2017 Tax Cuts Helped Super-rich Pay Lower Rate Than Bottom 50 Percent

[Jitss617]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

Because they gave raises and created jobs ..

Good boy, roll over now.

Huh?

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Do you dispute the job numbers? More people are working to have more people working you need more investment in jobs.. what’s The problem?

 

[RDD_1210]

Because they gave raises and created jobs ..

Good boy, roll over now.

Huh?

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Then it should have been easy and routine for you to counter.

Why didn't you?

Because Jitss isn't a serious poster. He's literally a plant made to look American conservatives like pompous idiots and he's very good at it.

 

[Jitss617]

Good boy, roll over now.

Huh?

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Then it should have been easy and routine for you to counter.

Why didn't you?

Because Jitss isn't a serious poster. He's literally a plant made to look American conservatives look like pompous idiots and he's very good at it.

I’m just a avg guy

 

[CWayne]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Yet the amount, not the percentage, that is paid to the government is all that the government cares about.

Did you pay X amount or X percent, whichever is greater?

The government ONLY cares about which is the greater.

 

[CWayne]

Good boy, roll over now.

Huh?

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Then it should have been easy and routine for you to counter.

Why didn't you?

Because Jitss isn't a serious poster. He's literally a plant made to look American conservatives look like pompous idiots and he's very good at it.

Perfect. That means that it should be a breeze for you to make a statement of fact or condition that would silence his remark.

Still, you didn't do that. Did you?

 

[RDD_1210]

Because they gave raises and created jobs ..

Good boy, roll over now.

Huh?

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Do you dispute the job numbers? More people are working to have more people working you need more investment in jobs.. what’s The problem?

The problem is, the link you posted to your data is completely wrong.

Huh?

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Then it should have been easy and routine for you to counter.

Why didn't you?

Because Jitss isn't a serious poster. He's literally a plant made to look American conservatives look like pompous idiots and he's very good at it.

I’m just a avg guy

You've posted on this site over 12,000 times in 10 months. You're not the average guy. The average guy has a full time paying job and a basic grasp of the English language.

You possess neither.

 

[RDD_1210]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Yet the amount, not the percentage, that is paid to the government is all that the government cares about.

Did you pay X amount or X percent, whichever is greater?

The government ONLY cares about which is the greater.

And my point is how this impacts US, the middle class who are being fucked over year after year. The focus of my post is not how much the government is taking in.

 

[Jitss617]

Good boy, roll over now.

Huh?

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Do you dispute the job numbers? More people are working to have more people working you need more investment in jobs.. what’s The problem?

The problem is, the link you posted to your data is completely wrong.

He is saying that he cannot refute your statement and will just insult you as an argument.

You should be magnanimous and accept his flag, even though it might make you a 'white' something.

He didn't make a statement. He vomited up his masters talking points like the obedient dog that he is.

Then it should have been easy and routine for you to counter.

Why didn't you?

Because Jitss isn't a serious poster. He's literally a plant made to look American conservatives look like pompous idiots and he's very good at it.

I’m just a avg guy

You've posted on this site over 12,000 times in 10 months. You're not the average guy. The average guy has a full time paying job and a basic grasp of the English language.

You possess neither.

But you can’t defend in a debate because I use logic and facts.. you are just a frustrated turd

 

[Cellblock2429]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

/—-/ Your reply is so moronic it defiles description

 

[RDD_1210]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

/—-/ Your reply is so moronic it defiles description

I'm sorry you can't understand how %'s work.

 

[22lcidw]

Trump gave the rich a trillion dollars in tax cuts. That’s enough to money spend a million dollars every single day from 700 BC to 2019 AD.

A million dollars, blown, every single day. From the beginnings of Ancient Rome, to Jesus, through the dark ages and the Renaissance, America’s founding and every day of its existence.

A million dollars every day of every week, every week of every month, every month of every year, every year of every decade, every decade of every century, every century of every millennium.

And they didn’t even need it. While 20% of our children live in poverty, which makes us close to the worst developed country at taking care of our kids.

Poverty Rate for People in Female-Householder Families Lowest on Record

Don't you just love the feminist agendas.....I am woman hear me roar!!! Bwhahhaa!

 

[RDD_1210]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

/—-/ Your reply is so moronic it defiles description

And your grasp of the English language "defiles description".

No wonder Trump still has support. You morons are allowed to vote.

