Post Any Evidence you are Aware of that Donald Trump Falsified Business Records to Conceal a Crime

[Seymour Flops]

"Staff members called Mr. Trump, like other favored stars who were off limits, an “F.O.P.” — “Friend of Pecker.”"

"David Pecker, who was the publisher of The National Enquirer, and had traded favors with Mr. Trump since the 1990s."

Pecker sounds like exactly the kind of unreliable and disreputable person no self respecting prosecutor would put on the stand.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The flip side of that coin is that he knew what type of slimeball his client was and figured he needed evidence in the event he needed to protect himself.

I wonder why he didn’t just resign as Trumps attorney to avoid all that then?

Just kidding, we know why.

The only reason it didn't work is that the DOJ won't indict a sitting President and by 2017 FPOTUS#45 was in office.

WW

So Cohen failed to get his own client prosecuted and that’s a bad thing?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

He was secretly recording his own client to have something to use against him.

You will defend any simeball as long as you think they can harm Trump.

Well, after all Trump only hires the best people for the job -- he and his children have said so.

And he was Trump's long time personal attorney.

 

[surada]

He was secretly recording his own client to have something to use against him.

You will defend any simeball as long as you think they can harm Trump.

Would you talk to Trump without a recording and two witnesses?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Would you talk to Trump without a recording and two witnesses?

What an ignorant question. Of course I would. Because I’m not a sniveling, sleazy professional liar like the prosecution’s star witness.

If I ever did feel the need to record a conversation with someone, I’d be a man and let them know.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Well, after all Trump only hires the best people for the job -- he and his children have said so.

And he was Trump's long time personal attorney.

You’re repeating yourself. You must be out of ideas of how to defend professional liars.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You’re repeating yourself. You must be out of ideas of how to defend professional liars.

Jurors Begin to Understand the ‘Trump Tower Conspiracy’​

 

[Seymour Flops]

The guy who gave the prosecution opening statement is a hired gun from the Biden/Garland DOJ.

Alvin Bragg prosecutor's connection to Biden raises MAGA alarms

Supporters of former President Donald Trump raised concerns about a prosecutor's former employment with the Department of Justice.

www.newsweek.com

They specifically raised concerns about Colangelo previously serving in Biden's Department of Justice (DOJ). According to a press release announcing his hiring in December 2022, Colangelo spent two years in a senior position at the DOJ, overseeing the Antitrust, Civil, Civil Rights, Environment and Natural Resources, and Tax divisions.

I wonder if Bragg is paying him as much as Flatback Fani paid her hired gun?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Pecker sounds like exactly the kind of unreliable and disreputable person no self respecting prosecutor would put on the stand.

But just the kind of person your orange mangod chooses as a friend.

 

[SavannahMann]

I said "near pathological" so don't lie about what I said.

Cohen was convicted of making a false statement to a bank, and he pled guilty to lying under oath to the Senate Inteligence Committee. Democrats in the House still used him as a fact witness. That says all that needs be said about Democrats' concern for the truth in going after Trump.

Normally, part of a plea bargain, is cooperation with any subsequent investigations. Often any evidence the individual has is turned over as part of the deal.

Tape of Trump 'discussing hush money payment to Playboy model' played at trial

A SECRET tape of Donald Trump allegedly talking about paying hush money to a Playboy Playmate was last night played at his trial in New York. The former President says: “So, what do we got to…

www.the-sun.com

Now. If this report is accurate, and I admit the possibility that it is not, then your demand for proof is satisfied.

It is Trump on Tape. It is Trump saying he was afraid the reports of his extramarital affairs would hurt him with women voters. It is Trump organizing the conspiracy to silence the people with the stories.

One of my often stated opinions of Hillary has been that she was always Clever. But she was also always short of Clever Enough to pull off her schemes.

It appears as though Trump suffers from that same problem. Not quite Clever enough to pull off his schemes.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Let's keep this thread clean, folks.

If you don't know of evidence that Donald Trump falsified business records to conceal a crime, move along to another thread.

Thanks.

New charges dropping in Gotham

 

[Seymour Flops]

Normally, part of a plea bargain, is cooperation with any subsequent investigations. Often any evidence the individual has is turned over as part of the deal.

