IDF begins evacuating civilians from eastern Rafah northward

[the watcher]

Once you figure out how the money trail works, it's possible to predict outcomes. We spend our at least 5 billion a year to Israel, the money to Ukraine is in the billions, and then siphoned back to US arms makers and campaign funds to keep the ball rolling. It has very little to do with the poor taxpayer, or US interests for that matter. It's all about retaining power (election campaigns and media support), and cracks in the foundation are starting to show. Foreign agent: “Judas” House Speaker Johnson received more than half a million dollars from pro-Israel PAC, FEC report reveals – NaturalNews.com

 

[Lisa558]

Netanyahu has been calling for other countries to work against the warrant and said that if one is issued over his genocidal war in Gaza, it would be an “unprecedented antisemitic hate crime.”

So now it's a crime to point out a crime?

~S~

It is when there is no crime, and antisemites lie and call it “genocide.” You know, like what you just did.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

They’re moving them to save their lives.

They are destroying their lives. To be pushed into tents as their homes are destroyed. Along with their hospitals. Schools. Universities. Houses of worship. Cemeteries. Roads. The this is not saving lives. Reducing Gaza to toxic cancer causing debris in a nearly non-existent healthcare system is not saving lives.

 

[Lisa558]

They are destroying their lives. To be pushed into tents as their homes are destroyed. Along with their hospitals. Schools. Universities. Houses of worship. Cemeteries. Roads. The this is not saving lives. Reducing Gaza to toxic cancer causing debris in a nearly non-existent healthcare system is not saving lives.

Sure, it’s saving lives. They’re LIVING. Not so the poor Jewish souls subjected to the most horrific savage torture imaginable.

This is all the fault of the HAMAS Muslim terrorists. Just let the hostages go and surrender!

 

[the watcher]

You can't get more any more than that. Bury My heart at wounded Jew.

 

[rylah]

You can't get more any more than that. Bury My heart at wounded Jew.

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Arab imperialists exploit the history of native peoples,

but cannot even pronounce the name of the place?

Of all the people in the Middle East...

 

[gipper]

Arab imperialists exploit the history of native peoples,

but cannot even pronounce the name of the place?

Of all the people in the Middle East...

How could anyone support this?

 

[TNHarley]

94% don’t believe Hamas commited those atrocities Lisa.

They admitted to it

Hamas says October 7 attacks 'necessary step' but admits to 'faults'

The Palestinian group issued a public report explaining its motivations for the October 7 and calling for an 'immediate halt of the Israeli aggression.' Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he rejected the conditions demanded for the release of hostages.

www.lemonde.fr

People are fucking stupid.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

Sure, it’s saving lives. They’re LIVING. Not so the poor Jewish souls subjected to the most horrific savage torture imaginable.

This is all the fault of the HAMAS Muslim terrorists. Just let the hostages go and surrender!

Intentionally destroying a healthcare system is not saving lives.

 

[rylah]

How could anyone support this?

Arab imperialism has consequences?

No way...

 

[toomuchtime_]

They’re moving them to save their lives.

More than that, International Humanitarian Law requires Israel warn civilians to evacuate before an attack, but the warning is no good unless there is some place to which they can go.

 

[Coyote]

They admitted to it

Hamas says October 7 attacks 'necessary step' but admits to 'faults'

The Palestinian group issued a public report explaining its motivations for the October 7 and calling for an 'immediate halt of the Israeli aggression.' Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he rejected the conditions demanded for the release of hostages.

www.lemonde.fr

People are fucking stupid.

Yes. You are. You completely missed the point.

The vast majority of Palestinians do not believe Hamas committed the atrocities, not the attack itself. Hamas denies they atrocities, of course, and denies targeting civilians (a pretty blatent lie). If the Palestinians don’t believe Hamas did it then how can you say they supported those barbaric acts? They support violent resistance against Israel, which doesn’t help their cause.

Hamas denies it slaughtered 'children, women and elderly people' on Oct. 7

"Avoiding harm to civilians is a religious and moral commitment by all the Al-Qassam Brigades’ fighters," Hamas said in a statement

nationalpost.com

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yes. You are. You completely missed the point.

The vast majority of Palestinians do not believe Hamas committed the atrocities, not the attack itself. Hamas denies they atrocities, of course, and denies targeting civilians (a pretty blatent lie). If the Palestinians don’t believe Hamas did it then how can you say they supported those barbaric acts? They support violent resistance against Israel, which doesn’t help their cause.

