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Most humans born into the world have been bastards, and that includes Cain and Abel.It was those damned Progressives during the Progressive Era who began incentivizing marriage in the tax code.
Before that, we were a nation of bastards.
Alexander Hamilton. Another famous bastard.Most humans born into the world have been bastards, and that includes Cain and Abel.It was those damned Progressives during the Progressive Era who began incentivizing marriage in the tax code.
Before that, we were a nation of bastards.
States should be able to incentivize that best situation for their only concern in marriage: the children in it. Children need and deserve both complimentary genders in the home for their own self-esteem and balanced formative years that prepare them for society at large. That can be found in the best scenario of their two blood parents or the next best in adoptive father/mother.
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Justice Kennedy alluded to the views of children being raised by same-sex couples as if our desires and concerns are identical to and uncritical of the decisions made by our parents. The reality is far more complicated than that.
Putting aside all the historical analogies to civil rights and the sentimental platitudes about love, the fact is that same-sex parenting suffers from insurmountable logistical problems for which children pay the steepest lifelong price.
Whether it’s by surrogacy, insemination, divorce, or commercialized adoption, moral hazards abound for same-sex couples who insist on replicating a heterosexual model of parenthood. The children thrown into the middle of these moral hazards are well aware of their parents’ role in creating a stressful and emotionally complicated life for kids, which alienates them from cultural traditions like Father’s Day and Mother’s Day, and places them in the unenviable position of being called “homophobes” if they simply suffer the natural stress that their parents foisted on them—and admit to it.
Same Sex Parenting What Do the Children Say
Yes, children are a compelling reason. Sorry. For the love of God, accept that children thrive best in homes where they have a mother AND a father.
French populists agree: ..
States should be able to incentivize that best situation for their only concern in marriage: the children in it. r
That is incorrect and the State has a interest which it very often, and unfortunately, ignores when it lets biology override what is in the best for the child. The best parents for a child are very often not those who created it. There are very few people I would let reproduce, and even fewer who would be allowed to then act as parents.That best environment involves a father and a mother. All others are inferior for all the reasons stated in the OP.
You make a huge and poor assumption, heterosexual biological parents are best, and you're wrong.
What exactly is a "gay-lifestyle marriage"? Isn't that the one where two married people get to file a joint tax return and are eligible for Social Security death benefits? Or did you think it was the one where you are forced to suck a dick?
If you are opposed to this "gay-lifestyle marriage" being allowed, it makes me wonder how you feel about the gay lifestyle in general being allowed.
I think adults should be allowed to smoke cigarettes. I don't think they should be allowed to smoke cigarettes inside homes or cars where children are constantly present. That is the best analogy I can give you about your point. Adults can fuck up and do insane/stupid or harmful stuff. They just cannot be allowed to drag kids down with them without the child's knowledgable consent. And since children are not capable of that knowledgable consent, the state gets involved on their behalf.
Alexander Hamilton. Another famous bastard.Most humans born into the world have been bastards, and that includes Cain and Abel.It was those damned Progressives during the Progressive Era who began incentivizing marriage in the tax code.
Before that, we were a nation of bastards.
Actually children thrive best when there are many adults around to care for them, period. The sex of the adults matters not a damn but your homophobia simply clouds all rational thought this issue.
If you truly wanted to do what was best for children we'd have to change society a fundamental level, and many biological parents would lose their children, forever.
I disagree. So do the children themselves:
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During the oral arguments about Proposition 8, Justice Anthony Kennedy referred to children being raised by same-sex couples
Then what of all the infertile couples that are allowed to marry or remain married? What of those who never have children? There are literally millions upon millions of exceptions.....and the institution has survived just fine. A few more for gays won't matter.
I'll say it again. The state has no interest in marriage other than to incentivize the best formative environment for children. /QUOTE]
YOu can say it as much as you want.
The facts are that the state does virtually nothing to incentivize marriage for children.
That is one of the reasons states keep losing- they make that argument in court and the court points out that they treat childless couples- even couples who are forbidden to have children- exactly the same legally as couples with children- with the exact same incentives.
I could argue just as much that the State incentivizes marriage to encourage couples to buy two cars- there would be as much evidence to support it.
YOu can say it as much as you want.I'll say it again. The state has no interest in marriage other than to incentivize the best formative environment for children. /QUOTE]
YOu can say it as much as you want.
The facts are that the state does virtually nothing to incentivize marriage for children.
That is one of the reasons states keep losing- they make that argument in court and the court points out that they treat childless couples- even couples who are forbidden to have children- exactly the same legally as couples with children- with the exact same incentives.
I could argue just as much that the State incentivizes marriage to encourage couples to buy two cars- there would be as much evidence to support it.
Read the OP. The male/female model necessary for raising children as father/mother is not violated by childless couples. In fact, they can adopt and still provide that vital complimentary-gender role model environment for both genders of children that may come naturally or by adoption.
Read the OP. The male/female model necessary for raising children as father/mother is not violated by childless couples. In fact, they can adopt and still provide that vital complimentary-gender role model environment for both genders of children that may come naturally or by adoption.
But the infertile couples don't serve the model. Yet society still incentives their unions. Demonstrating elegantly that there's a valid basis of marriage that has nothing to do with children. A point underlined and emphasized by the fact that no one is required to have children or be able to have them in order to be married.
Why then would we give millions and millions of straights incentives despite their inability or unwillingness to meet the 'standard' you cite, while excluding gays for failing to meet a standard that *no one* is held to?
It makes absolutely no sense. If tens of millions of exceptions can be made for straights, then a few million can be made for gays.
Like it or not, there is only one reason the state wants people to be married: for the best stability of children.
There is no other logical reason for the state to be involved in legal marriage at all.
Again, adults are only a peripheral concern. Marriage is about children.