11 Democrat states have formed a pact to sabotage the Electoral College

[Care4all]

Question:

Why don't RWNJs believe that their vote should be counted?

Hmmm ?

Why do LWNJs believe that they should override the voters of a state? If Connecticut votes in favor of a candidate that doesn't get the majority of the nationwide popular vote, their votes are nullified.

It's a rhetorical question. We all understand that you Progs don't respect the Will of the People.

Voters of the State are already over ridden.....by the electoral college....and by states giving ALL of the state's electors to the winner....instead of giving electors to how the vote turned out in their state..... so there already isn't a representation of the voters in the State...by how they have the winner taking ALL electors fro every congressional districts, even if the congressional district, voted for someone else.

except my state....and one other state, can't remember who....they a lot the electors they get for each congressional district, by who won the congressional district in the popular vote that the elector represents..... the two extra electors given to each state representing their two senators, goes to the overall winner of the state. we only have two congressmen in my state, thus 2 congressional districts, Trump won one, and Hillary won the other, and the overall populace in the state vote, went to Hillary by a hair or two..... so Trump got one elector, Hillary got one from the congressional district she won, plus the two electors representing the senators, which went to Hillary, because she won the popular vote....so Hillary got 3 electors, and Trump got 1....... in other states, all of the electors would have gone to Hillary the way they set up their electors, and there is no representation for the people who voted for Trump....

I'm not certain this new change will change much in those states that are now joined in this new measure..... the Dem candidate most always wins the overall popular vote and the popular vote in their states.... so how this new measure changes that in any way is unclear to me?

I personally think that all states should do it like Maine....then independents have a better chance at winning or at least getting some electors.... the way it is set up now in most states, the independent always gets ZERO electors, even if they had nearly 20% of the overall popular vote like Ralph Nader got a few decades ago......yet he received ZERO electoral votes??? just nuts how the dems and repubs kill the chances for any independent....

Nonsense. What CT is doing is complete disregarding the results of its statewide vote. That is not at all equivalent to a state counting its votes, and awarding electoral votes to the winner.

who won the state's popular vote in the last election? Clinton.

who won the nation's popular vote? Clinton

so exactly how does this new measure really change that?

I suggest you review the structure of our government...especially the bit about being a Federal Republic made up of STATES. The design is expressly to prevent the mob majority bully rule into which pure "democracy" always descends.

I KNOW how the electors were originally set up by the founding fathers and KNOW how the two parties in the states CHANGED how our founders wanted it....the electors, one for each state congressional district....and 2 extra to represent the state senators....

when states manipulated the electors in their state to go to the overall winner of their state instead of by how the people voted in the congressional district the elector represented, is what messed us up!!!!

The two electors for the 2 senators is how our founders set it up so that the smaller states had more power....

Maine's whopping 2 million people if that, got 2 electors for their senators....

And California with say 40 million people, also got JUST 2 electors for their 2 senators....

THIS IS WHAT GIVES the smaller states more representation...and a California, a more populated state, less.

THAT's it.....this is the advantage edge the smaller states got with both, electors and in Congress.....the Senate is what gives the less populated states an equal footing in one of Congress's chambers.....

 

[Billy_Bob]

Subversion of the US Constitution and its defined means of electing our president is an act of treason against the United States. The compac will be held unconstitutional as it subverts the intent of each area having an equal vote. This keeps population centers from becoming dictatorial to the rest of the US. We have never been a popular vote democracy. We are a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.

If they do this each states governor needs to be removed from power and kept from ever holding office again..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Why do LWNJs believe that they should override the voters of a state? If Connecticut votes in favor of a candidate that doesn't get the majority of the nationwide popular vote, their votes are nullified.

It's a rhetorical question. We all understand that you Progs don't respect the Will of the People.

Voters of the State are already over ridden.....by the electoral college....and by states giving ALL of the state's electors to the winner....instead of giving electors to how the vote turned out in their state..... so there already isn't a representation of the voters in the State...by how they have the winner taking ALL electors fro every congressional districts, even if the congressional district, voted for someone else.

except my state....and one other state, can't remember who....they a lot the electors they get for each congressional district, by who won the congressional district in the popular vote that the elector represents..... the two extra electors given to each state representing their two senators, goes to the overall winner of the state. we only have two congressmen in my state, thus 2 congressional districts, Trump won one, and Hillary won the other, and the overall populace in the state vote, went to Hillary by a hair or two..... so Trump got one elector, Hillary got one from the congressional district she won, plus the two electors representing the senators, which went to Hillary, because she won the popular vote....so Hillary got 3 electors, and Trump got 1....... in other states, all of the electors would have gone to Hillary the way they set up their electors, and there is no representation for the people who voted for Trump....

I'm not certain this new change will change much in those states that are now joined in this new measure..... the Dem candidate most always wins the overall popular vote and the popular vote in their states.... so how this new measure changes that in any way is unclear to me?

I personally think that all states should do it like Maine....then independents have a better chance at winning or at least getting some electors.... the way it is set up now in most states, the independent always gets ZERO electors, even if they had nearly 20% of the overall popular vote like Ralph Nader got a few decades ago......yet he received ZERO electoral votes??? just nuts how the dems and repubs kill the chances for any independent....

