Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Rocko, Dec 20, 2014.
You're inability to prove you're not a liar is noted.
You're way out of your league, kid.
What I mean is I wasn't there to talk Michael Brown and his friends into making better decisions
than to go around grabbing property from businesses or whatever they were doing. Now I hear
there may be other video footage of Brown doing criminal or violent things.
That is where more people can make a difference. Even regular folks like me.
I can, however, say things to my coworkers about their social expectations,
and where this mentality comes from that it's "okay" to steal or freeload off others
"who are better off." And not expecting thieves to pay back what they steal "if they can't afford it."
I challenged my coworkers at my job on that mentality that I found shocking!
They didn't believe people imprisoned for theft should be held responsible for paying it back,
because "they weren't going to do that anyway." I couldn't believe it, couldn't accept that answer, and told them it wasn't right to keep expecting taxpayers to pay for the crimes of others. Why should we as working citizens get more taken out of our paycheck, and our insurance rates go up, when the thousands we spend on inmates per year could already pay for health care without having to dish out more money? They never thought of that.
So that still may not be "enough" to prevent crime yet, but if it starts people thinking
about Accountability, and to quit taking things for granted as paid for by taxes,
maybe we'll start to own up and grow up as a society instead of letting this mentality go unchecked.
Why wait for another Michael Brown to get shot after stealing something?
Why keep paying 50K a year for each person in prison, who isn't expected to work to pay the costs of their own crimes, and then have "no money"
to pay for health care for lawabiding citizens and their families working for an honest living?
Why not intervene at the first sign of a troubled attitude,
and help these young men to step up to the plate and quit setting themselves up to fail as victims.
Why keep paying the cost of crime, several times over, and then complain we don't take home enough money from our paychecks to cover costs of living, education, health care and housing when people in prison are getting all that paid for at taxpayer expense. Does this make any sense?
Great post Emily! Makes a TON of sense, but you can probably expect this for an answer
What I ususally get as an answer is
"I hear what you're saying, but 'NO ONE ELSE' is going to change anything."
Ie each person thinks because OTHER people aren't going to respond,
they don't bother asking.
Isn't that sad, like each person on their own would have AGREED and liked to change things,
but keeps waiting to see how OTHER people are going to respond first.
It takes a while for people to get how much power and influence we do have.
That if just 2 or 3 people, maybe 5 get together and start a campaign,
other people might jump up and say why not? that actually makes sense! And get more ppl on board.
Over several months of talking about this, off and on,
one of my coworkers went from not thinking he had any chance or influence on what politicians did.
So why bother asking or complaining, since once you elect people they are just going to 'keep doing the same thing anyway'
to thinking what if he learned enough about how to manage people and business where he could run for office someday.
And one of my friends who ran for President twice to study how accessible and affordable it was
for the average small business person to conduct a common sense campaign,
also reported a similar effect on people. Someone he met on the campaign trail who naysayed the idea of
running for President, since only the very richest people with political influence can get anywhere and the rest
get "labeled" as nutcases (my friend Vern is a well respected business owner and common sense person
so he was very hard to label as a nutcase, and caused people to do a doubletake trying to figure him out).
But then over time, this very person came out and was considering running for President or another public office.
So it seems that person had a change in attitude, that the first step is to push for change, and not to be passive
waiting on other people. We'll only get political bozo's in office if only the same people who lie to get ahead run for office.
At some point the honest working people need to get pushing.
Without getting labeled nutcases or teabaggers etc. and demonized for wanting sensible change and govt reforms
that quit dumping larger burdens and debts on the taxpayers to pay for while govt runs amok. At some point the
people are going to have to stand up and put our feet down and quit allowed politician to run unchecked at our expense.
Unfortunately, I think before any meaningful reforms can happen, we need to level out the playing field so that those lesser known and less wealthy candidates who really do care about America and the American people can have a chance at winning elections to make those changes from within.
Kiss my ass, you pusillanimous pissant prairie punk.
Hi ChrisL If you and I are on the same page with that, how many others get it, too?
Just had a similar conversation at dinner with my bf family the other night.
What I suggest was to unite all the leaders and potential candidates for 2016
around teams of Vets to take on govt reform, of the VA, the health care, the post office, etc.
And agree to create jobs for Vets fixing these problems,
and form internships to train govt leaders out of these teams.
So whoever it is, regardless of party, who can team up and win the Presidency,
get behind THOSE people who can work effectively and lead other leaders without the divisive politics and waste.
for Republicans, this is important to make sure the right candidates take the lead,
and sell outs like Jeb Bush don't divide the party and shelve half their voting base at home refusing to come out in support.
so just for party unity alone, they should unite around this type of approach
and make sure nobody sells out for politics.
For Democrats, there also needs to be united efforts to solve problems
and not keep exploiting and projecting blame for political points.
I think the Dems have farther to go to unite on principles, and the Republicans have a better chance of
uniting around Constitutional principles.
The most unifying factor I've seen with Democrats is fear of the opponents, having a common enemy.
But that doesn't solve any problems. So it only goes so far.
We need to organize around solutions, and I find the Veterans are a common focus that gets
respect across the board. If the Republicans take the lead in setting up a unified network
for solving issues of govt reform by creating jobs and training for Vet leadership to be in charge,
I believe the Democrats will follow. And we have a chance to work together on real solutions.
I agree with most of your post. I agree that veterans are a rallying point, but I want all people to have the chance. Of course I realize that means some ridiculous or extreme candidates as well (not like there aren't already though), but I would like to see caps on campaign funds (reasonable of course) that would allow everyone to compete. Let's face it, the "average" person could never hope to get any percentage of the vote because most people will not know who he or she is or the platform.
Agree again. Once internship programs are created to help Vets sustain jobs and gain experience to run for office,
teh SAME programs can be used at the same time for anyone willing to do the work to manage govt reforms.
So it helps all people, anyone who wants the opportunity to show leadership skills by actually DOING the work
and earning the experience and reputation for effective management in govt reforms.
Allen West has a foundation for supporting Vet and Minority leaders to train and run for office.
So I propose to work with him and other candidates and Vets on setting up campus satellite centers
in various communities and fields where govt reforms and restitution is called for to correct abuses by govt and corporate politics. [Freedmen's Town national historic district happens to be a case study in itself, and the source of the plans to create community campuses to reform govt, public housing and democratically-elected local management.]
So I propose to set up community model campuses as examples of how to create jobs for Vets and other community/business leaders at the same time, but the same model can be replicated or applied to any number of areas depending on the demand.
It is a SHAME that this model solution came out of a Democratic district, where the ideas were designed and written into law by poor Black residents and community leaders. And yet these plans have been censored and destroyed by Democrat administrations selling out to corporate interests that pay their way to stay in office.
Whatever division is killing these viable business plans for rebuilding the community to be sustainable and self-governing, the same division needs to be overcome to stop killing the whole nation.
See Freedmen s Town Historic Churches and Vet Housing and http www.houstonprogressive.org
Also this same campus model can be applied to solve immigration and labor issues with sweatshop slavery by converting factories into sustainable campus communities that don't exploit workers but provide education housing and services onsite.
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