Tape of Trump 'discussing hush money payment to Playboy model' played at trial

A SECRET tape of Donald Trump allegedly talking about paying hush money to a Playboy Playmate was last night played at his trial in New York. The former President says: “So, what do we got to…

www.the-sun.com

Now. If this report is accurate, and I admit the possibility that it is not, then your demand for proof is satisfied.

It is Trump on Tape. It is Trump saying he was afraid the reports of his extramarital affairs would hurt him with women voters. It is Trump organizing the conspiracy to silence the people with the stories.

No, I'm afraid you misunderstood the article you posted. The article also gets something wrong. From The Sun article:

On the tape, Mr Trump tells his former lawyer Michael Cohen that the money should be paid in cash.

I've heard the tape several times. It is difficult to make out. The part about cash is Trump asking Cohen if the money is to be paid in cash, not him telling Cohen it should be paid in cash. It makes sense, because most blackmailers like to be paid in untraceable cash. But since an NDA is perfectly legal, both Trump and the porn queen's lawyers knew that a bank transfer was the way to go.

Prosecutors claim this relates to the $150,000 paid to Karen McDougal weeks before the 2016 election to keep quiet about her affair with Mr Trump.

"Was paid." Not "was paid by Trump." Because Trump did not pay that money, Professional Liar David Pecker did. Trump never paid McDougal any money.

The court has heard that Mr Trump feared female voters would desert him if they learned about the relationship

This doesn't mean that Trump saying that was on the tape. Some previous witness must have said that. I know that Hope Hicks testified that Trump was most concerned about Melania finding out. She's a prosecution witness.

This is starting to go like the trial of George Zimmerman, in which the prosecution witness all gave evidence that helped Zimmerman's case.

with Ms McDougal, which happened in 2006 while his wife Melania was pregnant with their son Barron.

Trump is not charged with anything to do with McDougal. The payoff in question, about which Trump is accused of making or causing a false record was to the porn performer, not to the Playboy Playmate.

Trump did not pay ANY money to McDougal, so there was no way he falsified a business record to cover up an illegal campaign contribution in the transaction with McDougal. The prosecution is only bringing up McDougal because this is more of a smear campaign than a legit criminal prosecution.

One of my often stated opinions of Hillary has been that she was always Clever. But she was also always short of Clever Enough to pull off her schemes.

It appears as though Trump suffers from that same problem. Not quite Clever enough to pull off his schemes.

Henry Cuellar is finding out the same thing. Biden is also.

Politicians should realize that with such a large opposition, including congress with its subpoena powers, they need to either be extremely clever, or leave off the shenanigans.

 

[SavannahMann]

No, I'm afraid you misunderstood the article you posted. The article also gets something wrong. From The Sun article:

On the tape, Mr Trump tells his former lawyer Michael Cohen that the money should be paid in cash.

I've heard the tape several times. It is difficult to make out. The part about cash is Trump asking Cohen if the money is to be paid in cash, not him telling Cohen it should be paid in cash. It makes sense, because most blackmailers like to be paid in untraceable cash. But since an NDA is perfectly legal, both Trump and the porn queen's lawyers knew that a bank transfer was the way to go.

Prosecutors claim this relates to the $150,000 paid to Karen McDougal weeks before the 2016 election to keep quiet about her affair with Mr Trump.

"Was paid." Not "was paid by Trump." Because Trump did not pay that money, Professional Liar David Pecker did. Trump never paid McDougal any money.

The court has heard that Mr Trump feared female voters would desert him if they learned about the relationship

This doesn't mean that Trump saying that was on the tape. Some previous witness must have said that. I know that Hope Hicks testified that Trump was most concerned about Melania finding out. She's a prosecution witness.

This is starting to go like the trial of George Zimmerman, in which the prosecution witness all gave evidence that helped Zimmerman's case.

with Ms McDougal, which happened in 2006 while his wife Melania was pregnant with their son Barron.

Trump is not charged with anything to do with McDougal. The payoff in question, about which Trump is accused of making or causing a false record was to the porn performer, not to the Playboy Playmate.

Trump did not pay ANY money to McDougal, so there was no way he falsified a business record to cover up an illegal campaign contribution in the transaction with McDougal. The prosecution is only bringing up McDougal because this is more of a smear campaign than a legit criminal prosecution.

Henry Cuellar is finding out the same thing. Biden is also.

Politicians should realize that with such a large opposition, including congress with its subpoena powers, they need to either be extremely clever, or leave off the shenanigans.