Nonsense. What CT is doing is complete disregarding the results of its statewide vote. That is not at all equivalent to a state counting its votes, and awarding electoral votes to the winner.

who won the state's popular vote in the last election? Clinton.

who won the nation's popular vote? Clinton

so exactly how does this new measure really change that?

I suggest you review the structure of our government...especially the bit about being a Federal Republic made up of STATES. The design is expressly to prevent the mob majority bully rule into which pure "democracy" always descends.

Would having the president be elected by the national popular vote suddenly turn the country into a pure democracy?

Rent a Mob...

there would be no law... mob rules..

 

[Montrovant]

Voters of the State are already over ridden.....by the electoral college....and by states giving ALL of the state's electors to the winner....instead of giving electors to how the vote turned out in their state..... so there already isn't a representation of the voters in the State...by how they have the winner taking ALL electors fro every congressional districts, even if the congressional district, voted for someone else.

except my state....and one other state, can't remember who....they a lot the electors they get for each congressional district, by who won the congressional district in the popular vote that the elector represents..... the two extra electors given to each state representing their two senators, goes to the overall winner of the state. we only have two congressmen in my state, thus 2 congressional districts, Trump won one, and Hillary won the other, and the overall populace in the state vote, went to Hillary by a hair or two..... so Trump got one elector, Hillary got one from the congressional district she won, plus the two electors representing the senators, which went to Hillary, because she won the popular vote....so Hillary got 3 electors, and Trump got 1....... in other states, all of the electors would have gone to Hillary the way they set up their electors, and there is no representation for the people who voted for Trump....

I'm not certain this new change will change much in those states that are now joined in this new measure..... the Dem candidate most always wins the overall popular vote and the popular vote in their states.... so how this new measure changes that in any way is unclear to me?

I personally think that all states should do it like Maine....then independents have a better chance at winning or at least getting some electors.... the way it is set up now in most states, the independent always gets ZERO electors, even if they had nearly 20% of the overall popular vote like Ralph Nader got a few decades ago......yet he received ZERO electoral votes??? just nuts how the dems and repubs kill the chances for any independent....

Nonsense. What CT is doing is complete disregarding the results of its statewide vote. That is not at all equivalent to a state counting its votes, and awarding electoral votes to the winner.

who won the state's popular vote in the last election? Clinton.

who won the nation's popular vote? Clinton

so exactly how does this new measure really change that?

I suggest you review the structure of our government...especially the bit about being a Federal Republic made up of STATES. The design is expressly to prevent the mob majority bully rule into which pure "democracy" always descends.

Would having the president be elected by the national popular vote suddenly turn the country into a pure democracy?

Rent a Mob...

there would be no law... mob rules..

So it is only the way the president is elected that keeps us from mob rule? Really? How Congresspeople are elected doesn't matter, how judges get into office is unimportant, how laws are passed, how amendments are added.....the electoral system is the only thing standing between a representative form of government and mob rule?

 

[Blackrook]

This scheme is unconstitutional as it seeks to amend the constitution without going through the required process of amending the constitution. So it won't survive the first challenge.

 

[IsaacNewton]

That's what will happen. Republican states will simply ignore voters and give all delegates to whomever they please.

We'd note this as the official end of democracy. What comes after would be ugly. Again I think it past time to split the US into 2-4 smaller countries. Conservatives have gotten to a point they will cheat or simply ignore elections now so let them go form their new Hillbillies-R-Us-Land. Their states combined won't amount to much of an economy and they'll be happy all making minimum wage of $7.50/hr. They can also force women to have children which they are dying to do. But the point is they'd have their own shithole to fuckup as they see fit. No more blaming anyone else for their failures.

The blue states combined have a huge economy and are really the engine that drives the American economy so breaking off into a smaller country will in fact mean that economy is concentrated and benefits a much smaller but much more productive populace.

It's time isn't it folks? We had a good run, let's move on and split the country up before cons really lose their shit and demand to impose their lifestyle on everyone else permanently.

 

[Fang]

Liberals trying to game the system. So effing typical.

 

[Montrovant]

This scheme is unconstitutional as it seeks to amend the constitution without going through the required process of amending the constitution. So it won't survive the first challenge.

How is it amending the Constitution? The Constitution gives the states the power to choose electors how they want. Pogo mentioned this in post #26.

From Article 2, Section 1: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html

If states want electors to be chosen based on the national popular vote, that is their prerogative, per the Constitution.

 

[Blackrook]

OK then, I guess each state could decide that all electoral votes automatically go the Democratic candidate, and you're saying the Supreme Court would allow that.

 

[ptbw forever]

Connecticut To Give Its Electoral College Votes To National Popular Vote Victor

Connecticut voted to give its Electoral College Votes to the national popular vote victor. The state Senate voted 21-14 on Saturday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which includes 10 states and the District of Columbia. The state House passed the measure last week, 77 to 73. California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have already signed the accord.

This might give the Corrupt Democratic Party permanent control.
With permanent control the Corrupt Democrats will be able ignore the laws and the constitution and nobody could stop them. What do you think will happen to America if the Democrats are undefeatable?