Hamas denies it slaughtered 'children, women and elderly people' on Oct. 7

"Avoiding harm to civilians is a religious and moral commitment by all the Al-Qassam Brigades’ fighters," Hamas said in a statement

nationalpost.com

There is clear evidence that the vast majority of Palestinians support the Oct 7 attacks, but there is no evidence the vast majority of Palestinians don't believe the facts of what Hamas did. For the last 100 years the Palestinian terrorists have never made a distinction between killing soldiers and killing women, children and the elderly, so there is no rational basis for thinking they balked at the atrocities committed by Hamas on Oct 7. They are not victims; they are failed aggressors who want sympathy because they were not able to kill all the Jews.

 

[Shusha]

...Hamas denies they atrocities, of course, and denies targeting civilians (a pretty blatent lie). If the Palestinians don’t believe Hamas did it ...

How blatant is the lie in the eyes of Palestinians, do you think? Would it change any outcome of the future if Palestinians were aware of the atrocities?

 

[Coyote]

There is clear evidence that the vast majority of Palestinians support the Oct 7 attacks, but there is no evidence the vast majority of Palestinians don't believe the facts of what Hamas did. For the last 100 years the Palestinian terrorists have never made a distinction between killing soldiers and killing women, children and the elderly, so there is no rational basis for thinking they balked at the atrocities committed by Hamas on Oct 7. They are not victims; they are failed aggressors who want sympathy because they were not able to kill all the Jews.

The claims that the majority of Palestinians supported the Oct 7 attack come from polls. The same polls also note that they do not believe Hamas actually commited those atrocities.

That is factual. If you are using a poll to make your case against an entire people, don’t cherry pick.

 

[Coyote]

How blatant is the lie in the eyes of Palestinians, do you think? Would it change any outcome of the future if Palestinians were aware of the atrocities?

It is hard to answer in part because so little real information about Israel gets reported in Gaza (and Vice vers). A lot of conspiracy theories get believed.

Your second question is also hard to answer, but the poll noted when they showed videos to some of the Palestinians, of what Hamas did, they no longer supported Hamas’ attack.

 

[Coyote]

And my point to you is that Hamas must die... and to the Devil with the consequences...

And that is how genocide gets justified,

 

[Shusha]

It is hard to answer in part because so little real information about Israel gets reported in Gaza (and Vice vers). A lot of conspiracy theories get believed.

Your second question is also hard to answer, but the poll noted when they showed videos to some of the Palestinians, of what Hamas did, they no longer supported Hamas’ attack.

I am struggling to believe that the general population of Palestinians in Gaza is this ignorant, and that Hamas is that "underground" (pun intended).

So, let's just assume that a significant portion of the population of Gaza is fully aware of the invasion into Israel, but believed that Hamas was only targeting military objectives and no civilians were harmed (except, perhaps, incidently). And let's further assume that "resistance by any means necessary" actually means, in the eyes of that significant portion of the population of Gaza, only targeting military objectives. Do you think that the people of Gaza would do something differently if they knew the truth? And if so, what?

 

[Shusha]

And that is how genocide gets justified,

There is a real difference between: Hamas must be eliminated even though there are known and unfortunate consequences in pursuing that just goal.

and: An entire people must be eliminated by the nature of their just being.

Acknowledging the consequences of war is not the same as intentional genocide.

 

[Coyote]

I am struggling to believe that the general population of Palestinians in Gaza is this ignorant, and that Hamas is that "underground" (pun intended).

Good pun!

But, as an aside, it isn’t hard that for a population to be ”ignorant”, particularly when information is controlled or selectively reported on. People also have a tendency to belief what fits their own confirmation bias’. So if Hamas claims it was Israel who committed those atrocities, not Hamas, the Gazans, who dislike Israel, are more likely to believe it. It is how conspiracy theories take root and persist. The fact that so much “news” also comes in via social media (and we all know how “accurate” that can be) further distorts it, and this is a widespread problem. The result is neither side really knows much about the other and neither side is getting information to counter what they hear.

Interesting interview here:

So, let's just assume that a significant portion of the population of Gaza is fully aware of the invasion into Israel, but believed that Hamas was only targeting military objectives and no civilians were harmed (except, perhaps, incidently). And let's further assume that "resistance by any means necessary" actually means, in the eyes of that significant portion of the population of Gaza, only targeting military objectives. Do you think that the people of Gaza would do something differently if they knew the truth? And if so, what?

I don’t know simply because the situation now is so chaotic it would be impossible to do anything differently until the dust settles and no one has any idea of what it will look like. Knowing the truth now, in the face of a much larger devastation would be like a drop of water in an ocean. It is no longer relevant to the conflict.

I do not think knowing Hamas targeted civilians would change anything, because as far as they are concerned there is no real difference between civilians and non-civilians in Israel. I think, however, seeing the body of a little child, butchered, would. It becomes a person, not an abstract concept or statistic. The atrocities commitTed on innocent people on Oct 7 were far greater than “targeting civilians” and when the Palestinians saw those videos, it clearly affected them.