 

[Dick Foster]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Shit, your dumb ass not only flunked math you can't read worth a shit either. You're a fine example of our democratic run, looney left leaning public school system. The question was, who payed in more tax dollars. That is, who payed the greater amount. I asked the question so I get to decide what the question is. That's how it works in the real world, shitforbrains.

 

[CWayne]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Yet the amount, not the percentage, that is paid to the government is all that the government cares about.

Did you pay X amount or X percent, whichever is greater?

The government ONLY cares about which is the greater.

And my point is how this impacts US, the middle class who are being fucked over year after year. The focus of my post is not how much the government is taking in.

So, explain it then.

How is it that we, the middle class, are being fucked over, year after year?

Are we less 'fucked over' if the rich are more fucked over?
Has there ever been a tax increase that fucks over the rich but not the middle class?
Has anyone ever been rewarded by fucking over some subset of humanity?
More importantly, what makes the middle class the middle class? Is it the taxes they don't pay?
Are we the middle class because money confiscated from one group at the top, then redistributed to policial lackeys and the very bottom of the social scale are desireable?

Then there is the big one.

What does the government need 5 trillion dollars for?

Does it all go to the middle class? Because if it did, why then we wouldn't be fucked every year, would we? Oh, but then, if we got all the 5 trillion year after year, then the bottom class would resent us too!

So, how is it that taxes make or break the middle class?

BTW, how do you define the middle class? By their taxation or by their income?

 

[RDD_1210]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Shit, your dumb ass not only flunked math you can't read worth a shit either. You're a fine example of our democratic run, looney left leaning public school system. The question was, who payed in more tax dollars. That is, who payed the greater amount. I asked the question so I get to decide what the question is. That's how it works in the real world, shitforbrains.

I mean, I know you're not smart. You know you're not smart. But let's try this again.

My thread is about tax rate...which is calculated as a %. Not total tax revenues. I know this is confusing for someone who wears a name-tag to work but perhaps you should stick to topics you know and don't embarrass yourself.

Perhaps you can tell us about which microwaveable mac-n-cheez goes best with Busch Beer.

 

[RDD_1210]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Yet the amount, not the percentage, that is paid to the government is all that the government cares about.

Did you pay X amount or X percent, whichever is greater?

The government ONLY cares about which is the greater.

And my point is how this impacts US, the middle class who are being fucked over year after year. The focus of my post is not how much the government is taking in.

So, explain it then.

How is it that we, the middle class, are being fucked over, year after year?

Are we less 'fucked over' if the rich are more fucked over?
Has there ever been a tax increase that fucks over the rich but not the middle class?
Has anyone ever been rewarded by fucking over some subset of humanity?
More importantly, what makes the middle class the middle class? Is it the taxes they don't pay?
Are we the middle class because money confiscated from one group at the top, then redistributed to policial lackeys and the very bottom of the social scale are desireable?

Then there is the big one.

What does the government need 5 trillion dollars for?

Does it all go to the middle class? Because if it did, why then we wouldn't be fucked every year, would we? Oh, but then, if we got all the 5 trillion year after year, then the bottom class would resent us too!

So, how is it that taxes make or break the middle class?

BTW, how do you define the middle class? By their taxation or by their income?

How about pick one question and we'll go from there. We both know if I answer all of these you'll cherry pick my answers. So pick one and we'll start with that.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

/—-/ Your reply is so moronic it defiles description

I'm sorry you can't understand how %'s work.

/—-/ I understand how percentages work, but you are under the idiotic notion that if everyone paid the same percent, say 5%, it would be fair. So answer the above question:
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?[

 

[CWayne]

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Yet the amount, not the percentage, that is paid to the government is all that the government cares about.

Did you pay X amount or X percent, whichever is greater?

The government ONLY cares about which is the greater.

And my point is how this impacts US, the middle class who are being fucked over year after year. The focus of my post is not how much the government is taking in.

So, explain it then.

How is it that we, the middle class, are being fucked over, year after year?

Are we less 'fucked over' if the rich are more fucked over?
Has there ever been a tax increase that fucks over the rich but not the middle class?
Has anyone ever been rewarded by fucking over some subset of humanity?
More importantly, what makes the middle class the middle class? Is it the taxes they don't pay?
Are we the middle class because money confiscated from one group at the top, then redistributed to policial lackeys and the very bottom of the social scale are desireable?

Then there is the big one.

What does the government need 5 trillion dollars for?

Does it all go to the middle class? Because if it did, why then we wouldn't be fucked every year, would we? Oh, but then, if we got all the 5 trillion year after year, then the bottom class would resent us too!