If this keeps up, Trump will have no path to defeat Hillary.

Don't worry, I'm sure Vladimir will be there to assist again.

Grow a brain cell, inbred.

 

[ptbw forever]

Connecticut To Give Its Electoral College Votes To National Popular Vote Victor

Connecticut voted to give its Electoral College Votes to the national popular vote victor. The state Senate voted 21-14 on Saturday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which includes 10 states and the District of Columbia. The state House passed the measure last week, 77 to 73. California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have already signed the accord.

This might give the Corrupt Democratic Party permanent control.
With permanent control the Corrupt Democrats will be able ignore the laws and the constitution and nobody could stop them. What do you think will happen to America if the Democrats are undefeatable?

Here's why this is a bad idea.

Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Tennessee all agree to give their votes to the GOP, regardless of the state outcome, in perpetuity.

Electoral college, gerrymandering, voter suppression, vote theft - Its the only way the gop can win.

Why is the right so against their own country?

Why don't RWNJs just move to Russia?

Trump is literally going to win every single state now, idiot.

You do realize that you have absolutely no one who can challenge him and have a prayer of winning(the fictional “popular vote” and the electoral vote) in 2020, right?

 

[The Original Tree]

They cannot even do that.

That would go all the way to The Supreme Court and get struck down.

But it does show you that these people are nothing but Nazis, Thugs and Stalinist Pigs.

Connecticut To Give Its Electoral College Votes To National Popular Vote Victor

Connecticut voted to give its Electoral College Votes to the national popular vote victor. The state Senate voted 21-14 on Saturday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which includes 10 states and the District of Columbia. The state House passed the measure last week, 77 to 73. California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have already signed the accord.

This might give the Corrupt Democratic Party permanent control.
With permanent control the Corrupt Democrats will be able ignore the laws and the constitution and nobody could stop them. What do you think will happen to America if the Democrats are undefeatable?

 

[The Original Tree]

Trump will now run for theee terms of this is allowed to stand.

LMFAO

 

[Wolfstrike]

Politicians of today don't have enough brains to change anything

 

[ptbw forever]

Connecticut To Give Its Electoral College Votes To National Popular Vote Victor

Connecticut voted to give its Electoral College Votes to the national popular vote victor. The state Senate voted 21-14 on Saturday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which includes 10 states and the District of Columbia. The state House passed the measure last week, 77 to 73. California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have already signed the accord.

This might give the Corrupt Democratic Party permanent control.
With permanent control the Corrupt Democrats will be able ignore the laws and the constitution and nobody could stop them. What do you think will happen to America if the Democrats are undefeatable?

Ummmm news flash for those who skipped all their high school civics classes ---- the individual states all decide how their electors will be selected. They're not bound by any vote at all. The entire 'voting' charade is bread and circus.

Who says so? The Constitution. Prove me wrong.

Due to the fact that there has never been a national “popular vote” in this country, this will be struck down very easily. The democracy that you retards worship so much has never existed anywhere but state elections.

This is no more constitutional than gerrymandering in the most egregious way imaginable.

Checkmate Democrats.

 

[Blackrook]

When Republicans win the next popular vote, Democrats will have quite a fit when these blue states turn red.

 

[ptbw forever]

Connecticut To Give Its Electoral College Votes To National Popular Vote Victor

Connecticut voted to give its Electoral College Votes to the national popular vote victor. The state Senate voted 21-14 on Saturday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which includes 10 states and the District of Columbia. The state House passed the measure last week, 77 to 73. California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have already signed the accord.

This might give the Corrupt Democratic Party permanent control.
With permanent control the Corrupt Democrats will be able ignore the laws and the constitution and nobody could stop them. What do you think will happen to America if the Democrats are undefeatable?

Guess what else numbnutz. Those 11 states (including just-added Connecticut) in the actual 2016 election voted

160 EVs for Clinton, 0 for Rump.

Whereas if the Pop Vote Interstate Compact had been used, the EV would have been:

160 EVs for Clinton, 0 for Rump.

Now tell the class how this "permanent control" works, Dumbass.

Didn't stop to think this through didja.

It would work by an ever growing population in New York and California deciding the entirety of the fictional national popular vote in a multitude of ways.

 

[rightwinger]

There is nothing in the Constitution against it

 

[Crepitus]

Connecticut To Give Its Electoral College Votes To National Popular Vote Victor

Connecticut voted to give its Electoral College Votes to the national popular vote victor. The state Senate voted 21-14 on Saturday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which includes 10 states and the District of Columbia. The state House passed the measure last week, 77 to 73. California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have already signed the accord.

This might give the Corrupt Democratic Party permanent control.
With permanent control the Corrupt Democrats will be able ignore the laws and the constitution and nobody could stop them. What do you think will happen to America if the Democrats are undefeatable?

If this keeps up, Trump will have no path to defeat Hillary.

Don't worry, I'm sure Vladimir will be there to assist again.

Grow a brain cell, inbred.

Lol, it's ironically funny when a tRumpkin calls someone else dumb.

 

[Blackrook]

When the people of these states find out what their legistatures did, they will be fit to be tied.