Oh I understood that entirely. But what the DA just showed is a pattern of behavior. A ready response to the issue of women coming forward. If he was doing it once, he would do it again.

The recording supports the testimony of those who are saying Trump did it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The court has heard that Mr Trump feared female voters would desert him if they learned about the relationship

This doesn't mean that Trump saying that was on the tape. Some previous witness must have said that. I know that Hope Hicks testified that Trump was most concerned about Melania finding out. She's a prosecution witness.

You are injecting "most concerned", reporting at the time didn't say that. She said he was concerned about Melania finding out. Not "most concerned". Feel free to check the transcripts on that when they come out Monday.

But there was prior testimony that Trump was fine with the story coming out after the election (both for McDougal and Daniels). So why would he be concerned about Melania for the 11 (or so days) prior to the election but it would be find for the story to come out after the election?

Was it genuine feelings for Melania by the guy that boinked a porn star who he was cheating with mistress who was a Playboy Bunny while cheating on his 3rd wife. His 3rd wife BTW he cheated on while married to his 2nd wife. Oh, someone he cheated with (2nd wife) while married to his 1st wife.

So would this type of man be "most concerned" about Melania's feelings, or would history show he didn't give a rat fart about her feelings and the reason he was concerned about Melania finding out was because he she didn't do a "stand by your man" reaction to the press it would further look bad for the campaign?

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

Oh I understood that entirely. But what the DA just showed is a pattern of behavior. A ready response to the issue of women coming forward. If he was doing it once, he would do it again.

The recording supports the testimony of those who are saying Trump did it.

Trump did what exactly, though? This is what is so silly about this case.

You can show a "pattern of behavior" for anyone. We all have patterns of behavior. If none of those behaviors is a crime, the person can't be found guilty of anything.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You are injecting "most concerned", reporting at the time didn't say that. She said he was concerned about Melania finding out. Not "most concerned". Feel free to check the transcripts on that when they come out Monday.

I doubt I'll have time to check the transcript. You are free to post it here, and if I was wrong I'll admit it. The report I heard did not use the word "most." It said that she testified that Trump talked about his desire that Melania not find out about the possible story. The report I heard did not mention Trump saying anything about how he was willing to spend the money as a way to further his campaign.

When did he ever say that?

But there was prior testimony that Trump was fine with the story coming out after the election (both for McDougal and Daniels). So why would he be concerned about Melania for the 11 (or so days) prior to the election but it would be find for the story to come out after the election?

The prior testimony was carefully prepared by the prosecutors and delivered by people who are literally professional liars, so I'm not sure how much credibility to give that. I'm torn between "almost none," or "none."

Was it genuine feelings for Melania by the guy that boinked a porn star who he was cheating with mistress who was a Playboy Bunny while cheating on his 3rd wife. His 3rd wife BTW he cheated on while married to his 2nd wife. Oh, someone he cheated with (2nd wife) while married to his 1st wife.

I don't know that he did all that. We only have the word of professional gold-diggers, managed by people like Avanatti.

So would this type of man be "most concerned" about Melania's feelings, or would history show he didn't give a rat fart about her feelings and the reason he was concerned about Melania finding out was because he she didn't do a "stand by your man" reaction to the press it would further look bad for the campaign?

WW

That's one theory, but the idea of a legit criminal trial is to prove what happened, not speculate about what might have happened. Is Uri Geller on the witness list? They'll need a mind reader to prove that Trump thought of the money as a campaign contribution.

 

[SavannahMann]

Trump did what exactly, though? This is what is so silly about this case.

You can show a "pattern of behavior" for anyone. We all have patterns of behavior. If none of those behaviors is a crime, the person can't be found guilty of anything.

The claim that Trump wasn’t involved. As if it was merely Cohen doing it of his own volition. That is disproven.

The potential claim that Trump wasn’t doing this to affect the election. Disproven.

Shall I continue?

 

[Seymour Flops]

The claim that Trump wasn’t involved. As if it was merely Cohen doing it of his own volition. That is disproven.

The potential claim that Trump wasn’t doing this to affect the election. Disproven.

Shall I continue?

Well, now this is comical. If it is deliberate, well done.

I’ll try again: what is the “it” and the “this” that you’re referring to?

What exactly do you think Trump did? Stop insisting that Trump did it and tell me what it is that he did.