10 vital inventions made in Russia

[Siberian]

Thanks for mentioning me here, but what was your point? That I despise the Russians because of economic hardships in Ukraine?

no, but you are an example of how superficially loyal Latinos and Blacks will want to cecede if economic crisis hits the US.

 

[ESay]

no, but you are an example of how superficially loyal Latinos and Blacks will want to cecede if economic crisis hits the US.

My personal example has little to do with that. Because I am equally disloyal both to Russia and a Ukrainian state.

 

[Siberian]

My personal example has little to do with that. Because I am equally disloyal both to Russia and a Ukrainian state.

it is a late consequence of Ukraine's independence, but I was talking about the moment of disintegration of empires.

Some Americans are trying to convince me that American nation is more united than ever and nobody wants to cecede..

 

[Otis Mayfield]

it is a late consequence of Ukraine's independence, but I was talking about the moment of disintegration of empires.

Some Americans are trying to convince me that American nation is more united than ever and nobody wants to cecede..

Communism will be remembered for killing lots of people.

Their own citizens. Mostly due to famine.

 

[ESay]

it is a late consequence of Ukraine's independence, but I was talking about the moment of disintegration of empires.

Some Americans are trying to convince me that American nation is more united than ever and nobody wants to cecede..

Yeah, and of course you living thousands miles away know better.

I don't know how real the claims of secession of one or another part are. But I think you are digging in a wrong direction as a whole. From my experience on this forum, I can draw a conclusion that the main breaking point is political division rather than an ethnic one (though I should admit that some people push this theme too).

The struggle between 'conservatives' and 'liberals' is what disunites the US the most. And the current two-party system, which was set up to balance political system, only aggravates this division.

Look at Texas as an example. The talks about its secession were caused not because of growing numbers of the Hispanic population there.

 

[westwall]

Yeah, and of course you living thousands miles away know better.

I don't know how real the claims of secession of one or another part are. But I think you are digging in a wrong direction as a whole. From my experience on this forum, I can draw a conclusion that the main breaking point is political division rather than an ethnic one (though I should admit that some people push this theme too).

The struggle between 'conservatives' and 'liberals' is what disunites the US the most. And the current two-party system, which was set up to balance political system, only aggravates this division.

Look at Texas as an example. The talks about its secession were caused not because of growing numbers of the Hispanic population there.

What most people don't understand is the US system was DESIGNED to be adversarial.

The Founders wrote often that when the two parties came together they would oppress the citizenry.

As we are witnessing right now.

 

[Siberian]

Yeah, and of course you living thousands miles away know better.

I don't know how real the claims of secession of one or another part are. But I think you are digging in a wrong direction as a whole. From my experience on this forum, I can draw a conclusion that the main breaking point is political division rather than an ethnic one (though I should admit that some people push this theme too).

The struggle between 'conservatives' and 'liberals' is what disunites the US the most. And the current two-party system, which was set up to balance political system, only aggravates this division.

Look at Texas as an example. The talks about its secession were caused not because of growing numbers of the Hispanic population there.

My wife was born in Lugansk, as well we still have relatives there. And I travel a lot, I used to visit Ukraine and talk to the people, before 2014..

Political division to conservatism/liberalism in the US very often coinside with racial lines.
At least voring for Democrats/Republucans.

Texas is another story, at least its past bid for independence. It was a game before, but it will not be as soon as Latinos become majority (or they have become already, a couple of years ago Whites were 52% if I am not mistaken).

 

[frigidweirdo]

There are a lot of clever people in Russia. Too bad they only seem interested in using their cleverness to fuck each other over.

And that's different to many other countries in the world, how?

 

[Siberian]

What most people don't understand is the US system was DESIGNED to be adversarial.

The Founders wrote often that when the two parties came together they would oppress the citizenry.

As we are witnessing right now.

the US system is a fake adversary.
It is an oligarchy which buys actors playing the role of predidents, congressmen etc.
Before Trump there had never been real difference between 2 parties and their agenda.
And immediately after real differences appeated you saw that your system is disfunctional, because the deep state was trying hard to remove the president which was chosen by the people.

Again, your system is baised on ability to brainwash people, before cycles of hope - "we, fools, elected this clown as a president, we're to blame, but hopefully we will elect a better one in a couple of years" - were providing quite a big stability, + in situation of economic prosperity people did not care much and did not revolt much...

now it is changing.
your system is anscient, disfunctional and generaly a joke.

-no direct election of presidents
- voting without presenting own documents - > frawd
- - no secret voting by mail, i. e. the government knows how you voted and can press you
- awful voters division, smaller number of voters regularly elects a president, like Trump for example
etc.

the US political sysytem is a joke. It did not matter until total brainwashing and manipulation worked, the real power was belonging to the same bankers wbateber the party ruled,
it does not now and you are falling apart...

 

[frigidweirdo]

Communism will be remembered for killing lots of people.

Their own citizens. Mostly due to famine.

Problem here is that a lot of this is either due to massive incompetence of the leader, or due to the leader just attacking their political opponents (or perceived political opponents).

Mao wasn't a Communist. He just hijacked the Communist Party and turned it into whatever he wanted, for example. Stalin killed loads, but not those who came after him.