So, how is it that taxes make or break the middle class?

BTW, how do you define the middle class? By their taxation or by their income?

How about pick one question and we'll go from there. We both know if I answer all of these you'll cherry pick my answers. So pick one and we'll start with that.

Actually, I won't. I don't care how you answer it, to be frank. -->Shut up Frank it was only a moment.

If you've been paying attention, I just want you to do more than insult or give flippant answers.

It is likely I won't agree with anything you have to say. Then again, I may, in fact, think some of it has merit or even outright agree with you.

But the whole thing is, I want to know WHY, in the face of a lack of evidence, you say that the middle class is getting 'fucked, year after year'.

And I wanted to point out that the premise of your OP was wrong, and that the only people who can get tax cuts are those who actually pay taxes.

From there, maybe a conversation about how the government decides what it needs to spend and why none of that involves priorities can be had.

 

[RDD_1210]

We're all being taken advantage of by the upper 1%. The nonsense that we bicker about just allows them to continue to bleed us dry and enrich themselves even further.

" Showed that since the 1960s the effective rate paid by the richest 400 families has been in general decline amid tax cuts and the emergence of sophisticated tax avoidance. Then, in 2018, their tax rate fell sharply. Those families paid an effective average tax rate of 23 percent that year, below the 24.2 percent paid by the bottom half of American households. Back in the 1960s, the richest were paying close to 60 percent and the bottom half just over 20 percent"

Trump's 2017 tax cuts helped super-rich pay lower rate than bottom 50 percent: Economists

You probably failed math in school, huh?
Let's see.
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

/—-/ Your reply is so moronic it defiles description

I'm sorry you can't understand how %'s work.

/—-/ I understand how percentages work, but you are under the idiotic notion that if everyone paid the same percent, say 5%, it would be fair. So answer the above question:
John payed 1% of 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.
Fred payed 5% of 20,000 dollars in taxes. Who payed in MORE taxes, Fred or John?[

Do you mean to tell me you think you should be paying a bigger percentage of your income to the government than Bill Gates? You think you should be giving up 25% of your income to the government but Jeff Bezos should give up less of his income?

 

[RDD_1210]

Fred. He paid 5%.

5% is more then 1% as a percentage of income which is what we're talking about. Tax % rate.

Good try at changing the conversation though Dick.

Yet the amount, not the percentage, that is paid to the government is all that the government cares about.

Did you pay X amount or X percent, whichever is greater?

The government ONLY cares about which is the greater.

And my point is how this impacts US, the middle class who are being fucked over year after year. The focus of my post is not how much the government is taking in.

So, explain it then.

How is it that we, the middle class, are being fucked over, year after year?

Are we less 'fucked over' if the rich are more fucked over?
Has there ever been a tax increase that fucks over the rich but not the middle class?
Has anyone ever been rewarded by fucking over some subset of humanity?
More importantly, what makes the middle class the middle class? Is it the taxes they don't pay?
Are we the middle class because money confiscated from one group at the top, then redistributed to policial lackeys and the very bottom of the social scale are desireable?

Then there is the big one.

What does the government need 5 trillion dollars for?

Does it all go to the middle class? Because if it did, why then we wouldn't be fucked every year, would we? Oh, but then, if we got all the 5 trillion year after year, then the bottom class would resent us too!

So, how is it that taxes make or break the middle class?

BTW, how do you define the middle class? By their taxation or by their income?

How about pick one question and we'll go from there. We both know if I answer all of these you'll cherry pick my answers. So pick one and we'll start with that.

Actually, I won't. I don't care how you answer it, to be frank. -->Shut up Frank it was only a moment.

If you've been paying attention, I just want you to do more than insult or give flippant answers.

It is likely I won't agree with anything you have to say. Then again, I may, in fact, think some of it has merit or even outright agree with you.

But the whole thing is, I want to know WHY, in the face of a lack of evidence, you say that the middle class is getting 'fucked, year after year'.

And I wanted to point out that the premise of your OP was wrong, and that the only people who can get tax cuts are those who actually pay taxes.

From there, maybe a conversation about how the government decides what it needs to spend and why none of that involves priorities can be had.

So Im glad I asked since you don't want to have a real conversation. I learned a long time ago that 9 out of 10 people on this site don't want to have any sort of real conversation. So I don't look for it anymore. I come here to marvel at the people who will actively support policies that will hurt themselves while pretending that that people who advocate for better healthcare, better education and ensuring that the middle class has a fighting chance are somehow the evil ones.