global climate model results to predict atmosphere, ocean, land, and sea ice conditions over time. These models show the earliest possible loss of sea ice to be around 2040 as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and the Arctic warms. But the median timing of sea ice loss in these models is closer to 2060. There are several reasons to consider that this median timing of sea ice loss in these models may be too slow.

"Some people may interpret this to mean that models are not useful. Quite the opposite," said Overland. "Models are based on chemical and physical climate processes and we need better models for the Arctic as the importance of that region continues to grow.

Taken together, the range among the multiple approaches still suggests that it is very likely that the timing for future sea ice loss will be within the first half of the 21st century, with a possibility of major loss within a decade or two.

They're predicting the Arctic will be completely ice free by 2020...or 2040....or 2060.

Too bad you get so confused by the science you can't understand.






Oh science fiction is easy to understand. It's fantasy. Something you are well acquainted with.
 
Note that the vertical scale here is not an anomaly but absolute total ice volume. Note that the bottom of the vertical scale is ZERO.

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