The US has killed plenty of people too. Probably more than many of these leaders. But they claim to do so in the name of democracy and other such bullshit.

Look at the World Bank, taking away clean water from 1/4th of La Paz in Bolivia, what a bunch of cnuts.

 

[Siberian]

Communism will be remembered for killing lots of people.

Their own citizens. Mostly due to famine.

what else did you intend to demonstrate but that you are a brainwashed and ignorant idiot?
Stalin did not kill 23 mln, as well as Hitler in Russia alone killed 28 mln.

Your picture is a perfect example of American propaganda and its successful brainwashing of American people.

 

[Siberian]

Problem here is that a lot of this is either due to massive incompetence of the leader, or due to the leader just attacking their political opponents (or perceived political opponents).

Mao wasn't a Communist. He just hijacked the Communist Party and turned it into whatever he wanted, for example. Stalin killed loads, but not those who came after him.

The US has killed plenty of people too. Probably more than many of these leaders. But they claim to do so in the name of democracy and other such bullshit.

Look at the World Bank, taking away clean water from 1/4th of La Paz in Bolivia, what a bunch of cnuts.

let us not forget that the US is the only country which used nuclear weapons to purposedly kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

And it was not the first time of such intentional genocide, first it was Dresden, Tokyo etc..

The whole country of the USA is based on genocide of native Indians..

 

[frigidweirdo]

let us not forget that the US is the only country which used nuclear weapons to purposedly kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.

And it was not the first time of such intentional genocide, first it was Dresden..

The whole country of the USA is based on genocide of native Indians..

And the slavery of black people. The US is very good at doing the whole "Cowboys 'n' Injuns" routine.

The Cowboys are the "good guys" going around committing genocide and ethnic cleanings, while the "evil" Injuns are defending their home land from the invaders.

 

[Siberian]

And the slavery of black people. The US is very good at doing the whole "Cowboys 'n' Injuns" routine.

The Cowboys are the "good guys" going around committing genocide and ethnic cleanings, while the "evil" Injuns are defending their home land from the invaders.

and racial segregation and discrimination till 1960s.
till 1960!!!!!! when the US considered themselves as the leader of the Free World and a bastion of democracy!

the US is a bastion of hypocricy and double standards, as well of brainwashing.
and has nothing to do with democracy.
and as economy crumbles its inadequate and disfunctional political system will lead the country to revolution, civil war and disintegration.

 

[frigidweirdo]

and racial segregation and discrimination till 1960s.
till 1960!!!!!! when the US considered themselves as the leader of the Free World and a bastion of democracy!

the US is a bastion of hypocricy and double standards, as well of brainwashing.
and has nothing to do with democracy.
and as economy crumbles its inadequate and disfunctional political system will lead the country to revolution, civil war and disintegration.

Democracy when the system isn't democratic itself. Amazing.

 

[ESay]

My wife was born in Lugansk, as well we still have relatives there. And I travel a lot, I used to visit Ukraine and talk to the people, before 2014..

Political division to conservatism/liberalism in the US very often coinside with racial lines.
At least voring for Democrats/Republucans.

Texas is another story, at least its past bid for independence. It was a game before, but it will not be as soon as Latinos become majority (or they have become already, a couple of years ago Whites were 52% if I am not mistaken).

Don't quite understand what your wife and her relatives have to do with what is being discussed here.

Yes, ethnic groups in the US tend to vote for 'their' political party. But if you look at the last year's US elections, you will see that some Texas (as an example) predominantly Hispanic-populated former solid blue counties turned red.

 

[Siberian]

Yeah, and of course you living thousands miles away know better.

not only my wife was born in Ukraine and I still have relatives in Lugansk to check out how true my perception of situation in Ukraine is, but generally I tend to think I know Ukraine much better than you know Russia.
have you been to Russia in last 10 years or at all?

 

[Siberian]

Don't quite understand what your wife and her relatives have to do with what is being discussed here.

Yes, ethnic groups in the US tend to vote for 'their' political party. But if you look at the last year's US elections, you will see that some Texas (as an example) predominantly Hispanic-populated former solid blue counties turned red.

the process of divide in the US is still going on and there are may factors, including lgbt agenda which may push many Catholic Hispanic voters to conservatism, but as economic crises deepens incline of Hispanic voters to socialism will prevail over their incline to conservative family values.
Hispanic voters will either privatize Democratic party in next generation of politicians, very soon, after recent herontocratic elite steps down, or will establish own party.
If the US survives another presidential cycle, which I doubt very much.

I tend to think that recent or next US president will be the last one of the US in present boundaries.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Let's not forget Chernobyl and Gulags

Technically it's Ukraine, Chernobyl I mean, so how can you blackpaint your buddies? I heard you love them now for some reason.

 

[ESay]

not only my wife was born in Ukraine and I still have relatives in Lugansk to check out how true my perception of situation in Ukraine is, but generally I tend to think I know Ukraine much better than you know Russia.
have you been to Russia in last 10 years or at all?

Actually, when I said about 'thousands miles' I meant the US.

No, I haven't been there.